Using FCE then FCP?

If I edit using Final Cut Express HD, can I then open my edit with Final Cut Pro 3 and colour correct/grade?
Thanks
Matt

Hivetyrant36 wrote:
exported a movie from final cut express up at school and put It on my flash drive. I got home and tried to copy it to my mac and it said insuficient privelages. Then ejects the drive.
The computer at school has a different user than the one you have at home. You have to change the privileges on the flash drive.
When you insert the drive, right click it and select "get info"
See what privs are listed on the bottom of the window.
Now do the same thing for your main HD.
Compare them and you will see the differences.

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Using FCE files with FCP?

Hello - does anyone know if I can open FC Express files in FC Pro, and vice versa (with appropriate "save as")? I'm not an experienced user of these programs, but I think I will be soon. My collaborator on a video project uses Final Cut Pro, but I want to be able to make some edits, and can only afford (and probably only need) Express. Will we be able to exchange files in any way?
iMac G5 2.1 ghz Mac OS X (10.4.1)

In most cases FCE will not open an FCP project, unless the project is very simple. FCP will open an FCE project, if the version is new enough. It depends which versions of FCE and FCP you're working with. Once the FCE project is opened in FCP and updated it will most likely no longer open in FCE.

Backing up unedited family video: Should I capture using FCE or iMovie?

I have >50 hours of family video (kids) that I'm not ready to edit yet. I would like to capture the footage in order to back it up because it is priceless. My plan is to buy some large hard disks and save video there, and then when Blu-Ray comes out, I'll buy a Blu-Ray drive and burn Blu-Ray disks as an additional layer of safety.
The captured files will need to be in a format that lasts. As far as I can tell, both FCE and iMovie save captured clips as Quicktime files, which I'm guessing will be around for a while and compatible with future video editing apps. Both FCE and iMovie can import Quicktime clips. I'll be importing the entire hour of video from each tape, in a single capture.
My question is this:
If...
(a) rendering doesn't bother me (like importing clips using iMovie then editing using FCE)
(b) timecode isn't important to me (iMovie doesn't save timecode)
... is there any reason to capture the video using Final Cut instead of iMovie?
The only feature that FCE has that iMovie doesn't, is the ability to detect dropped frames during capture. Are there other reasons?
I like the fact that iMovie splits the capture into individual clips at each break and saves each clip as an individual file. If you're willing to do the work, FCE/FCP can do this to, using DV Start/Stop detect, making the segments into subclips, then exporting them as individual clips. FCP makes this a practical possibility using batch export, whereas FCE lacks that feature and exporting each clip one by one is impractical (I have maybe 200 individual clips per hour of tape). But this is a task I plan for later. Right now my concern is finding the "best way" to capture and save all this video for later editing.
I guess I could also ask, should timecode be important to me? My tapes contain a lot of timecode breaks, so recapturing video from tape automatically isn't likely to work well. I don't know any other reason timecode might be important for consumer-level family video.
PowerMac G5 Quad 2.5 GHz 3GB RAM Mac OS X (10.4.7) NVIDIA GeForce 7800GT

Anthony,
while I fully agree with Al answer, let me add one note in favor of iMovie in answering your original specific question (note: I'm a quite happy user of FCE for all its advantages over iMovie, but for the point I'm going to make).
The basic difference between FCE and iMovie in scene detection (based on the same principle of using date/time breaks as dividers), is that iMovie creates as many media files as clips during capture itself, while FCE Subclips are created AFTER the capture of a unique media file, using DV Start/Stop Detect and Make Subclip, that does NOT splits files.
So you'd better consider now if recovering unused disk space, by trashing unused clips, will be a major issue for you in the future, when you'll be editing your movies. If so, keep in mind that this job is very simple if you captured with iMovie and then imported its clips to FCE (and if you confirm you don't mind about TC and audio rendering), while it is quite complex if you captured directly with FCE, and, I'd say, not recommended unless absolutely needed.
Piero

FCE or FCP?

