XMP and DNGs

I convert RAWs in DNGs.
When I want to go open a DNG foto in PS-CS2 via Bridge I first "export XMP metadata to file" Is this necessary when working with DNG files?

OK, so I'm in the process of splitting up my single big library to a couple of smaller ones. I've done the "export XMP metadata to file" thing. When I read the files back into LR under a new library, it will read all the changes I've done before from the .xmp files. Am I understanding this correctly? Also, once I've re-imported all the files back in, do I still need to keep the .xmp files? Are all the changes read in from these files re-written into the new library? Thanks.

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Xmp and dng

So I have a question.
There is this outsourced company, that I use for editing, and I export from my raw files to dng so I can send it to them, They edit in lightroom, and they return xmp sidecar files with the edits that I simply apply back to my raw files.
Now I want to train another person on remote location to do the editing instead of using the company i used to use, and I'm trying to replicate this process.
The problem is, from all I read, you can't create xmp from dng files, so how did they do it? Is there another program that can save the xmp data out of dng? or did they conver the dng that I gave them to another format so that they can write xmp files out?
Can anyone give me a way of doing this?
thanks

If DNG is read-only, Bridge will create sidecars for xmp. However there is no way to do the same in Lightroom, without some stunts...
Lightroom will read DNG sidecars (if they're recent enough), but won't ever write them.
papjohns wrote:
Is there another program that can save the xmp data out of dng?
Can anyone give me a way of doing this?
Easiest way is via xEmP plugin, but you can also use exiftool directly if you prefer.
Rob

XMP and DNG support?

I'm using Aperture 2 on Mac 10.4.11...
After importing DNG files I have some problems and what to ask if other users experience the same or perhaps I'm doing something wrong?
I have a Lightroom Workflow where I convert all my 40d Raw files to DNG. I apply a lot of Metadata and some basic adjustments in the Lightroom Develop module. I update my DNG files with metadata and preview images to include everything in the files. After importing these files into Aperture 2 I have following problems.
Metadata is not imported properly.
Example 1:
Creator in Lightroom: Susi & Paul
Artist in Aperture after import: Paul
"Susi &" is missing. Artist is not the only field with this problem. I have the same in behaviour in "Writer/Editor", "Credit", "Source", "Byline"....., simply i n all fields...
Example 2:
Caption in Lightroom: Köln, Cologne
Caption in Aperture after import: öln, Cologne
The "K" form "Köln" is missing.
Example 3:
All adjustments I have done in the Lightroom Develop Module are saved in the XMP Metadata and all previews are updated in the DNG files after adjustment to reflect the changes. I expected that Aperture is reading this metadata and use it for rendering. This is not the case.
I was trying with Aperture 2 in German and English Language without any difference.
Now again my question... Do you experience the same behaviour with Aperture 2 or is it my mistake?
Thanks for any answer and... sorry for my bad english.

Thank you very much Adsy for reply!
After a few experiments I believe the wrong metadata import is a bug too. But this bug effects only my dng files, if I import jpeg's with the same metadata everything is fine. I'm not sure is it the DNG format or the included XMP (my jpegs also have XMP metadata).
In my jpegs I have EXIF, IPTC and XMP (IPTC for XMP). Do you know in which order Aperture is reading this information and which information has precedence and is used?
"IPTC" before "IPTC for XMP"?
And who is the winner if metadata in "IPTC" and "IPTC for XMP" has the same values?

