Using/updating bootable clone and Lion.

I have Snow Leopard on the default internal startup drive and Lion on an external bootable FireWire drive. This seems to work as it's meant to work. I'm using Snow Leopard to 'do things'. I put Lion on a SuperDuper! clone to try it out. The thing is the clone is gradually getting out of date. Can I update the clone without erasing and wiping Lion? Or is erasing compulsory, followed by a new install of Lion? I did rescue the install file after downloading but before installing - 10.7.1 I think. I have just put 10.7.2 on the clone.

I have Snow Leopard on the default internal startup drive and Lion on an external bootable FireWire drive. This seems to work as it's meant to work. I'm using Snow Leopard to 'do things'. I put Lion on a SuperDuper! clone to try it out.
That's what I am doing as well. All my up-to-date "real work" is on the Snow Leopard volume.
It sounds as if you are referring to updating the user data on the Lion clone so that it corresponds to the more up-to-date user data on the Snow Leopard volume, correct?
I think that wiping the external Lion volume, re-cloning from the up-to-date SL volume, and then reinstalling Lion and any Lion-specific apps onto the external drive is probably the only certain way to bring all your stuff on the Lion clone up to date. Just copying the contents of your user subfolders directly would probably work for most application data, but some data such as Mail, address book, application support files, etc are kept in the user Library and their formats might differ between systems.
Another method that might work, and would take less time than completely wiping the Lion volume would be to boot from the Lion clone, create a new admin user there, log out of your regular account and into the new one, then delete your regular user account(s) including the Home folder(s). You would then use Lion's Migration Assistant to re-migrate the up-to-date user account(s) on the Snow Leopard volume back to the Lion volume.
If this doesn't work, you could always go back to the first plan (wipe the Lion volume, re-clone, and then re-install and re-update Lion and any Lion-specific apps)

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How do I make a bootable clone (with Lion already installed on my Mac)?

Hi all, I'm hoping someone can help clarify with a step-by-step on this. Here's the deal: I have a 2008 MacBook Pro, which I updated from Snow Leopard to Lion via the App Store. I have decided to upgrade my internal hard drive (which I've done before) from a 500GB to 750GB, but after doing a couple hours of research, the whole Lion element is making me nervous.
I've been reading about the whole Lion Recovery partition, which won't be brought over with a simple cloning process (via SuperDuper! or the like) and I'm now thoroughly confused with how to do this the proper way. I don't know if I need to use the Recovery Disk Assistant app on the new 750GB hard drive, or on a separate (third) drive, or to make a bootable Lion install disk on either, or even if I do do these things, how this meshes on the new drive, and do I need to format the new drive with two partitions for the Recovery partition to be a part of it?... Oy.
I'd really be appreciative if someone with the know-how of this process could help with the steps. It doesn't need to be crazy thorough--as I said, I've at least replaced my drive before--but I'm not an expert by any stretch (as a point of reference: bring up Terminal and my eyes will roll back in my head). I just need to know what to do in what order, with at least a little detail. And if it means anything to you, I'm the type of guy who likes to know WHY I'm doing something, if possible... Thanks in advance for your time and help.
(I've already got the new 750GB drive in hand, an external enclosure and a separate 8GB+ drive, too.)

You can use 3rd party software such as Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper! to create a bootable clone on an external drive.
I use SuperDuper to create a clone. Yes, it's true the Recovery HD will need to be recreated after restoring a clone because neither of these softwares nor Time Machine backup that partition. It's really no big deal. You just reinstall Lion on top of itself after the restore and reapply any Software Updates including the 10.7.1 update. I've done this a few times with no issues.
The Lion Recovery Assistant app creates an external Recovery HD on like a USB thumb drive, but it creates this using the Recovery HD from your Lion install. If the Recovery HD is missing, the app will not create one for you.
EDITED:
Create your bootable clone on an external drive.
Create an external USB thumb drive with the Recovery HD using the Lion Recovery Assistant.
Swap out hard drives.
Boot from the USB Recovery HD thumb drive.
Use Disk Utilities to create a new partition (Macintosh HD), format it with the GUID partition table and Mac OS Extended (Journaled).
While in Disk Utilities, click your hard drive (not the new partition); then click the Restore button.
The Source of your restore is the external clone you created. The Destination is the newly created Macintosh HD partition.
Click the Restore button. The restore will take awhile depending on the size of the clone.
After the restore, boot your system and it should boot into Lion.
Reinstall Lion on top of itself to recreate the Recovery HD at the end of your Lion partition.
Reapply Software Updates including the 10.7.1 update (if you want it).
Hope this helps!

