Where to install grub

Please forgive this simple question but in my search for an answer in wikis and other places, I cannot find a straightforward answer (and part of my worry is related to problems installing in this post, where it seems like when the kernel was updated it did so in the wrong place).
I have the following setup on my Toshiba Portege R500:
sda1 Windows XP
sda2 Windows/Toshiba rescue partition
sda3 share vfat partition
sda4 extended partition:
sda5 boot
sda6 swap
sda7 /
When I initially installed arch, I installed it in "/dev/sda", which is what it seemed to me most of the advice said to do (and it was the default as well). After I did pacman -Syu and copied over the new pacman.conf I rebooted but it seems to be booting a 2.6.25 kernel and the system is set up for 2.6.26. I'm giving up and reinstalling.
So, my question is:
Should I install grub on "/dev/sda" or "/dev/sda5", and if I can do it on either, what is the advantage of one over the other?

OK, that's settled. In menu.lst, then, should I have:
title Arch Linux
root (hd0,4)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz26 root=/dev/sda5 ro
title Windows XP
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1

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[SOLVED] Dualboot w7 + Arch ( where to install grub )

Hello,
I have win 7 already installed,
now i want to install Archlinux on same disk, but on other partitions.
My currently partiotion schema ( MBR ) looks like:
/dev/sda1 win7
/dev/sda2 reserverd for linux boot part
/dev/sda3 reserverd for linux root
I readed beginners guide, and the only one thing is not clear for me,
beginners guide advises not to install grub on any partiorion only on disk's mbr /dev/sda
I can not do that, because it will destroy my win7's mbr( partion table and so on )
Earlier with this configuration i had sabayon linux installed,
with grub on /dev/sda2, both systems booted with bcdedit and all worked fine.
How can I solve this ( grub2 can not be installed in /dev/sdaX )
Thanks for any help.
Last edited by tangram (2013-11-18 09:55:29)

tangram wrote:
henk wrote:... Why do you personally think grub will update to /dev/sda? Do you know how grub works that well? ...
I do not know, I felt it so, earlier linux experiences, maybe better I should write "I suppose".
It is not a question of knowing grub. It is a question of knowing Arch. When pacman updates grub, it does not reinstall to disk, it does not generate a new configuration file and it does not, therefore, touch either the MBR or the BIOS boot partition or any installation to a partition or anything else. The most pacman will do is remind you to do these things, as necessary. And sometimes it does not even do that.
This is why, for example, it is possible to maintain grub.cfg manually in Arch but not in most other distros. Because the system will never, ever run grub-mkconfig unless you tell it to. So a manually maintained configuration file will never be overwritten unless you overwrite it.
The only boot manager/loader I know of where this is not the case is gummiboot and IMNSHO, that makes the gummiboot package a badly behaved one which fails to properly respect the local customs. (And I won't install gummiboot for essentially this reason.)
That said, installing grub to a partition is not recommended because it is very easily broken. So I don't think you should do that. I'm just saying that if you did do it, no pacman upgrade would ever write to the MBR. Nor, for that matter, would it update the installation on the partition. It would do zilch to upgrade the actual installation of the boot loader - it would just update the package files in your system.
Last edited by cfr (2013-11-03 03:15:34)

Where to install grub?on another partition?or in the / ?

hi
i'm tring to install arch
where i need to install grub?on the root partition(/)?
because after i finished the instaltion and rebooted, windows load up normally:/
Last edited by dids22 (2007-02-06 22:30:22)

jwbirdsong wrote:
Instaling it to the MBR is the most common method....although either CAN work...
to install to MBR, as root
grub-install /dev/h(s)da
More good info on WIKI
so why windows boot up normally and not grub??