Hello all,
I'm a complete newbie when it comes to video editing so I wonder why I went and purchased a Canon HV-20 (it's still in the box in case I need/want to return it! LOL)... and an associate at Best Buy told me all I'd need is iMovie HD.
However, there's a class available at a local community college that teaches Final Cut Pro and how to use a camera, etc.
So, I'm thinking about taking the class, but afraid I may be over my head...
I've heard that FCE is very much like FCP so I'm wondering that if I take the class, will I be able to come back on here and use FCE?
Also, it seems an advantage of FCP over FCE is that FCP works with "native" HD while FCE works with AIC (whatever that is!) LOL I read in another forum that native HD will be edited faster than something with AIC? Or is there another advantage of working with native HD over AIC?
Any tips on whether or not I should attempt FCE or FCP or just stick with iMovie HD..would be greatly appreciated.
As I said, I'm quite a newbie and I don't mind reading a manual... I just don't want to get lost within Chapter 1!
Thanks for any help/advice!

Far be it from me to disagree with my fellow Brit Ian, (Eh up, si thi...) I believe you have 2 options.
1) Learn iMovie on your own - As Ian says it's free and an excellent program for one who's new to video editing with a learning curve that's not as steep as FCP/FCE. You could then move up later.
The problem with that is that a complete newbie, you have to learn this on your own (unless you are also privy to iMovie classes) and I believe that it's easier to
2) learn the whole camera/FCP with tuition, than option 1.
My judgement is coloured by the fact that this is how I learned FCP, albeit on a full-time college degree course and I found it the best way but, of course, it's horses for courses. (Incidentally, I also learned iMovie concurrently, but soon decided to focus more on FCP.)
Your decision will be shaped by your requirements - How serious do you anticipate your interest being?
Do you prefer and find it more suitable for you to learn on your own or do you prefer the first hand help of tuition?
Are you prepared to make the additional investment to step up to FCE.
My advice - take the course - get FCE - then upgrade to FCP if and when necessary.

Motion 2 and FCE vs FCP

I've been using FCE for a while to do some fairly simple single camera editing and using LiveType to do opening and closing graphics for sequences. Now I've decided to move on up to Motion 2.
What do I loose by using FCE rather than FCP with regards to Motion integration?

You can't "round trip" with FCE. In FCP you can ctrl-click on a section of your timeline and "send to Motion..." which will pack up the media and send it to a Motion project and crank up Motion to edit it. Then later you can ctrl-click on a Motion clip and select open in Editor... and make changes to it.
With FCE, you can bring in a .motn project and use it in your timeline, but you'll have to create/edit it outside of FCE.
Patrick

Upgrade FCE to FCP Apple Prores etc

Hi,
I just purchased my first mac a few weeks ago. I was deciding between purchasing FCE and FCP, and ended up buying FCE. None of the specs I read mentioned the 1440x1080 resolution limit on importing AVCHD, nor did I read anywhere that the import codec was limited to a heavily compressed AIC codec rather than ProRes.
I've only had FCE since July 1. Now that I realize that issue, I want to upgrade to FCP, but called an apple store in the area and they said there is no upgrade path from FCE 4 to FC Studio. Is there any way I can do this? I really like the software, but these limitations were not mentioned. It said AVCHD support and when I read about that further, there was no mention of the bad compression and resolution limits. The footage looks about as good as 720x480 DV.
Is there any way that I could upgrade my FCE 4 to FC Studio and make use of the ProRes codec and I hope full 1920x1080 resolution?
Thanks in advance!
Adnan Hussain