How can we disassociate an Apple ID from a set of computers formated from a single computer using Carbon Copy Cloner and a single image and then Migration Assistant to install their old profile? The original ID is the Apple ID for all the stores.

Here is a bit more detail.
We were replacing old teacher machines and wanted to do it as efficiently as possible. Therefore, we set up one computer, through the OS installation and ran all updates, and then made a disk image so that we can use Carbon Copy Cloner to image all the other computers without having to run all the other updates. Once they were set up to a base level and assigned to a teacher we used Migration Assistant to import all their old files and items. Everything has been fine until recently the computers became aware of needing an update for one or two apps. The machine asks for the original computer's Apple ID for all updates. We have logged out of the apple id and back in with another to test if running the updates will work with that Apple ID and even after a refresh it still asks for the other Apple ID. How can we disassociate the Apple ID from those other computers so that the individual who owns the original is not needed each time there is an update or has to give out their Apple ID password?

There are two parts to this:
1) It may be that you should have an Apple Education Support person helping you with this. If you have enough computers for this to be a problem, you may benefit from a Server, a site license, and an occasional visit from an Education Support Specialist.
2) The brief answer, if you want Individual Apple_IDs to control each computer, is to buy new copies of Mac OS X under those new Apple_IDs and re-download and re-Install. Mac OS X is customized to the Apple_ID before it is downloaded.

Using VMware 3.13 and Lion.

Never had a problem with VMware 2 or 3.13 and Windows XP but since upgrading to Lion XP does not recognise the optical disc drive

I'd suggest asking for assistance in the VMWare Fusion forum:
VMware Communities: VMware Fusion® (for Mac)
You'll be more likely to get quick assistance there.
Regards.

Is a bootable clone necessary before upgrading to Lion (also Parallels 6)?

I'm thinking about upgrading to Lion on the MBP and the MacPro where I am running Parallels 6 with Windows 7.
Two questions:
1. How bad of an idea is it to do this without running a backup that includes a full bootable clone? I have a full backup of the machines but I think (?) someone advised doing a bootable clone before doing this upgrade. Not sure but wondering if anyone has any good advice on this. I guess the need for the bootable clone (assuming I am moving to Lion) would be in case I need to reload all the settings and everything from the year and a half I spent getting everything to my liking (no small amount of work)? I mean, I wouldn't re-load the bootable clone and then only work off of Snow Leopard so I guess (?) I am asking if there is other info in the bootable clone that makes it different from a normal backup in such an instance.
2. Does anyone know of any definitive documentation that tells me whether to upgrade to Parallels 7 first or if I go to Lion first for the upgrade? Does one need to go before the other?
Thanks.
Jon