Installing grub

I have Windows on an IDE HDD, and Arch Linux on a SATA HDD. The SATA drive is HDD1, which means the IDE drive is HDD0. Windows was already installed on hdd0. The original Windows mbr is still intact.
After installing arch linux, even after reading the tips and hints here, I can't figure out how to install grub. Main reason I'm asking now is because in my own experience, linux boot records are extremely persistent so I don't want to do something to screw up my Windows install again and run the zero drive test to erase the drive and start over. This takes alot of time, and I don't like doing that, so please help! (I don't mind zeroing the drive later if I want to change system configuration, but I don't want to go through reinstalling another operating system just so I can't back here and yell, "Help!" lol )
I came here after reading the line where it wanted me to specify the root, and I knew something was wrong when it auto-detected hd0 partition3. I'm quite sure that will screw up the Windows drive and arch will still not boot.

You only need the boot partition if your machine has an older BIOS with the 1024 cylinder limit - ie the bootloader must be within the first 1024 cylinders. Most machines with the LBA features shouldn't have this problem. You'll still have a boot directory but within the root partition.
Replacing the MBR is almost required for a dual boot. Note that the MBR is not within a partion so it won't blow away the Windows partition. I say "almost required" since apparently you can configure the Windows boot loader to start other OS's but I've never tried it.
The MBR holds a "dumb" 512 byte program that knows where the bootloader is, loads it, and then runs it. The bootloader could be the Win bootloader, LILO, GRUB, the FREEBSD loader, etc. This lives in the "boot" partition of the OS: so the Win loader lives in the Win partition, GRUB lives in boot or root partition, etc. The loader may present the user with a menu then starts an OS.
Windows installs it's own MBR loader which starts the Windows bootloader. For dual boot you need to replace it with the GRUB MBR loader which will start the GRUB bootloader. Then with the proper Windows config in the GRUB menu the GRUB bootloader can "chainload" the Windows bootloader - hence the chainloader command - Windows never knows GRUB was even run.
For simplicity I'd try just a root partition and a swap partition to start out. So in your case the end result would be:
MBR: GRUB MBR loader
part1: windows bootloader & windows
part6: GRUB bootloader & Arch
part7: swap
During installation edit menu.lst and add Windows then allow GRUB to be installed on the MBR. Note that menu.lst in this case does not describe where to install GRUB but how to start OS's. GRUB installation is done by the Arch installation so leave the Arch stanza alone.
Hope that helps. Good luck.

