• Want my old "Pantone solid Coated" swatches.

Hello -
Since we made the update of Adobe® CC (coming from old CS5), lot of my colleagues complain
about the LAB pre-visualization of the PMS color (in color palette -> vs. CMYK before).
Is there a way, a place we are could download the old version of the "Pantone solid Coated" (thus not the "Pantone+" one).
NB. We don't really use this last new Pantone colors.
Thank you…
- Dimitri

Hello Monika -
Thanks for your advice…
I did it already, but the problem is that Illustrator (CC) won't let you the option to see the CMYK conversion. It shows the old PMS color with a small LAB icon (no more with a CMYK small icon).
Have a nice day…
- Dimitri

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ma fenêtre "couleur" à partir d'un document créé sur mon ordi avec ma version CC avec le même ton direct prit sur mon nuancier PANTONE solid uncoated :
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Je ne parle pas du petit menu déroulant qui propose une conversion de la couleur Pantone en CMJN, RVB ou LAB.    Je parle vraiment du mode de conversion par défaut en LAB (type info qui s'affiche sur la fenêtre "couleur" lorsqu'une couleur est sélectionnée)... POURQUOI CES INFOS SONT EN LAB PAR DÉFAUT ? J'aimerai avoir l'équivalent en CMJN comme sur les anciennes versions CS.
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Y-a-t-il un réglage à faire ou est-ce que la version CC est par défaut avec des infos "d'équivalence LAB" sur les couleurs ???
Je désespère un peu... beaucoup, svp help ! Cela me pose des soucis avec les BAT envoyés aux clients qui ne retrouve pas leur couleurs... J'ai beau expliquer que la teinte Pantone choisie s'imprimera correctement, ils ont du mal à comprendre et cela devient difficile lorsque je dois convertir des illustrations CMJN en Pantone U, je dois vraiment me base sur le nuancier papier, je ne peux plus me fier aux couleurs d'écran... embêtant quand même. Heureusement j'ai un nuancier Pantone color Bridge qui me donne les équivalence mais...
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Olivier T - Côté Graphic

Hi
In CS 6 may be, but not in my CC... Even if I click on CYMK, the color
does not change and the equivalent is made in LAB by default (to see
small icon LAB on the "color" window next to the 1797U which stays by
default on LAB even if CMYK is marked) in " options of nuance ", the LAB
is by default.
Then, in " options of nuance ", if I make CMYK, here is the result
openly (frankly) nobody, no ?
I already had to try your system but it seems that CC does not want to
give me of good colors Pantone U in the screen.
Then, I know in the printing that my color will be printed well, no
worries but this display of screen is too bad it's a pity!
It is not a progress but that is the way it is it is CC !
Bye & thank's a lot for all
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