hotwheels 22 wrote:
1. How bad of an idea is it to do this without running a backup that includes a full bootable clone?
If your Lion upgrade hoses, like it usually does for those upgrading over a complicated Snow Leopard, a hold the option key bootable clone of Snow Leopard on a external drive will get you using the computer in the time it takes to boot off of it.
It will also allow you to completely erase the internal drive and reverse clone Snow Leopard right back on.
If you do have to erase Lion, make sure you do it via the Partiton tab, so the entire drive is erased, not just the Lion OS X Partition.
2. Does anyone know of any definitive documentation that tells me whether to upgrade to Parallels 7 first or if I go to Lion first for the upgrade? Does one need to go before the other?
You'll have to talk to Parallels, but if the software works with 10.6 and 10.7 then it's best to upgrade to the 10.6/10.7 version on 10.6 (make a clone first before doing anything) then checking it out well before updating the clone.
Take your time, investigate all your software before making a leap, a clone or two will most certainly be of valuable assistance.
Move slowly and carefully, don't do too much at once or you won't know what is causing your issues.
Remember software like Parallels and others install kext files that can break on OS X upgrades, if you get a gray screen, simply hold Shift key and reboot to get into the machine.
Ideally it's best to install Snow Leopard fresh, then upgrade to Lion, then install all programs then user files last, hopefully you won't have to do all that but it is the most reliable method of insuring a pristine system and upgrade free of the unknowns.
Learn how to do clone here, formatting and other instructions too.
https://discussions.apple.com/message/16276201#16276201

Using Disk Utility to make a bootable clone on external firewire hard drive

I was just experimenting with making a bootable clone of my Mac HD (OS X 10.5.2) on an external firewire drive. The external drive booted up and all programs worked. However, there were 3 extra folders on the clone: Dev, Net, Home. The folders were empty so I deleted Dev and Net, just to see what would happen. When I restarted the computer, it simply shut down upon reboot. So, I held the option key and rebooted back into my Mac HD.
My (5) questions are:
What are those folders?
Why were they put there?
Can I get rid of them, or hide them?
Once the bootable clone works as a boot drive, can I delete the data from my internal Mac HD or,
Does the bootable clone somehow rely on the internal drive for additional startup information?
Thank you so much for any information.
Dave

These are system folders that the OS needs to operate. DO NOT delete them.
They are normally invisible which is why you don't see them.
You should simply leave them alone. If they bother you visually and you want to hide them, open terminal and run the following command
*sudo chflags hidden /Volumes/"Nameoftheexternaldrive"/dev /Volumes/"Nameoftheexternaldrive"/home /Volumes/"Nameoftheexternaldrive"/net*
Put the name of your external in the above.
You'll be prompted for your admin password which you won't see. That's normal.
To answer your last question, a bootable clone does not rely on the internal drive in any way. You can boot from the clone and do whatever you like to the internal. However, it's not recommended to run your computer from an external for everyday use. Bootable clones should be mainly used for backups. If you hose your system on an internal, boot from the clone and clone it back to the HD.

Free bootable clone on portable drive

I Currently have a potable drive that has time machine backups on it. After installing my new SSD, I now have my old HDD that I woul like to use as a bootable clone for obvious reasons. I know CCC shirt pocket etc. And the better ones that well known. My question is; is there a good one that is 100% Free. I will onmy have this worst case total failure so don't want to spend anything right now. Any comments or suggestions are appreciated

GeoA wrote:
Thanks for everyones input. I do appreciate it. I will give it a try.
Following are two con links I found - although they are not real current:
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/stdadp.php?pfaqid=1059
http://forums.bombich.com/viewtopic.php?t=11152
I certainly understand it. The spindown occurs after five minutes of inactivity and can be a pain if you come back to your machine and it take a while to restart.
If you're just using it as a backup, there should be no problem. The problem is that it's not going to be very good if you intend on regularly using the bootable external volume.
I've created a bootable clone from WD MyBook drives. They haven't created a problem and are solid clones. However - I don't regularly use the bootable clones. I only check them briefly to make sure they work, then shut them down.

Making a bootable clone

What is a bootable clone and how do you make one?

A bootable clone is a copy of your Internal Hard Drive onto an External Hard Drive that is full bootable. I use > Carbon Copy Cloner and others use > SuperDuper!
For more on backing up and cloning,
see > About Time Machine Time Machine vs. Clones and Archives
and > My backup plan: Dan Frakes | Macworld

How can i update my old 2006 iMac Intel core 2 duo running 10.6.8 to OSX Lion so that I can sync using iCloud with my newer devices? Mountain Lion is not an option for my older model and Lion is no longer available at App store.

