Warranty Customer Service Problems

I bought a Toshiba Laptop from Best Buy in June 2015, that machine is not yet 2 months old, about 3 weeks ago on start up got a Toshiba screen checking problems, after about 30 min went to a screen fixing disk errors, I let that run 7 hours before turning off, it has never started since. I called the customer sevice # 800-457-7777 got disconected, recalled on hold 30+ min disconected, finally well over 1 hour got to talk to someone, gave them the serial # they found the machine under warranty untill June 2016 refered me to a local authorized repair center, took the machine & the next day they called bad HD but Toshiba would not authorize the repair on this model. Go back & get the machine, call Toshiba again, disconect, hold, more then an hour to talk to someone with very limited english who said I was refered to the wrong service center, gave me a new provider said he would email them to authorize, next day went there they wouldn't take the machine, said happens all the time they are authorized only on business models & don't know why consumers are sent to them, got back home tried to call Toshia again & gave up after an hour. I have not had a working toshiba now for about 3 weeks, spent around 15 hours phone time [mostly on hold] have about 4 hours driving to & from the service centers I was sent to by toshiba customer support, & don't know what to do next. I need a laptop or else I would not have bought one, 3 weeks with no resolution in sight is unacceptable. I can not count on toshiba to honor their warranty or to even talk to a customer. I will have to buy another laptop as I am handicaped with it, it will not be a Toshiba & I will not eat this machine. If  necessary I will bring a claim in Small Claims court under Texas Deceptive Practice act which is consumer friendly & triple damages. It will cost Toshiba more then this machine sold for to have someone appear so I can not understand why they give the consumer the run around. Certainly have lost my good will now & in the future.So beware, warranty/customer support is at best problamatic.

hi:
  friend,thanks for your reply ,can you tell me how to contact apple inc sercer?i am looking forward to your reply
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    I have live the same, except that I Cure my MBP before it goes to die.
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    Since 1996, when Apple was almost dead, saved by Bill Gates investment !!! , I have every year promote it, and it was not easy, but I have bring to Apple between 3 to 10 customers each year..
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