DNG, XMP, and Exporting

The following pertains to Lightroom 1.1 (and possibly only to the Mac version on an Intel Mac with OS 10.4.10).
I have searched Lightroom 1.1 Help, the knowledge-base, this forum, and elsewhere for simple instruction on how to do either of the following:
Task #1: Create a separate XMP sidecar file from a DNG file for which the metadata relating to picture adjustments made in the Develop module has been embedded in the DNG file or stored in the Lightroom database.
Task#2: Export a DNG file (for which the development metadata has been embedded in the DNG file or stored in the Lightroom database) while at the same time creating a separate XMP file that contains the development metadata.
I did some experimenting relating to Task #2:
In Lightroom, I set the exposure of a DNG file to +4.00 in the Develop module, then switched to the Library module and clicked on the menu item "Metadata > Update DNG Preview & Metadata", and then exported with "Original" selected as the file format. Immediately after this, I set the exposure to -4.00, without updating, and then exported with "Original" selected as the file format. Immediately after this, I exported with "DNG" selected as the file format.
Here's what I found:
1. Looking at the thumbnail preview for each in Mac OS 10.4.10's Finder window: Exports 1 & 2 look like the picture did the last time I clicked on "Metadata > Update DNG Preview & Metadata" (i.e. with +4.00 exposure). Export 3 looks like the picture did at the time of the second and third exports (i.e. with -4.00 exposure). Opening any of these files within Mac OS X's Preview application shows the original state of the file without ANY of the development adjustments made before exporting.
2. Looking at the pictures in Adobe Camera Raw 3.7 (because I have only Photoshop CS2): Export 1 looks like the picture did the last time I clicked on "Metadata > Update DNG Preview & Metadata" (i.e. with +4.00 exposure). Exports 2 & 3 look like the picture did at the time of the second and third exports (i.e. with -4.00 exposure). No subsequent changes occur by going on to open the files within Photoshop CS2 after they are displayed in ACR 3.7.
3. Looking at the pictures after re-importing into Lightroom: Export 1 looks like the picture did the last time I clicked on "Metadata > Update DNG Preview & Metadata" (i.e. with +4.00 exposure). Export 3 looks like the picture did at the time of the second and third exports (i.e. with -4.00 exposure). For a few seconds, export 2 looks like the picture did the last time I clicked on "Metadata > Update DNG Preview & Metadata" (i.e. with +4.00 exposure). Then it switches to look like the picture did at the time of the second and third exports (i.e. with -4.00 exposure). It seems this has something to do with thumbnail previews being already embedded in the files and with Lightroom displaying them temporarily before updating them.
4. All three exports, when re-imported into Lightroom, begin with two snapshots already in the Snapshots panel of the Develop module: "Import" & "Import 2". "Import" is the original file condition when the file was first imported into Lightroom (before any of my export experiments). "Import 2" is the state of the file at the time I exported it, not the state when I clicked on "Metadata > Update DNG Preview & Metadata" (i.e. "Import 2" is with -4.00 exposure) EVEN IF THE CATALOG IS DELETED AND A NEW ONE CREATED BEFORE IMPORTING THESE, THE SAME THING OCCURS.
In none of these scenarios was an XMP file created. This had me wondering whether XMP files were possible at all in conjunction with DNG files. On to...
Task #1:
Now, as I was beginning to think that the only solution for creating XMP files from DNG files was to have Lightroom set up to maintain metadata in XMP files instead of in its own database (i.e. full-time XMP files as opposed to XMP files created only when exporting), I tried to alter settings in Lightroom's preferences, clicking menu

(to Lee Jay: Yes, as I found out.) Here's the rest of my post:
...items and buttons in this sequence: Preferences > General > Go to Catalog Settings > Metadata. Nothing I tried with the settings there would induce Lightroom to create XMP files alongside DNGs.
AFTER MORE WORK WITH JPGs AND CANON RAW FILES (.CR2), I FOUND THAT I COULD CREATE XMP FILES FOR THE CANON RAW FILES ONLY.
My conclusions are:
1. Lightroom writes separate XMP sidecar files for 3rd-party proprietary RAW formats only. This view is supported by the verbiage under these headings in Lightroom Help: "About metadata and XMP" and "Synchronize metadata with Adobe Camera Raw and Bridge".
2. This means that, for other formats, enabling the following catalog settings under Preferences does not result in separate XMP files: "Write develop settings to XMP for JPG, TIFF, and PSD", "Automatically write changes into XMP".
3. Also, for the other formats, enabling these catalog settings either does not alter the files at all or else alters them in a way that shows up only within Lightroom, Photoshop CS3, and any other applications that use Adobe Camera 4.0 or later. My additional export/re-import experimentation with JPGs in Lightroom suggests the latter is the case.
4. In Lightroom settings and documentation, "to XMP", "into XMP", etc. mean "to the XMP data embedded within the file", "into the XMP data embedded within the file", etc., except for those cases in which the associated file format is 3rd-party proprietary RAW, where these phrases mean "to a/the separate XMP sidecar file", "into a/the separate XMP sidecar file", etc.
5. The problem that seems to remain is that, apparently, not all non-Adobe software that can read DNG files is able to view changes made to these files by Lightroom (e.g. Mac OS X Preview).