Problems with partitioning and install Grub. Fresh install

All,
First post here. I appreciate any help you can offer.
I am having some problems when installing Arch Linux.
I am installing Arch on a brand new (3 days old) Toshiba SatelliteC655D-S5300 Laptop.
Hot sheet can be found at http://cdgenp01.csd.toshiba.com/content … -S5300.pdf.
I was initially installing from 2011.08.19 x86_64 Core CD but someone suggested using the latest version.
Now I am installing from 2011.11.13 x86_64 CD burned at 4x (the slowest my burner can go).
I am able to complete all steps up to installing GRUB, but it fails to install.
During partitioning I receive a few errors and I believe this is contributing to the issue.
At first I tried automatic partitioning with 100mb boot, 1024mb swap, 10,000mb / and the rest of 320g for /home. Each partition is ext3 except /boot which is ext2.
During the automatic partitioning an error briefly occured: /usr/lib/aif/core/libs/lib-blockdevices-filesystems.sh: line 355: !((partition_flag)): command not found.
After speaking with a friend they suggested manually partitioning and using UUIDs instead.
1) So far I have removed all partitions, rebooted.
2) Partitioned using cFdisk. Bootable 100mb parition, 1024mb swap, 15,000mb primary (/), 3000mb logical (/var), and the rest 300949mb logical (/home).
3) Once I write the changes and quit I reboot.
4)I go back into the installer and complete steps 1-3.
5) Go to step 4 and and then manually configure block devices, file systems, or mount points.
6) I choose the option for uuid and hit ok.
At this point 3 error messages appear at the bottom:
/usr/lib/aif/core/libs/lib-ui-interactive.sh: line 602: local: 'part,' : not a valid identifier
/usr/lib/aif/core/libs/lib-ui-interactive.sh: line 602: local: 'type,' : not a valid identifier
/usr/lib/aif/core/libs/lib-ui-interactive.sh: line 602: local: 'label,' : not a valid identifier
(Screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/OHRKo.jpg)
7) Next it prompts me to add the mount points for each partition set.
8) Select the partition, the mount point, it asks me for label and any additional opts for mkfs.ext3.
9) I leave the label and opts field blank. After selecting ok to the opts field I get the same 3 errors as above:
/usr/lib/aif/core/libs/lib-ui-interactive.sh: line 602: local: 'part,' : not a valid identifier
/usr/lib/aif/core/libs/lib-ui-interactive.sh: line 602: local: 'type,' : not a valid identifier
/usr/lib/aif/core/libs/lib-ui-interactive.sh: line 602: local: 'label,' : not a valid identifier
(Screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/QqkSP.jpg)
I am able to successfully set a mount point and format each partition. But I receive the same set of 3 errors occur for each partition.
10) Once I complete the formatting I proceed to step 8, install bootloader.
It says Generating Grub device map.. This could take a while. Please be patient.
I receivieve the following error on this screen: /usr/lib/aif/core/libs/lib-blockdevices-filesystems.sh: line 355: !((partition_flag)): command not found.
(Screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/B5j4K.jpg)
11) After the error displays it goes to the next screen, before installing grub you must review config file. etc.
12) I hit ok and then :q the config file. Is there a critical change in the config file that I'm missing?
13) After closing the file I select which the boot device where the GRUB bootloader will be installed. My only option is /dev/sda. I hit ok
Then I get the following 2 errors:
/usr/lib/aif/core/libs/lib-blockdevices-filesystems.sh: line 355: !((partition_flag)): command not found
/usr/lib/aif/core/libs/lib-blockdevices-filesystems.sh: line 355: !((partition_flag)): command not found
(Screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/ol840.jpg)
13) Error installing GRUB. See /dev/tty7 for output. Ok
14) GRUB was NOT successfully installed. Ok
I checked out TTY7.
It shows the installer issuing the following commands in GRUB.
1) device (hd0,) /dev/sda
Error 12: Invalid device requested
2) root (hd0,0)
Filesystem type is extf2, partition type 0x83
3) setup (hd0,)
Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no
Checking if "/grub/stage1" exists... yes
Checking if "/grub/stage2" exists... yes
Checking if "/grub/e2fs_stage1_5" exists... yes
Running "embed /grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd0,0)"... failed (this is not fatal)
Running "embed /grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd0,0)"... failed (this is not fatal)
Running "install /grub/stage1 (hd0,0) /grub/stage2 p /grub/menu.lst "... succeeded
Done.
4) quit
I have tried rebooting from here and using the Arch CD to boot into the existing OS but it does not work.
I tried grub-install /dev/sda
I get Probing devices to check BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
/dev/mapper../dm-0 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
I have tried going into grub and issuing the same commands the install script did.
Same errors.
I'm afraid I don't have network access at the moment so I can't get a successful /arc/report-issues to run.
I hope I've included enough information to start the troubleshooting.
Let me know if I've missed anything!
Thanks in advance,
-Jason
Last edited by username17 (2011-11-17 22:37:56)

username17 wrote:I get Probing devices to check BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
/dev/mapper../dm-0 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
Your drive does not have an MBR to install grub to as it is a GPT disk - which is also not supported under the old GRUB.
You need to create a small partition at the very beginning of the drive (8MB is plenty) and set the "bios_grub" flag. ie the "BIOS drive" your error refers to.
You will then need to install the grub2-bios package following the chroot instructions on the grub2 wiki page here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB2#Installation
** Please note that I found the chroot mounts to be outdated - replace "/tmp/install" with "/mnt" **
Your alternative solution is to boot a gparted liveCD and prepare your disk as MBR - this will (most likely) destroy all existing data on the disk.

