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USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND
root 1 0.0 0.0 1592 536 ? Ss Sep03 0:00 init [3]
root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [kthreadd]
root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [migration/0]
root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SN Sep03 0:00 [ksoftirqd/0]
root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [watchdog/0]
root 6 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [events/0]
root 7 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [khelper]
root 31 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [kblockd/0]
root 32 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [kacpid]
root 33 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [kacpi_notify]
root 113 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [kseriod]
root 135 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Sep03 0:00 [pdflush]
root 136 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Sep03 0:00 [pdflush]
root 137 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [kswapd0]
root 138 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [aio/0]
root 273 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:08 [ata/0]
root 274 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [ata_aux]
root 278 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [scsi_eh_0]
root 280 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:18 [scsi_eh_1]
root 614 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [ksuspend_usbd]
root 617 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [khubd]
root 1186 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [kjournald]
root 1231 0.0 0.0 1772 636 ? S<s Sep03 0:01 /sbin/udevd --daemon
root 1781 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [kgameportd]
root 3980 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [kpsmoused]
root 4368 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [scsi_eh_2]
root 4369 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [usb-storage]
root 4993 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [kjournald]
root 4994 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [kjournald]
root 4995 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep03 0:00 [kjournald]
root 5151 0.0 0.1 2220 792 ? Ss Sep03 0:00 /usr/sbin/syslog-ng
root 5165 0.0 0.0 1740 504 ? Ss Sep03 0:00 /sbin/dhcpcd -t 30 -h TuxTixi eth
root 5177 0.0 0.0 1620 544 ? S Sep03 0:00 /usr/sbin/crond
root 5189 0.0 0.1 14404 1252 ? Ss Sep03 0:00 ./hpiod
root 5193 0.0 0.6 11608 4996 ? S Sep03 0:00 python ./hpssd.py
root 5202 0.0 0.3 5316 2364 ? Ss Sep03 0:08 /usr/sbin/cupsd
dbus 5216 0.0 0.1 2232 1000 ? Ss Sep03 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system
hal 5219 0.0 0.4 4936 3144 ? Ss Sep03 0:00 /usr/sbin/hald
root 5220 0.0 0.1 3136 1152 ? S Sep03 0:00 hald-runner
hal 5227 0.0 0.1 2000 880 ? S Sep03 0:00 hald-addon-keyboard: listening on
hal 5228 0.0 0.1 2000 876 ? S Sep03 0:00 hald-addon-keyboard: listening on
hal 5229 0.0 0.1 1996 872 ? S Sep03 0:00 hald-addon-keyboard: listening on
hal 5232 0.0 0.1 1996 868 ? S Sep03 0:00 hald-addon-acpi: listening on acp
root 5246 0.0 0.1 3188 1088 ? S Sep03 0:01 hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/
root 5248 0.0 0.1 3184 1084 ? S Sep03 0:08 hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/
root 5250 0.0 0.1 3184 1088 ? S Sep03 0:08 hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/
root 5253 0.0 0.1 2340 1136 tty1 Ss Sep03 0:00 /bin/login --
root 5254 0.0 0.0 1588 496 tty2 Ss+ Sep03 0:00 /sbin/agetty 38400 vc/2 linux
root 5255 0.0 0.0 1588 492 tty3 Ss+ Sep03 0:00 /sbin/agetty 38400 vc/3 linux
root 5256 0.0 0.0 1592 500 tty4 Ss+ Sep03 0:00 /sbin/agetty 38400 vc/4 linux
root 5257 0.0 0.0 1592 500 tty5 Ss+ Sep03 0:00 /sbin/agetty 38400 vc/5 linux
root 5258 0.0 0.0 1588 496 tty6 Ss+ Sep03 0:00 /sbin/agetty 38400 vc/6 linux
tom 5269 0.0 0.2 4532 1736 tty1 S Sep03 0:00 -bash
tom 5273 0.0 0.1 4484 1396 tty1 S+ Sep03 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/startx
tom 5289 0.0 0.0 2572 720 tty1 S+ Sep03 0:00 xinit /home/tom/.xinitrc -- -auth
root 5290 4.3 3.0 28088 23512 tty7 S<s+ Sep03 74:03 X :0 -auth /home/tom/.serverauth.