Adnan,
I am very interested in your post as a new user of FCE and a AVCHD camera user for awhile now. Can you tell us what your camera records in? Is is 1920 x 1080 i60, something else? Also what is the output you wish to use...SD DVD, Blu-ray DVD, Apple TV or internet.
My experience has been that with AVCHD, and most other formats I suspect, some loss of quality is to be expected during the editing process. Comparing clips from the camera to clips that have been imported to editing software and then exported to some other format is not an apple to apples comparison. ( no pun intended ). How the clips are imported and in particular how they are exported have a huge impact on the final result. The Pro res codec in FCP may offer some higher quality output, but at a much higher price and depending on what you want to view this on......it may not matter. So bottom line, as Ian has responded, in your case switching to FCP may not help.
One final question is how have you tried to export the movie, what was the work flow you used? There might be some settings that you can change to get closer to the results you desire.

Using FCE with 7500 iMovie DV Stream files: best approaches?

I have about 50 hours of irreplaceable DV footage, of the first 5+ years of my children's lives. I saved all this footage to hard disk over these past 5 years using whatever the latest version of iMovie was at the time, so I have around 7500 DV stream clips created in iMovie 2, 3, 4, and HD. There has been no editing, no titles, no transitions. Just 50 untouched iMovie projects sitting for years on several FireWire disks.
First question: Which format of digital video is currently more universally compatible and accessible by software: DV Stream (like iMovie uses) or DV-NTSC (like FCE uses)? I'd like my unedited video to be stored in a format that has a decent chance of being around for a while. (Which format is the Betamax, and which is VHS?)
Anyway, the time has finally come to start editing this monumental volume of material. I want to leave iMovie, and learn to use FCE because iMovie is still buggy, FCE is more powerful, and -- here are the key words -- because FCE has 'RT Extreme" and "seamless iMovie import."
The challenge, and the reason I need your advice, is now how to bring these 7500 iMovie DV stream files into FCE, in such a way so RT Extreme really works when editing these clips and the transition to FCE is really "seamless." Seamlessness is not the feeling I get when I've read several threads in this forum that address sticky problems arising when trying to work on iMovie projects using FCE.
My hope was I could avoid such problems by somehow "importing" each iMovie DV stream clip into FCE and "converting" them to FCE's DV-NTSC format. Then my intention was to save the new DV-NTSC clips to disk and delete the iMovie clips, so I could then work entirely in FCE without any difficulty. IMO, this would be "seamless." As I'm reading through this forum I'm getting the sinking feeling that this is not possible.
So, QUESTION 2: How best to proceed, when I have 50 iMovie projects, saved using iMovie 2, 3, 4, and HD, with around a total of 7500 DV Stream clips, so as to avoid glitches and delays in the transition, and to preserve features of FCE such as RT Extreme?
If there are no good options, I suppose one possibility is to re-capture all the video from the original camcorder tapes again, using FCE instead of iMovie. This would be worthwhile especially if the answer to my first question is DV-NTSC. What do you think?
Besides having to spend 50 hours re-capturing all the video I have on tape, there are other potential difficulties with this. First off, at least one of my original tapes has been "eaten" by my Canon camcorder when the rewind mechanism failed and I only have the DV stream data for that tape. Maybe I could record the affected clips back to tape, then capture them into FCE? Is this a plausible solution?
Second, these tapes have been sitting around for more than 5 years, without exercising them or doing anything special to keep the data in good shape. What if some of the tapes have drop-outs or other problems? I'd have to go back to my DV Stream data, and I'm back in the same boat.
I would appreciate any advice/feedback you can offer.

Tom,
Thanks a lot for your valuable reply.
You wrote, "If the project does not import, you'll need to crack open the iMovie project, extract the clips from inside the project folder or package, and import them into FCE."
This may be a basic operation, but as I don't yet have any working knowledge of FCE, how do you import these clips once you've found them in the package? And if you do that, is a copy made of those clips, or does FCE just remember where they are? If copies are made, are they still in DV Stream format or DV-NTSC/QT?
For the clip that's been eaten, can I export that clip (using iMovie) to a new DV tape in my camcorder, then import that DV into FCE? If so, would that material then have clip timecode embedded in the QT file, or not? Is that a bad idea for any reason?
You mentioned some setups with the Canon cameras have been problematic. I have a Canon GL2. I doubt anyone outside of Apple knows yet if it will be a problem with my setup: a PowerMac G5 Quad, with FCE pre-installed. I don't think the Quads have shipped yet.
Thanks again, and I look forward to your reply to these questions.
BTW, have you written a book on FCE HD? I didn't see one on Amazon.