I cannot open images from my new NikonD3300 in Elements 11 , I have downloaded and installed CameraRaw 8.4 and DNG convertor but still won't open!

I wonder if anyone can help with the above question about Elements 11 and my not being able to open Raw images, I have tried downloading and installing Cmaera raw 8.4 and DNG convertor but still not opening have not had truoble with D200 or lumix G5. thanks Yvonne

The D3300 requires Camera Raw 8.4 but Camera Raw 8.4 is only compatible with Elements 12 and later.
Camera Raw-compatible Adobe applications
Camera Raw 8.4 is not compatible with Elements 11 and never will be.
You'll have to either a) upgrade to Elements 12, or b) use the DNG converter to convert all D3300 Raw files to DNGs then edit the DNGs in Elements 11.
Camera Raw plug-in | Supported cameras
The D200 requires Camera Raw 3.3 (or later) and the Lumix G5 requires Camera Raw 7.2 (or later) both of which are compatible with Elements 11.

AE stopped to open cr2 and dng files, PS still works

Hi
I have a mac book pro 16gb OS 10.9.2 and worked over 6 months with AE and Photoshop CS6 opening and working with cr2 (Canon 5dmk3 raw) and dng (converted from magic lantern) files.
all went well. For no apparent reason (maybe any kind of update?) my AE does not recognize these files anymore. They just show up grey and not selectable in the open/import dialog.
I can still open them using photoshop with the well known dialog box for raw files. so somehow the raw importer seems to work? Tried adobes dng converter 8.4 but converted files do still not open.
Did someone encountered the same problem and found a solution? Thanx very much for your help!
Roger

See this:
http://helpx.adobe.com/bridge/kb/acr-84-bridge-cs6-metadata.html

Camera Raw and DNG Converter 4.4 Now Available

Details here: http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2008/03/lightroom_14_and_camera_raw_44.html
Regards,
Tom

Hmmm... I got the DNG Converter and ACR from the page I listed.
If you go to the DNG page at http://www.adobe.com/products/dng/ and click on Downloads (in the light gray box on the upper right) for Mac or Windows (I'll use the Windows example here because I'm on a PC right now, but it also worked from my Mac) you will go to http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3894 and then you have to click on Proceed to download and it should say filename DNG_Camera)Raw_4_4.zip and be 5.4 meg in size (If you follow the Macintosh link the filename is DNG_Camera_Raw_4_4.dmg and is 12.5MB).
However, if you go to the Camera Raw page at http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html and click on the download links under the main gray box you will only get the Camera Raw file (filename is Camera_Raw_4_4.zip at 3.3MB or Camera_Raw_4_4.DMG at 7.8MB).
Both download places list the Product name as Adobe Camera Raw and DNG Converter. But the filenames are different and indicate which one you are downloading.
JOhn

Camera Raw 3.7 And DNG 3.7

Hi.
I use Photoshop Cs2 on my PC using Windows XP.
Yesterday I down loaded Adobe camera raw 3.7 and DNG 3.7.
Now I cannot open my raw files,I get a message saying it is not the right kind of file,also when I convert my raw files to DNG they come into the bridge as icons not thumb nails.
I wondered whether anyone can help me with this problem.
Many thanks.
John

> So I downloaded them all.
> I removed the unzipped file from the common folder plug-ins and put it in my documents folder on the desk top.
> I put the camera raw and dng plug-ins into the Adobe bridge plug-ins folder.
Hmmm ... my WinXP CS2 installation behaves differently. An update via the 'Help' menu does everything automatically ... no intermediate zip file, and no quessing where the ACR plug-in goes. That is, there's a specific location for it, and the Bridge plugins folder is
not it. But who am I to argue with ...
> After that everything worked.
cheerios :)

10.9.5 with camera raw 5.07 not showing .RW2 and DNG but showing .CR2 previews in finder

Even with the latest OS and latest camera raw, only my Canon raw image files display proper previews in the finder, and open properly with iPhoto and Photoshop. .RW2 and .DNG files will not show previews or open with iPhoto, and .RW2 files won't even open in Photoshop without being converted to DNG. I've combed the support community questions for over a year now, am tech support oriented, and am ready to throw in the towel. I've had this same problem with previous system versions and camera raw versions, so I know the solution lies with neither of the two.