How can i update my old 2006 iMac Intel core 2 duo running 10.6.8 to OSX Lion so that I can sync using iCloud with my newer devices? Mountain Lion is not an option for my older model and Lion is no longer available at App store.

Call Apple's online store's telesales agents: 1-800-MY-APPLE (1-800-692-7753) or Customer Service and Sales Support at 1-800-676-2775. For Lion you'll get a redemptions code via e-mail and need to DL from the Mac Apple Store (requires SL 10.6.6+).

We recently updated to Lion, prior to this update we could plug in our Sony Mini DV camera using the appropriate firewire and the iMovie would recognize the camera. This function no longer works after the update to Lion. Any suggestions?

We recently updated to Lion, prior to this update we could plug in our Sony Mini DV camera using the appropriate firewire and the iMovie would recognize the camera. This function no longer works after the update to Lion. Any suggestions?

Zap the PRAM and Reset the SMC, then try again.

Tried to buy Aperture 3 and got an error message Aperture can't be installed on "Macintosh HD" because Mac OS X version 10.7.2 or later is required. You can update Mac OS X using Software Update. Problem is, I had already updated my IMac to Lion OS

Tried to buy Aperture 3 and got an error message Aperture can’t be installed on “Macintosh HD” because Mac OS X version 10.7.2 or later is required. You can update Mac OS X using Software Update. Problem is, I had already updated my IMac to Lion OS

iPhoto 9.3 requires OS X 10.7.4 now. You can use your actual version of iPhoto or upgrade to Lion (or wait to Mountain Lion)

HT1338 hello, i have mac os x version 10.6.3 and i want to update to os x lion and could use I cloud, so could you help me to do it because I have already done like it says here and inthe middle cut the downloading so couldn't, thanks, mariano

Hello,
I have mac os x, version 10.6.3 in my macbookpro and i want to update to os x lion and could use I cloud, so could you help me to do it because I have already done like it says here and inthe middle cut the downloading so couldn't, thanks, mariano

If you have 10.6.3 you need to update to 10.6.8 first. So, http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1399

Can a 10.5.8 bootable clone be used as a startup disk in 10.6.8

For the very experienced users and experts.
We have a mbp bootable clone with 10.5.8 and want to use this as a backup startup disk on a mba with 10.6.8. We understand that it is generally not possible to startup a bootable clone that has a different os than what you are currently running.
In the reverse, if we tried to use a mba bootable clone with 10.6.8 as a startup disk on a mbp with 10.5.8 would this work or also crash? Would this be possible or would be expect kernel panics due to missing sandy bridge drivers? We understand that we would get 3 beeps and the grey screen if we tried.
In system preferences it temptingly shows that the different os bootable clone as being useable as a startup disk so it gives the impression this is an option that works. However we understand that if we do indeed try to boot, we will freeze due to a bunch of permissions problems and such. We're hoping to avoid our computer from freezing mid-stream in a startup disk switch and create a whole bunch of other problems.
We have no real desire to upgrade the 10.5.8 mbp to 10.6.8. We did notice that an old iphoto library had to be upgraded for 10.6.8 when the 10.5.8 library was first opened in 10.6.8 and we understand this will now be unopenable in 10.5.8.
Many thanks for any responses to our questions. Cheers.

E27 wrote:
We have a mbp bootable clone with 10.5.8 and want to use this as a backup startup disk on a mba with 10.6.8. We understand that it is generally not possible to startup a bootable clone that has a different os than what you are currently running.
You should as long as the MP had booted off the 10.5.8 clone previously.
However I, and others also, found out that we can no longer boot off the 10.5 disks in a later 10.6+ Software Update, it might be the firmware was changed to disallow 10.5 from booting once on 10.6.+ sometime.
Apple might have done this because they don't want people using the 10.5 disk to repair their 10.6 altered drive.
Got the written kp hard boot screen and had to unplug the clone while frozen but there appears to be no permanent damage to any of the drives. We suspected this may happen.
There is your answer and no, no pernament damage was done, it's all a read operation and the machine/firmware couldn't use the 10.5.8 drivers.
You'll have to find a Mac that is of the same model and runs 10.5 to boot off that 10.5.8 clone.