[SOLVED] Chromebook: help partitioning /dev/sda7 to install GRUB

My goal is to dual boot Arch and Chrome OS on an Acer C720. I repartitioned the drive using the Chrubuntu script. Following the Wiki, I created the file system for Arch on /dev/sda7.
The next step in the Wiki reads
Following the instructions for installing GRUB on GPT, use gdisk to create a 1007kb partition and set the type to EF02.
I don't understand what to do. Do I really make another partition on sda? I've read that if you change the partitioning, it will not boot into Chrome OS.
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Last edited by Watney (2015-05-10 00:32:05)

There aren't details of what you've done, think of what we can comment here.
What says
# parted -l /dev/sdX ### could be /dev/sda
Or even better what's your actual partitioning scheme and how the partitions are laid out.
The note is clear (for me) and the link in it will show more details. The real point is to have the Post-MBR gap where GRUB will use to write its files.
If you don't have that Post-MBR gap then you need to shrink the first partition from the beginning to leave that Mb gap.

Unable to install grub to usb hdd

Hello everybody. For 3 whole days I have been searching and trying to make this work but I am unable so, as my last resort, maybe someon here can give me a hand. I am trying to install arch to and old 30G ipod classic in order to use it as a portable USB bootable hard drive. I have followed all the instructions for a default installationa dn read the "Install Arch to USB" wiki. I have installed grub to the hdd with:
grub-install --target=i386-pc --recheck --debug /dev/sdc
Where sdc is my ipod drive. Everything seems fine during the installation. ***I have also tried many alternatives of the above command (using --allow-floppy, --no-floppy, --root-directory) without success. All the installation is fine but I am unable to boot it. When I boot up, I select USB in my bios settings, to boot the usb and after a few seconds, I get a black screen with
GRUB _
and a blinking cursor.
I have also tried installing syslinux but it's the same result (except I do not get the "GRUB" message, just a black screen and a blinking cursor". I any one has done this before or has any idea on how to make this work it would be immensely appreciated.
Thank you

DSpider wrote:
iPod? Huh?? Then you should probably specify this in the title.
Maybe the BIOS isn't set to boot from your equivalent of "Removable Dev." first, "CD-ROM" second and "Internal Storage" third, after which you need to adjust the boot priority order.
Blank screen with blinking cursor means that you either installed to a partition instead of the whole drive (i.e. to "/dev/sdc1" instead of the MBR), or you didn't generate a grub.cfg.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Be … Guide#GRUB
And don't forget to add the "usb" hook:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Be … nvironment
Here you need to set the right hooks if the root is on a USB drive, if you use RAID, LVM, or if /usr is on a separate partition.
Edit /etc/mkinitcpio.conf as needed and re-generate the initramfs image with:
# mkinitcpio -p linux
Another thing you should worry about, is that the drive is probably not that fast. It was designed for music and such (e.g. power saving by placing the files in cache, etc). It could drain the battery in mere minutes.
I have already done all the things you mentioned. My bios boots the usb device as asked, I am sure of that. Grub was installed on the MBR not the partition. I have a grub.cfg file (generated automatically). I also already added usb to me hooks along with encrypt and lvm2 for my encrypted partition and regenerated the kernel image with mkinitcpio.
I have good experience installing arch. I already installed my laptop arch with the same setup, a boot partition and a second partition, luks encrypted with two logical volumes, root and home and everything works perfectly.
I have quickly read somewhere (can't remember where), that some bioses, when specified to boot from usb, do not look at the usb device's mbr. Is that true?
PS: thanks for answering guys, it would really help me to resolve this problem. If i do, I want to install linux on other usb hard drives, not only the ipod.
Also, multumesc domnul "DSpider" pentru raspuns.
Last edited by freed_hum (2012-11-06 15:59:44)

How should I install GRUB to dual-boot 2 distros on two diff hd drves?