Is FCE or FCP the one for me?

Hi,
I'm new to the video editing world, and my main reason for getting into it at all is to prepare DVD demo reels of my film score work. All of my source material is QT movies.
I recently assembled just such a reel using iMovie. Got quite the education in basic techniques of assembling footage, adding titles, transitions, etc. But I also quickly realized that I'm going to need a more "pro" program to do this kind of work more quickly and efficiently (also, once in iMovie, the picture quality went into the toilet for some reason). So I'm considering some version or other of FC.
I'm a music composer first and foremost, and aside from the need to generate promotional materials like my demo reel, I can't make it my life's work to learn a whole new skill. But I do know I need a better tool to dot he job. So I'm looking for advice on what the best program would be for me: FCE or FCP.
I'm going to assume (hopefully correctly) that anything I can do in iMovie can be done in some version of FC. So here's a list of what I'd be looking to achieve from FC. Which is best for me, and, are these things possible?
1. when clips are imported that the picture quality remains identical to the source
2. ability to mix QT clips at different frame rates (24 fps and 29.97)
3. have multiple tracks of video and audio
4. ability to add video clips and lock them to the timeline so that their placement is more or less permanent (unless I decide later to "unlock" them) and, that their position won't be moved or "rippled" when I edit other clips
5. ability to maintain permanent lock between video and audio extracted from the video file (iMovie isn't predictable in this aspect)
6. ability to edit audio with a high degree of precision (see proper waveform displays, maybe even a tempo grid?)
Thanks to anyone who can share their thoughts.
-=iS=-

Hi Ian,
That link was very helpful. Just one more question... from my original post, "when clips are imported [into the program] that the picture quality remains identical to the source", what feature of FC would indicate that characteristic?
(To be more specific, all of my various footage is the output of various well-known animation houses, and is all top notch in appearance even in QT format. But when those QT's are imported into iMovie the appearance becomes grainy, backgrounds become splotchy and pixelated, and edges become aliased...)
Cheers!
-=iS=-

Upgrading from FCE to FCP

Is there any way to upgrade from FCE to FC studio or do I have to buy the whole studio suite?
Im running Final Cut Express 2 btw.
-Mads Meskalin

Hi
No as Ian R. Brown writes there are non. But sell Your FCE then You get something.
Why FCP ?
There are most probably many individual reasons. Mine was
• Ability to share a project with others haveing FCP
• The Multi Camera editing is avesome - but only if You got more than one Camera recordings.
• Color corrector - three ways with - white, black and mid tone drop tools
I really like this one.
Then there are so much more in the bundle
• DVD Studio Pro WITH HD
• Motion
• Color
• Soundtravk Pro
• Compressor
So much new to learn - AND STILL SO Familiar miljoe.
Yours Bengt W

Problem exporting using Compressor in FCP?

I had a problem exporting using Compressor in FCP and then I found an interesting article from Apple:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1099
but it doesn't really explain the solution. What steps do I need to take exactly in Compressor to make it work?

James M. has it right. Convert the MP3 and the WAV files to AIFF, 48khz, 16 bit and use those in your Sequence. You might even have to convert the existing AIFF file(s) if they aren't 48khz, 16 bit.
Once you've edited the new files into your Sequence, do an Audio Mixdown, then export.
-DH

Film Editors, help! FCE/HDV/FCP transfer issues.

