Using a Netapp and NFS
I did some searches and in the past it sounded like the use of NFS wasn't recommended. Has this stance changed in the latest releases of the Sun Messaging Server?
The reason I ask is because I currently rely on NFS with our current email system to distribute our load to a number of frontend mail servers. We have around 130,000 accounts and recieve anywhere from 1 to 2 million messages per day.
Thanks
While we do not normally recommend the use of Network Attached Storage, via NFS for mail store use, there are specific products that have been tested, and found to work.
Network Appliance is one vendor we have tested.
We do continue to find problems, however, and we are working on those. Deleting a mail folder currently causes problem.
Please note:
1. Network attached storage WILL impact your performance. It fights for bandwidth with incoming/outbound mail.
2. This will ONLY be supported with current JES2005q4 product. It will NOT be backported to 5.2.
Personally, I would not touch NFS for mail stores with a 10 foot pole. SAN is a totally different thing, though, and fully supported for all versions. It's not NFS.
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As u told
>>>><i>that the client's system is across ur network and the client is not ready to send u the file. At that time u have to use FTP.</i>
This is ok.
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