Well, I actually have two questions. I'm using the FTP install CD and noticed I don't have the Install Kernel Option after Configure System. Does this mean that the kernel was installed when I did Configure System automatically? Or that it wants me to run make && make modules_install manually? I couldn't quite figure that one out.
Now as for my main question... I pretty much got through the install okay but am a bit paranoid about just saying Install Bootloader. I currently have Gentoo on another hard drive on my computer and don't want to wipe out GRUB on Gentoo.
If this helps, this is my partition scheme:
/dev/hda1 swap (for both Gentoo and Arch)
/dev/hda2 / for Gentoo
/dev/hdb1 /usr/portage for Gentoo
/dev/hdb2 / for arch
So how should I go about installing the boot loader? And I am assuming I would have to appropriately edit the lines of my grub.conf in Gentoo.... this is it currently...
title=Gentoo Linux 2.6.23-r3
# Partition where the kernel image (or operating system) is located
root (hd0,1)
kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.23-gentoo-r3 root=/dev/hda2
title=Gentoo Linux 2.6.23-r3 (rescue)
# Partition where the kernel image (or operating system) is located
root (hd0,1)
kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.23-gentoo-r3 root=/dev/hda2 init=/bin/bb
So would I just add
title=Arch Linux
root (hd1,1)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz26 root=/dev/hdb2 initrd /boot/kernel26.img
to my Gentoo's grub.conf? Or am I just completely off here? Then in addition to that what else would I have to do to get it to dual boot without overwriting my Gentoo's GRUB? I'm just afraid I'll mess it up.
PS: In Arch, all my hard drives are showing up as /dev/sda1, etc., not hda1, if that makes a difference. :-p I was like SCSI? *blinks* XDDDDD But that's normal, right? But I figured since it's Gentoo's GRUB I should use hd*
So woud I just choose to install GRUB for Arch on /dev/sdb2 then, the partition that it's on, since I'm planning on using Gentoo's bootloader, and then just edit gentoo's grub.conf file?
Last edited by violagirl23 (2008-01-30 04:12:20)

tesjo wrote:
Basically right but you should add
title= Arch Linux
root (hd1,1)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz26 root=/dev/hdb2 ro
initrd /boot/kernel26.img
Arch uses a newer library I forget the name, which identifies drives as sdX instead of hdX
Well, I got it working. Thanks! Turns out this is what I needed:
root (hd1,1)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz26 root=/dev/sdb2 ro
initrd /boot/kernel26.img
I tried (sd1,1) and root=/dev/sdb2 at first but it barked at me for the (sd1,1), so I changed it back, and with root=/dev/sdb2 all seems to be well. Thanks!

[solved] Cannot install grub on Arch installation!

I'm trying to install Arch on my new Laptop. Almost everything works fine until I come to the point where GRUB will be installed (to the MBR). Installaton fails and I'm told to have a look on tty5 for error messages. Doing so I read:
grub> root (hd0,3)
Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7
grub> setup (hd0)
Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition
grub> quit
AnyIdeas what I could do?
By the way, I'm installing the 64Bit Version 0.8 on a computer that currently runs "bad, bad Vista". I'm going to kill Vista anyway, sooner or later, but I wanted to have a try on getting them both on one computer. Might that be a problem?
Last edited by saciel (2007-06-06 00:31:15)

The layout preset by the factory is the following:
sda1: some sort of windows configuration backup blabla
sda2: Vista System
then there is roughly one gigabyte of free space then
sda4: which was a preset ntfs partition for data
I decided to turn 4 in arch root partition, leaving everyting else unchanged for an instance (no additional swap/boot partition).
By the way, I tried to install Grub directly on partition 4 (it is an ext3 now), too afterwards, which failed with the same error.
Last edited by saciel (2007-06-06 00:16:07)

Craptastic, cannot install Grub, [Updated]

I can't remember the voodoo I had to cast last time on this machine, but there is something weird about it. The other machine I did recently is very straightforward. It just works. This one I can't install grub on, and I'm thinking possibly it's partition erroring or it expects some type of special thing to be done in a special order. I just can't remember, and I've tried searching, and as always, liberally reading the documention.
Here's the thing: Arch in this case is going on a SCSI hard disk, alongside an IDE hard-drive with Windows XP on it, which has four partitions. I tried both manually and automatically partitioning the SCSI disk. It partitions fine, I go down the list like a good little boy performing normal operations, but then when Grub install time comes, it just craps out, with "Cannot install grub..blah...blah...check /dev/ttsy5" and because I have the partitions if I make any changes to them, the partitioning program gets posessed and throws partitions all over the drive, and then I have to zero-fill it, which is a 30-min wait per pop.
It actually took me probably weeks to figure this out last time (a year after my first attempt with arch, I got lucky and it worked). If nothing else, I would be grateful if somebody could advise me in great detail of an alternative method to install arch, since it appears my stupidity and my system has trouble with the install disk.
Thanks!!!!