I'm having exactly the same issue and I posted on Adobe's site and dpreview and StackExchange but nobody has the final answer. I can see thumbnail previews in finder with ALL my various Raw files (Olympus OMD EM1, Panasonic GH2 and GH3, and Nikon D5300) just fine but when I use the convert to DNG feature in Lightroom (latest version since I'm on the CC subscription), only the Nikon DNG files display a preview thumb in finder and neither the Oly or Panny DNG files display. The closest I got to an explanation is that, since the m4/3 cameras do their profiling in camera and Adobe doesn't have a profile for them, some of the info isn't converted into the DNG in those systems. The article I read about it was really about Aperture not being able to read the Adobe DNG files but it may also explain why Mac finder can't show preview thumbs. Aperture 3: Some DNG images display as unsupported - Apple Support
If there is no way to get preview thumbs in finder with the converted RAW files from my GH3 then I'll forgo converting for now.
Here is my Nikon DNG
And my Panny DNG (Oly is the same)
Panny RAW shows up just fine
As does the Oly ORF

Newbie: Change in Approach PEFs and DNGs?

Waiting on my new MacBook and Aperture 2, but am reading furiously. Am laying out plans for a (hopefully) orderly transition from PC (using ACDSee Pro for workflow and file cataloging) to Mac and Aperture. Would appreciate comments on my planned approach, but first some background.
Here's what I do now: I shoot in RAW (PEF), then convert to DNG using Adobe's converter. I do nothing with PEFs, but do save them. I do editing from DNGs and convert to JPGs when I want to share.
PC file structure: I put photos files in top level folders (PEFs, DNGs, JPGs). Within these file type folders I have yearly and then monthly folders. This to facilitate DVD archiving (only have to burn latest photo folders, not subject oriented folders with mixed dates). I find images I want using categories and keywords in ACDSee. Works well for me.
By the way, I'm not taking tons of photos. I have about 30GB of files and that includes the same photos in PEF and DNG, then JPGs of the ones I've wanted to share. My MacBook will have a 500GB drive, so I can keep all my photos (probably for quite some time) resident on my HDD (current HDD contains a total of ~150GB including OS).
As I'm learning about Aperture, it seems I have a lot of redundancy I don't need. So here's what I'm thinking.
1-Planned backup regimen: a) use Time Machine to do routine backups of my HDD to attached external HDD; b) use online backup service to routinely backup all data online; c) given a) and b), I think I'll stop with the DVD archves except for PEF storage. Once I get a DVD's worth of PEFs in a folder will burn and delete from HDD (will not manage PEFs in Aperture).
2- Am undecided on whether or not to manage masters within Aperture or as referenced masters. What are Pros/Cons of referenced masters given I have plenty of HDD space to play with (i.e., all referenced files will be resident on drive)?
3- Aperture structure will be: years as folders, months as projects, albums within months.
4- Question: how to handle/reduce all the redundancy in my old system as I import? I print from my DNGs as ACDSee embedded my edits in them. Most JPGs are exact copies of adjusted DNGs, but some are quite derivative (e.g., processed IRs and some layered photos). I'm thinking I should ONLY import as masters DNGs and those JPGs that are highly processed derivatives of the DNGs and discard the JPGs that are simple copies. It would be easy enough to export those should I need them again.
Well that went longer than I'd planned. Thanks for bearing with me and I'll appreciate any experienced advice/comments anyone is willing to give.
Thanks

Closing this thread as no one responded with their approaches or suggestions.

LR 1.3.1 waiting for non-existing xmp and thm files

I am experiencing a problem where Lightroom 1.3.1 stalls while I am scrolling through larger folders/collections. This happens on some (specific) folders only, but can get to a point where LR becomes unusable.
Trying to nail that down, I used a file monitor (filemon from sysinternals) and spotted that LR is looking for xmp and thm files that do not exist. The reason this is slow for me probably relates to the fact, that this search happens over my local network (because my original photos are on a different computer). Estimating numbers, LR waits approx 500 ms per photo (looking for .xmp, .XMP, .thm and .THM in that time), but only for some photos in that folder.
I upgraded from 1.2 to 1.3.1 and am quite certain, that this was smooth with 1.2.
My catalog definitely doesn't write to xmp automatically. I do in fact not have a single xmp file in any of my directories. In catalog settings I also have the 'Include develop settings in metadata in jpg...' deactivated (what does that btw?).
Anyone experiencing similar issues? Any ideas what I am doing wrong here? Why is LR looking for those files in the first place?
Stefan

I am actually a bit surprised I am the only one hitting that problem.
Does anyone else have a setup where the original photos are on a networked machine, and the working catalog is on the local machine where Lightroom is running? I assume this is why I am experiencing long delays whereas 'normal' users just don't notice that problem...