I am using FCE 3.51. I want to edit HDV footage, digitized on a system with FCP 6.03. My computer plays the audio on the .mov files but I cannot view the video, there is no video. Can my FCE digitize HDV footage off a SONY HVR-7Z1U?
I hope I worded this correctly. If you have any ideas, I'd really appreciate it.
Thank you!

FCP captures HDV in the native codec rewrapped as QuickTime. That Apple HDV codec is not available in FCE. Express captures HDV by transcoding it to the Apple Intermediate Codec.

Maximum clip speed in FCE and FCP?

I'm currently using iMovie '09, which allows a clip speed increase of up to 2000% (two thousand percent). I'm considering purchasing FCE or FCP but before I do, I'm hoping someone can tell me the maximum clip speed increase. Just FYI, In iMovie '09, the slider stops at 800%, but a value of 2000% can be manually entered. Thanks for any insight.
Jon

JonVdG wrote:
Thanks Al. Just to clarify, that was FC Express (not Pro)?
Yes, Express 4.0.1
Al

FCE to FCP project transition

Basically, just looking at transferring all data from my vidcam's HDD using FCE and later wanting to use FCP to edit. this should be peice of cake right?
The only reason i'm concerned is earlier i started a project in FCP and finished in FCE and it WASN'T that pretty. all my cuts became one massive cut on the timeline :S
thanks for any help!

well thanks for all your responses.. kind of a long story what i have going on.
right now all im running is a 2 year old macbook with 4GB ram. i'm purchasing a iMac i7 in the next week or two. in the meantime however, i have my canon hg20 that has a bunch of footage that needs to be transferred as there is an important project coming up immediately. so my dilemma is that i don't currently own a machine to do a transfer via final cut pro (i need dedicated video card)..... :S

Wanting to run FCE or FCP on iMac 2.4ghz CD2 with 4gig RAM. Enough Power??

Considering what used Mac to buy to run FCE or FCP.
Had considered a Power Mac G5 with 2+ghz dual processors and 2G+ of RAM.
Thinking maybe an iMac with Intel and equivalent power would be better (because of the Intel rather than PowerPC)
Thoughts?
Advice?
Thanks

Al and Martin,
Thanks for your responses. I bought a 2002 Quicksilver, not knowing what I was looking for, and the harddrive crashed immediately (message from God?). I was going to upgrade to a nice G5 but now I think there is no point and am trying to get something with an Intel. At this point, the budget has been reduced to 500 or less. I know there are some iMacs out there for less I just have to find the right one...
I'd like Dual 2hz with at least 2G of RAM. You think 2G is enough? I'll mainly be editing simple projects like DOCS and short narratives. No special effects, etc

Long FCP user considering FCE or FCP on mackbook pro

I've been using FCP on my PowerMacs for years, since version 3. Right now I'm still using FCP 5.1 on my Quad PowerMac G5. I work in broadcast cable and but use my own computer for freelance gigs or personal projects.
I want to buy a new MacBook Pro, and am considering installing the Pro version or having FCE pre-installed.
Is there a side-by-side list of what FCE can't do and FCP can? I consider myself an advanced user of FCP and would be annoyed if I needed to do something on my laptop that FCE just can't do.
Also does anyone know, if I have Apple CAre and FCE is pre-installed and, say, the hard drive dies and must be replaced, they replace it with FCE pre-installed again at no charge? And will Apple Care try to resolve bugs/errors if FCE is pre-installed?

While I agree with Ian, I'd like to mention a couple of features that I expect FCP pro users might miss in FCE: +Media Manager+ and +Log and Capture+ (about other missing features: Render Manager, probably you can do without, source timecode display, time remap, etc. there are some plugins filling the hole..., etc.). Personally I can easily live without them... but I'm not a pro.
Another point: while you can easily migrate a project from FCE to FCP, you cannot do the reverse: you cannot edit an FCP project in FCE. So having FCP on one Mac and FCE on the other doesn't allow you to switch a project back and forth between Macs.
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