HT1338 Purchased a used macbook pro with Mountain Lion. My old Mac runs Snow Leopard is backed up to Time machine. How do I register the operating system to me and how do I use Time Machine to move my files to the new used computer?

Purchased a used macbook pro with Mountain Lion. My old Mac runs Snow Leopard is backed up to Time machine. How do I register the operating system to me and how do I use Time Machine to move my files to the new used computer?

If you look at the User Tips tab, you will find a write up on just this subject:
https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-4053
The subject of buying/selling a Mac is quite complicated. Here is a guide to the steps involved. It is from the Seller's point of view, but easily read the other way too:
SELLING A MAC A
Internet Recovery, and Transferability of OS & iLife Apps
Selling an Old Mac:
• When selling an old Mac, the only OS that is legally transferable is the one that came preinstalled when the Mac was new. Selling a Mac with an upgraded OS isn't doing the new owner any favors. Attempting to do so will only result in headaches since the upgraded OS can't be registered by the new owner. If a clean install becomes necessary, they won't be able to do so and will be forced to install the original OS via Internet Recovery. Best to simply erase the drive and revert back to the original OS prior to selling any Mac.
• Additionally, upgrading the OS on a Mac you intend to sell means that you are leaving personally identifiable information on the Mac since the only way to upgrade the OS involves using your own AppleID to download the upgrade from the App Store. So there will be traces of your info and user account left behind. Again, best to erase the drive and revert to the original OS via Internet Recovery.
Internet Recovery:
• In the event that the OS has been upgraded to a newer version (i.e. Lion to Mountain Lion), Internet Recovery will offer the version of the OS that originally came with the Mac. So while booting to the Recovery Disk will show Mountain Lion as available for reinstall since that is the current version running, Internet Recovery, on the other hand, will only show Lion available since that was the OS shipped with that particular Mac.
• Though the Mac came with a particular version of Mac OS X, it appears that, when Internet Recovery is invoked, the most recent update of that version may be applied. (i.e. if the Mac originally came with 10.7.3, Internet Recovery may install a more recent update like 10.7.5)
iLife Apps:
• When the App Store is launched for the first time it will report that the iLife apps are available for the user to Accept under the Purchases section. The user will be required to enter their AppleID during the Acceptance process. From that point on the iLife apps will be tied to the AppleID used to Accept them. The user will be allowed to download the apps to other Macs they own if they wish using the same AppleID used to Accept them.
• Once Accepted on the new Mac, the iLife apps can not be transferred to any future owner when the Mac is sold. Attempting to use an AppleID after the apps have already been accepted using a different AppleID will result in the App Store reporting "These apps were already assigned to another Apple ID".
• It appears, however, that the iLife Apps do not automatically go to the first owner of the Mac. It's quite possible that the original owner, either by choice or neglect, never Accepted the iLife apps in the App Store. As a result, a future owner of the Mac may be able to successfully Accept the apps and retain them for themselves using their own AppleID. Bottom Line: Whoever Accepts the iLife apps first gets to keep them.
SELLING A MAC B
Follow these instructions step by step to prepare a Mac for sale:
Step One - Back up your data:
A. If you have any Virtual PCs shut them down. They cannot be in their "fast saved" state. They must be shut down from inside Windows.
B. Clone to an external drive using using Carbon Copy Cloner.
1. Open Carbon Copy Cloner.
2. Select the Source volume from the Select a source drop down menu on the left side.
3. Select the Destination volume from the Select a destination drop down menu on the right
side.
4. Click on the Clone button. If you are prompted about creating a clone of the Recovery HD be
sure to opt for that.
Destination means a freshly erased external backup drive. Source means the internal
startup drive.
Step Two - Prepare the machine for the new buyer:
1. De-authorize the computer in iTunes! De-authorize both iTunes and Audible accounts.
2, Remove any Open Firmware passwords or Firmware passwords.
3. Turn the brightness full up and volume nearly so.
4. Turn off File Vault, if enabled.
5. Disable iCloud, if enabled: See.What to do with iCloud before selling your computer
Step Three - Install a fresh OS:
A. Snow Leopard and earlier versions of OS X
1. Insert the original OS X install CD/DVD that came with your computer.
2. Restart the computer while holding down the C key to boot from the CD/DVD.
3. Select Disk Utility from the Utilities menu; repartition and reformat the internal hard drive.
Optionally, click on the Security button and set the Zero Data option to one-pass.
4. Install OS X.
5. Upon completion DO NOT restart the computer.
6. Shutdown the computer.
B. Lion and Mountain Lion (if pre-installed on the computer at purchase*)
Note: You will need an active Internet connection. I suggest using Ethernet if possible because
it is three times faster than wireless.
1. Restart the computer while holding down the COMMAND and R keys until the Mac OS X
Utilities window appears.
2. Select Disk Utility from the Mac OS X Utilities window and click on the Continue button.
3. After DU loads select your startup volume (usually Macintosh HD) from the left side list. Click
on the Erase tab in the DU main window.
4. Set the format type to Mac OS Extended (Journaled.) Optionally, click on the Security button
and set the Zero Data option to one-pass.
5. Click on the Erase button and wait until the process has completed.
6. Quit DU and return to the Mac OS X Utilities window.
7. Select Reinstall Lion/Mountain Lion and click on the Install button.
8. Upon completion shutdown the computer.
*If your computer came with Lion or Mountain Lion pre-installed then you are entitled to transfer your license once. If you purchased Lion or Mountain Lion from the App Store then you cannot transfer your license to another party. In the case of the latter you should install the original version of OS X that came with your computer. You need to repartition the hard drive as well as reformat it; this will assure that the Recovery HD partition is removed. See Step Three above. You may verify these requirements by reviewing your OS X Software License.