What's the status of integrating Sony Raw (.mxf and .dngs) into SpeedGrade?

I just was hoping for a status update on when both .mxf raw and .dng raw (for Sony) will function fully. I have several projects coming up where I would like to begin moving them to SpeedGrade, as the new workflow will definitely be smoother.
Just a refresher for all:
Sony Raw (though it was supposed to be available in 7.1) does not read in SpeedGrade via Direct Link as a .mxf file.
Sony Raw .dngs are read incorrectly in all Adobe products at the moment (including SG). Right now my workflow for the DNGs involves processing separately in DaVinci before moving into my Adobe workflow. I'd love to be able to skip the Resolve step.
Thanks,
Ted

I appreciate that Sony Raw (.mxf) was fixed in 7.2. However, despite the update saying it contained additional Raw fixes, it still seems that Sony Raw (.dngs) are not being handled correctly by Adobe.
Is there any estimate on when this might be available?
Thank you,
Ted

CS 4 and DNG Converter

Hi,
1) I'm trying to get my CS 4 work with DNG Converter but it seems hopeless. I've downloaded the ARC 5.7 and DNG Converter from the site but when I try to import a raw file via Bridge using the "Convert to DNG" function, it fails only saying "Convertion to DNG failed". I'm using Mac. The Photoshop CS 4 is a part of a "Master Collection"
2) I've recently switched to Mac and would like to use my Elements 9 disc I bought for Windows about 6 months ago. Is it possible to find Elements 9 on the site? I've tried...and if I would find it, can I download a Mac version using my licence key?
Thank you someone out there / Fredrik

Freddy71 I would recommend posting your inquiry to the Camera RAW forum.

Camera Raw 5.2 and DNG Converter Available - Note from Adobe

Camera Raw 5.2 and the DNG Converter is now available:
http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2008/11/camera_raw_52_and_dng_converte.html
Lightroom will be updated to version 2.2 with equivalent camera support in December.
Regards,
Tom Hogarty
Lightroom, Camera Raw and DNG Product Manager

Well, I managed to locate and download both the ACR 5.2 and the DNG 5.2, but it was a bit of a challenge. I have a couple of comments regarding the DNG installation.
As a sometime OS beta tester, I have developed a habit of keeping C:\ for the operating system only. When a new OS or beta is issued, I just format C: and install the new OS. I try to keep applications off C:. It is hard, though, with all the default installations. It would be nice to have the option to install DNG.exe in my applications partition.
My workflow involves importing NEF's from the memory card to a folder, and at the same time converting those NEF's to DNG's and putting them in a different folder in a different partition. Both these NEF's and DNG's are archived. A copy of the DNG's are used as working images. The virtue of DNG's is that there are no sidecar files to keep track of when exporting images. Unless I really mess up, I never go back to the NEF's again. I guess that I am an "outlier" too. I guess that this is essentially the 5 - A "double DNG-only" workflow, using type 2, the native-DNG-DNG system. This is discussed in detail by Barry Pearson at http://www.barrypearson.co.uk/articles/dng/safety.htm#personal
I do like the camera profiles. I previously have used the Fors script. My Nikon D200 lacked red and the Fors script fixed that. Not surprisingly, different profiles are appropriate for different image types. Is there any way of determining the methodology and reasoning between the different profiles, and what specific problems each one is designed to correct. This might permit better matching profiles to image types, with less trial and error.

Camera Raw and DNG Converter for PSE10 and PS CS5.5

I recently bought a Nikon D5200. I have Photoshop CS5.5 at home and PS Elements 10 at work. I had to download a DNG coverter in order to open my RAW files (NEF). I have 2 questions: 1) Which are the latest updates that will work with each of these programs (the listings on the Adobe Download pages are confusing) and 2) Do any of these updates allow a new NEF file to be opened directly without the extra step of DNG conversion? Bit of a pain.

Latest DNG converter can be downloaded from following link:
http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/09/camera-raw-8-2-and-dng -converter-8-2-now-available.html
Regards,
Ashutosh

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