White lines in table

I am new to using Dreamweaver and I was trying to make a
website composed of images. I created the template on Photosho CS2
and then I cut them into slices and I'm trying to make my website
on Dreamweaver using tables.
I started out making 1 row and column and then I continued on
by splitting cells and making my website but it doesnt come out
right. I have these tiny white lines in between some rows and
columns. I tried squeezing them (moving all the rows and columns
together) but still nothing changes. Heres a screenshot of what my
website looks like:
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7653/untitled1fz7.jpg
Can someone please tell me what to do to get rid of those
white lines. Also I have checked the code and I don't see any
  tags so it cant be that.

streekd wrote:
> Nope, sorry Osgood, both of your suggestions didnt work.
And yes my cellspacing
> and cellpadding and border are all set to 0. The reason
I kept spliting was
> because I had the same problem when I did it with alot
of cells. Thats why I
> just thought making 1 and splitting it might work.
>
> I have also skimmed through those websites you suggested
Murray but none of
> the tutorials looked helpful.
>
> Here is my code. I know it won't really help much
because the images are on my
> computer but maybe you can find some flaw.
Remove all the height and widths from the cells, as the code
shows below
and see if that helps. Its not a very stable stuture, thats
why you are
encountering problems. By splitting and merging you are
setting up
forces which are pushing and pulling the table out of shape.
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0
Transitional//EN"
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=iso-8859-1" />
<title>Untitled Document</title>
</head>
<body>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<th colspan="2" rowspan="2" scope="row"><img
src="images/sdimages_01.png" width="161" height="58"
/></th>
<td colspan="3" scope="row"><img
src="images/sdimages_02.png"
width="590" height="9" /></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="3" scope="row"><img
src="images/sdimages_03.png"
width="590" height="49" /></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="2" scope="row"><img
src="images/sdimages_04.png"
width="160" height="66" /></td>
<td colspan="3" scope="row"><img
src="images/sdimages_05.png"
width="591" height="68" /></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td rowspan="7" scope="row"><img
src="images/sdimages_06.png" width="66"
height="229" /></td>
<td scope="row"><img src="images/sdimages_08.png"
width="93" height="42"
/></td>
<td rowspan="9" scope="row"><img
src="images/layout_02-10.png"
width="75" height="577" /></td>
<th rowspan="9" scope="row"><img
src="images/sdimages_11.png"
width="443" height="577" /></th>
<th rowspan="9" scope="row"><img
src="images/sdimages_12.png" width="73"
height="577" /></th>
</tr>
<tr>
<th scope="row"><img src="images/sdimages_13.png"
width="94" height="31"
/></th>
</tr>
<tr>
<th scope="row"><img src="images/sdimages_14.png"
width="93" height="32"
/></th>
</tr>
<tr>
<th scope="row"><img src="images/sdimages_16.png"
width="93" height="32"
/></th>
</tr>
<tr>
<th scope="row"><img src="images/sdimages_17.png"
width="93" height="31"
/></th>
</tr>
<tr>
<th scope="row"><img src="images/sdimages_18.png"
width="93" height="30"
/></th>
</tr>
<tr>
<th scope="row"><img src="images/sdimages_19.png"
width="93" height="30"
/></th>
</tr>
<tr>
<th colspan="2" scope="row"><div
align="center"><img
src="images/sdimages_20.png" width="159" height="66"
/></div></th>
</tr>
<tr>
<th colspan="2" scope="row"><img
src="images/sdimages_21.png"
width="159" height="284" /></th>
</tr>
<tr>
<th colspan="5" scope="row"><img
src="images/layout_05.png" width="751"
height="50" /></th>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>

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