VNC setup

I have a mac mini at my office that's connected to a brand new Airport N. I want to be able to access this computer from home with my Powerbook. I've installed Vine server on the Mac mini, set the TCP/IP prefrences to manually with IP 10.0.1.232, router and dns server to 10.0.1.1, I've created a mapping for VNC (the desktop remote access tab) enabling the 5900 port for 10.0.1.232. I can access the mac mini via the internal airport connection but cannot do the same from the exterior. What am I doing wrong here?
Thanks for the help.
Mark

Just realized is SSH necessary ? if so how do I set
that up ?
SSH is not necessary, however SSH is the most secure way to login to a server over the internet or on a LAN.
I only allow my VNC server to be accessed over SSH. I don't have to open up any unecessary ports on my firewall this way. You only need to have port 22 opened in your firewall for SSH.
I first learned how to setup SSH using public keys using a howto that my friend wrote.
Howto setup SSH
Once you have ssh setup using public key authentication it is really secure and to make OSXvnc work with only with SSH you need goto the sharing tab in the OSXvnc GUI and check the box 'Only Allow local connetions (require SSH)'
Once that is done here is how it works.
For this example I am using the OSXvnc server on port 5900.
First of all we start a secure SSH tunnel, in your terminal issue the command
ssh user@server -L 5901:127.0.0.1:5900
Then in your vnc client you login using a server address of
localhost:5901
or if using chicken of the vnc like this.
Also enter your VNC servers password if you had set one of those up with OSXvnc.
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for a VNC client
to connect.
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I simply want a list that shows each workstation, so I can control/VNC them using ARD offsite.
Name: Computer 1 IP Address: 123.123.123.123:5901
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