Writing feeling on Helix comparing to x201t?

I currently owning a x201t tablet which has wacom pen and the writing is pretty good. Considerring swapping for a Helix, but from my knowledge, the Helix comes with gorilla glass, I am abit worried that the writting could feel slippery as it's writing on a piece of glass.
I do homeworks on my tablet thus have pretty high standards on the writting feelings.
Could someone share their piece of writtingexperience of their helix?

Can't compare it to the X201t, but I can say it felt very good on mine. My handwriting was about the same as in reality, maybe little little bit worse, but I think it will improve as time passes by. I have no complaints about the digitizer pen.
Jonas
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    Honestly, I like Cisco.
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