Seriously need some help. First off, chroot from another Live CD doesn't work either. Knoppix is all I tried, but I personally don't want to sit around burning disks until I find one that works. So, I need a critique of what specifically I'm doing.
I've established thus far, that Noodle install works. It's also somewhat of a pain to install such old software with lit candles, a bag of wiccan-enscribed bleached chicken bones, and a satanic pentagram just to play standards crossover with. And I mean that in fun. But I don't really want to do it, because it's both hard at first, but the "easy" way out.
Where I want my drives=
SCSI: Arch Linux. Specifically proper udev root=sda1, swap=sda5, that's all there is to it. I don't know why swap wants to be sda5, but I am unable to change that.
IDE: Windows. It has four partitions C:Windows Root, F:Swap, G:Storage, E:Storage
What I have established as well, though is previously not divulged:
From within Wombat's install shell
$mount /dev/discs/disc1/part1 /mnt
$mount -t devfs none /mnt/dev
$mount -t proc none /mnt/proc
$chroot /mnt /bin/bash
$install-grub /dev/discs/disc0/disc /dev/discs/disc1/part1
$exit
^^^Seems to install, but I don't know if it will boot becuase I had Noodle's kernel installed at the time. So I think that's why it wouldn't boot.
From within both Noodle and Knoppix shells
$mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
$mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev
$mount -t proc none /mnt/proc
$mount -t sysfs none /mnt/sys
$chroot /mnt /bin/bash
$install-grub /dev/hda /dev/sda1
error
When I could get a file to write?...ha, ha.
Gonna try to remember the menu.lst file:
title Arch Linux
root (hd1,0)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz26 root=/dev/sda1 ro
initrd /boot/initrd26.img
And I have tried variations such as this:
title Arch Linux
root (hd0,0)<---this is wrong according to boot errors
kernel /boot/vmlinuz26 root=/dev/hdb1 ro
initrd /initrd26.img #initrd /initrd26-full.img #initrd /boot/initrd-full.img
Ha, ha. Yeah, I think I found out that using another's install disk for the other's kernel doesn't really work, probably if they are very different kernels. But I am still stuck on this.
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Can't install grub for some unknown reason!

I just tried to install Arch using a bootstrap on a desktop with two HDs. I put Arch on the second part of the second HD. That all went fine till it came to installing grub! What an infuriating nightmare. I've wasted about 2 1/2 hours on it and I am so angry I'm positively raging.
I still have no idea what went wrong. Chrooting into the install was out because the devs aren't mounted so I used a livecd to boot into the part - running grub-install /dev/hda or /dev/hdb resulted in the same errors about "the second sector of stage 2 is unknown"
I only actually discovered there was an error cos I ran sh -x grub-install - without that this little gem:
grep 'Error [0-9]*: ' /temp/grub-install.img.865
It would have totally passed me by and I never would have know grub was stuck in an infinite loop!
So, any suggestions please?
Basically the set up is:
/dev/hda1 - WinXp
/dev/hdb1 - swp
/dev/hdb2 - /
That's it, nothing complex

i havent had to do this but what if you booted from install cd as if to install but go directly to
edit config files type in the info you nedd then run install grub ? just a far fetched thought
or boot from install cd to the root ie vmlinuz root=/dev/discs/discX/partY then mount /boot if its on seperate partition and any other
partitions you may have made /tmp /usr /sbin whatever if you installed lilo run it then boot up machine then run grub-install ,but before you run lilo though check lilo.conf that it installs to /dev/hdb
when booting up hopefully you can hit F8 or in my case hit esc then hit Ctrl to pull up boot menu
to tell machine where to boot to tell it whatever is /dev/hdb if you want to leave whatever boot loader is on /dev/hda alone
chrooting can be a pain /dev/null no permissions or cant chroot no /bin/bash or whatever
chroot is a neat tool but can be a pain at times
also check /boot/grub/device.map heres mine
(fd0) /dev/fd0
(hd0) /dev/hda
(hd1) /dev/sda
(hd2) /dev/sdb
(hd3) /dev/sdc
you may be missing something there i have had this problem of drives missing in this file