Want to make a bootable clone...which software should I use?

After an accident with my previous laptop I've realised the importance of backing up all my stuff.
I decided on an OWC Mercury Elite-AL external hard drive and now it's arrived I want to make a bootable clone of my HD. Has anyone who has an OWC Drive tried the software that comes with it and is it any good? It's called intech Speedtools.
I've heard a lot of people on here talk about Carbon Copy Cloner and SuperDuper. Which is the best (and easiest cos I'm pretty stupid) would you say or are there others I should consider? A while ago I remember reading CCC wasn't compatible with Tiger. Is this still a problem?
Any advice, I'd be grateful...

You can make a clone using Disk Utility's restore function. I haven't tried it in a while though because it kept making three invisible folder visible on the clone. That was supposedly fixed with a 10.4 update but it kept happening to me.
Carbon Copy Cloner isn't yet truly Tiger compatible is my understanding. It hasn't been updated since the 10.3 days. Many have reported that it's started working again if you install the 10.4.2 update. I myself have been making clones of my machine with it since then and haven't had any issues. Except for some reason, I have to select the destination disk first instead of the source, otherwise the app has crashed on me on occasion.
Super Duper has a lot of fans and got a great write-up in Macworld. It's shareware but looks very easy to use. If I wasn't in such a tight financial situation right now (my business has been a little light on customers lately), that's the one I'd buy. It's not expensive though so maybe I'm just really cheap.
I've also used Lacie Silverkeeper which was a touch difficult to understand and it also made the same three invisible folders visible that Disk Utility did. I haven't tried it or checked for updates in a while though.
I actually need to make a clone of my machine today so I'm going to try and see if Disk Utility works correctly.

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