tom 5308 0.0 0.1 4220 1376 tty1 S Sep03 0:00 /bin/sh /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc
tom 5311 0.0 0.0 4480 760 tty1 S Sep03 0:00 /bin/sh /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc
tom 5313 0.0 0.3 4484 2584 tty1 S Sep03 0:00 xscreensaver -no-splash
tom 5318 0.0 0.0 2708 632 tty1 S Sep03 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-launch --sh-syntax
tom 5319 0.0 0.1 2236 1020 ? Ss Sep03 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --pri
tom 5321 0.0 1.6 26060 13048 tty1 S Sep03 0:01 /usr/bin/xfce4-session
tom 5325 0.0 1.3 29588 10324 ? Ss Sep03 0:01 xfce-mcs-manager
tom 5326 0.0 0.8 14264 6832 tty1 S Sep03 0:01 xfwm4 --sm-client-id 11c0a8126400
tom 5327 0.0 2.1 62196 16964 tty1 S Sep03 0:01 Thunar --sm-client-id 11c0a812640
tom 5328 0.0 2.3 41252 18336 tty1 S Sep03 0:17 xfdesktop --sm-client-id 11c0a812
tom 5330 0.0 1.8 28088 14436 tty1 S Sep03 0:02 xfce4-panel --sm-client-id 11c0a8
tom 5332 0.0 3.7 59400 28948 ? Ssl Sep03 0:04 mono /usr/lib/tomboy/Tomboy.exe
tom 5335 0.0 0.7 12988 5732 tty1 S Sep03 0:08 /usr/lib/xfce4/xfce4/panel-plugin
tom 5336 0.0 1.7 28264 13956 tty1 S Sep03 0:01 /usr/lib/xfce4/xfce4/panel-plugin
tom 5337 0.0 1.6 26544 13140 tty1 S Sep03 0:13 /usr/lib/xfce4/xfce4/panel-plugin
tom 5339 0.0 0.2 5048 2216 ? S Sep03 0:00 /usr/lib/GConf/gconfd-2 21
tom 7011 0.0 2.3 32168 18612 ? Ss 17:35 0:01 Terminal
tom 7012 0.0 0.0 2420 652 ? S 17:35 0:00 gnome-pty-helper
tom 7013 0.0 0.2 4532 1668 pts/0 Ss 17:35 0:00 bash
tom 7183 0.0 0.1 4228 1428 ? S 21:04 0:00 /bin/sh /opt/mozilla/bin/firefox
tom 7187 0.0 0.1 4224 1432 ? S 21:04 0:00 /bin/sh /opt/mozilla/lib/firefox-
tom 7192 5.3 7.8 158728 61260 ? Sl 21:04 1:21 /opt/mozilla/lib/firefox-2.0.0.6/
root 7205 0.0 0.1 3600 924 pts/0 S 21:04 0:00 su
root 7206 0.0 0.2 4264 1672 pts/0 S 21:04 0:00 bash
root 7211 0.0 0.5 10708 4024 pts/0 S+ 21:07 0:00 vi /etc/rc.conf
tom 7258 0.0 0.2 4532 1668 pts/1 Ss 21:28 0:00 bash
tom 7260 0.0 0.1 3552 996 pts/1 R+ 21:29 0:00 ps -aux
I'm astounded that xfce-related items would consume so much memory.  Also, Tomboy and Firefox really eat up memory in a hurry.  Thunar, too.  Is this normal?   Doesn't seem like it should be... 
Oh, fyi, the daemons loaded at startup are: 
DAEMONS=(syslog-ng network netfs crond alsa hplip cups hal)
Any help would be appreciated here.  I can send over any specifics about my system or outputs of a command as needed for remote troubleshooting.  Thanks!
Last edited by wrycatcher (2007-09-05 05:01:07)

wrycatcher wrote:I don't have anything that usual installed, I don't think.  If I go from a fresh boot up, my experience is that I end up using about 400MB out of the 768 MB total physical memory (eventually my system will slow to a crawl with about 95% of RAM used).
If it never exceeds 95% , I don't see why there should be any slow downs.
Does it swap ? Thats much more important to check than the memory usage (even if its obviously linked).
If a lot of swap is used, then it's very bad indeed, and you're left with the two obvious choices :
1) get more memory
2) use less memory hungry apps
Recently, I set up Ubuntu (which is more bloated than Arch, with a ton of unneeded crap by default) on a box with 256 MB.
Just booting into an empty gnome session filled up all ram. Then trying to start OpenOffice made the system swap badly,
and it was very slow.
I upgraded it to 512 mb, and everything is fine now.
So I find it strange that 768 mb can't handle arch + xfce.

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