I have downloaded, extracted and installed Elements 12 but it will not open nor can I find the Adobe file in the file where I installed it to.. When I've tried to download and install again

I have downloaded, extracted and installed Elements 12 but it will not open nor can I find the Adobe file in the file where I installed it to.. When I've tried to download and install again it says that the "Object Already Exists." It may exists, but it is not visible in the file or in my list of programs on the Startup Menu.

cactisken
You should not have to uninstall Premiere Elements 12/12.1 in order to install and run Premiere Elements 13 on the same computer unless your computer is overloaded and the computer resources are compromised. Just use one program at a time.
Can you still use 12/12.1 on this same computer that will not let you use 13?
What specific Window operating system are you using?
Let us go through the usual drill...
1. Does the problem exist with and without the antivirus and firewall(s) disabled?
2. Are you using a pen and tablet device instead of a mouse?
3. Did you install the program with antivirus and firewall(s) disabled?
4. Disable the SLCache Folder found in Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 64 bit
Local Disk C
Program Files (x86)
Common Files
Adobe
and in the Adobe Folder should be the SL Cache Folder that you delete or disable by renaming the Folder
from SLCache to SLCacheOLD.
5. Are you running the program as Administrator and is the latest version of QuickTime installed on the same
computer as Premiere Elements 13?
Let us start here and then decide what next.
Thank you.
ATR

Where to install Thunderbird on Mac OSX for multiple users.

Hello,
I would like to install the email program Mozilla Thunderbird on my Mac OSX (10.4.6) computer which is set up with several different user accounts. I am not sure where to install it so that everyone may be able to use it. I would like to install it once so that everyone may use it rather than installing it multiple times (once for each user).
As you might already know, in Mac OSX when you install a program in the main applications folder, it is available for everyone who uses the computer (available to all accounts). However, the trouble is, that although the actual Thunderbird program is available to all users the profile is not. The profile obviously is an important component of the Thunderbird mail program as it contains all the actual mail messages. When Thunderbird is installed, by default the profile folder is placed in the users home Library folder at:
users home folder/Library/Thunderbird/Profiles/<Profile name>/
This location make it impossible for other users to access the profile and therefore Thunderbird will not work for the other users.
What should I do?
I have a couple solutions, however I would like to ask for some advice on what others do in this situation which I am sure is fairly common.
Here are my solutions:
1. Move the profile folder to a custom location that is accessible by all users in OSX such as the global Library folder (rather than the user's Library folder). Path of global Library folder:
/library/
Then let Thunderbird know it was moved to this custom location using Thunderbird's profile manager.
2. Try to figure out a way in mac OSX that allows the profile folder at this default location:
users home folder/Library/Thunderbird/Profiles/<Profile name>/
to be accessible by all users.
Ownership and permissions need to be changed for the profile folder maybe?
3. Install thunderbird multiple times - once for each user - each with their own profile. The problem with this is then there will be multiple installations of the same program and they will not be able to share the same profile folder - which is what I would like to do - if possible.
I have a feeling that solution 1 is the more logical solution.
PS I am using Mac OS 10.4.6 (Tiger) with Thunderbird 1.5.0.4
Thanks for any advice.

Yup, its me again Always seem to have a question for the group
Thanks Mulder and Scott! I am sure glad I asked for your advice. I am completely new to the multi-user environment of OSX - as you can tell. (I guess I am still in OS9 thinking mode where there was only one user.)
Scott wrote:
"Mail can be configured to download any new email, but not remove it from the server until it is removed from the Mail application. This way, the email can be downloaded to multiple clients across multiple accounts."
Interesting. Thanks for pointing this out Scott. Good to know. This would seem to me to be similar to IMAP in some ways. This would be a good way to work in a multi-user environment. This is good info to be aware of.
It sounds like an interesting way to work.
Thanks to both of you for steering me aware from the difficulty of attempting to place the profile folder outside the home directory. This sounds like it would have been more work than necessary.
Why am I not using Apple's Mail program? Good question. I thought I would try out Thunderbird for a while - and maybe switch to Apple Mail later - just to see which one I prefer. I am a web developer and I have always liked the open source community and I thought it would be beneficial for me to become as familiar as possible with all the Mozilla products (Firefox and Thunderbird). As well, it keeps me somewhat on the same wavelength as my PC friends, of whom many use this program too. I don't want to be too much out of touch with my mac. I might try Mail later. Thunderbird has been great so far. It has excellent spam recognition abilities and you can train it too to detect spam.
Scott the "Family account" idea is an awesome idea. Thanks.
I have learned a lot from this post. This gives me a few logical solutions. As Mulder points out it is best to keep users' profiles separate. This makes it simpler. Excellent advice. I could still install the Thunderbird application in the global application folder and then each user account can open this Thunderbird application from their own account and configure the mail client with their own profile. All users will be using the same Thunderbird application but with their own profiles. Yes, thats it. I tried this out and it seems to work now - didn't seem to work earlier because I didn't know what I was doing
Another idea could be, if I really need to share one single profile, would be to follow Scotts advice and just set up a "Family account". Very simple solution. Nice idea.
So, those are the two top solutions.
Furthermore, I could use a mix of both strategies. For mail accounts that could be shared ([email protected]) I could create a "Family account" in OSX, as Scott detailed above, and then for mail accounts that are for each individual user ([email protected]), I could be sure they have separate profiles as detailed in Mulder's post.
Thanks for all these helpful ideas!

[solved] Cannot complete install, grub fails to boot the new install

I'm using the 2009.08 USB image.
I've tried this 2 weeks ago, tried it again today, same result. (I'm on Win7 meanwhile).
I'm installing arch, everything goes fine.
I've tried 2 setups:
a)
100GB ext4 /
12GB swap
(no separate /boot, should work)
b)
100MB ext3 /boot
100GB ext4 /
12GB swap
Neither a) or b) will boot.
When the newly installed grub boots, I get a error saying:
filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7
I get this for the ext3, ext4, and windows partitions.
I get it for both a) and b) setups.
I have doublechecked the menu.lst file. I've even created another entry setting root=/dev/sdb1 (as opposed to the default /dev/disks/by-uuid/..).
I should mention, I have two disks, the first (sda) is currently with a Win7 installation, the 2nd (sdb) is the one I'm trying to install Arch again (and failing).
After the reboot, I've tried booting into the livecd again and manually trying to mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt, it works.
Why isn't my grub boothing from ext{3,4}?
Last edited by Frantic (2009-11-05 18:35:15)

Rede wrote:
I was getting that error but after re-installing grub and making some changes to the menu.lst file it was fixed.
I was able to at one stage boot into arch but it gave problems with the root. Now it just seems to freeze while trying to load grub.
I am currently trying yet another install of grub. I have been noticing though that my menu.lst file has been rolling back or not updating when I chroot back into my install after changing it earlier.
Try mounting your /boot partition under /mnt/boot.

Install Grub error

When i get to the last step of the installation process-- install the bootloader
after i modify the grub cfg file and try to install grub
i keep having the installation error and
the machine told me to look up tty7 for output and installation for grub fails
but when i found tty7, it is not a readable file!
anyone know how to fix this problem?
thanks

oceanliu wrote:i have a separate boot partition
my machine have a win7 install already,
so i put all the arch linux partition in the extended disk.
Umm ok. but you still haven't answered my question.
I'll tell you what, follow the Beginner's Guide to the letter and it should explain everything that you need to know.

Where to install grub

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