Xserve setup/backup question

I'm planning to get an Xserve, together with the Promise VTrak E-Class storage system (4 TB, single controller). For backup, I am thinking of getting some LTO tape drive with an auto-loader that goes into the same rack.
My question is how to combine these pieces. It seems that tape drives with firewire interface are disappearing from the market. Given that I have a fibre channel card, would it make sense to use a fibre channel tape drive then? I was planning to use the dual-channel fibre channel card to connect to the VTrak system. As this system has only one controller, can I use the second fibre channel port to connect to the tape drive? Or would I need a quad-channel fibre channel card, given that at some point I might upgrade the VTrak system with a second controller and more storage?
Many thanks for any recommendation.

SDLT and LTO and Ultrium tape drives and particularly tape loaders are commonly deployed in the enterprise product space, and the usual connections in that market are SCSI and SAS for local direct connections, and FC SAN for typical server connections.
Various sites also use big, slow (and thus cheap) disk used for some archival processing, as well; depending on the value of the data, these configurations are usually RAID and with copies located across multiple sites. But I digress.
The tape hardware itself is generally available. The "fun" with using tape drives (of any sort) with Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server is acquiring and maintaining the driver and host software; of getting the data out to the tape drive and (hopefully) back in again as needed. This also obviously involves upgrades and related tasks, as well as how you can perform the recovery of your archives. And this software tends to be specific to the controller and the tape drive and (if you're using one) the loader.
I don't see the SCSI card in the Xserve configuration screens or in the US Apple store.
There are third-party options. If you go this route, a package of controller and hardware and related software is a better idea; a configuration that somebody has tested. ATTO Technology is one of the established vendors here, though there are others.

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    valbelvalbel wrote:
    After suffering through two hard drive failures (not my main drive, fortunately), and being frustrated with trying to keep everything backed up, I'm taking a fresh approach to everything and I plan to do the following:
    1.  Purchase a new, 2 TB hard drive (enterprise class - Can you guys recommend a reliable one?) and clone my existing main hard drive to it.
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    Hitachi and Seagate both make enterprise class drives. Just visit their websites to find models.
    So far so good.  I plan on putting all my files on the one main 2 TB drive.  (Formerly roughly 500 GB of music was on a separate internal drive, the one that's died twice now. Seagate Barracuda FYI.)  I'll then clone the main drive to the identical drive in the 2nd bay and make it bootable as well.  That's backup #1 and I plan on having it also updated regularly.  (Incrementally, not a complete erase and rewrite, but still keeping it bootable.)  I'll then hook up the Raid 1 drive and clone the main hard drive to that as well, also making it bootable.  That will give me backup #2 and #3 (through mirroring).  These drives will be backed up less often and when not being used, will be stored in a fire proof safe in the garage.  So far so good, I think.
    I don't know what your desires are for backup redundancy, but I would create a two drive mirrored RAID for your main backup. This could consist of two identical hard drives mounted in your Mac Pro's slots (this is what I do.) Or you could purchase a two-drive external case and use Firewire. (I also do this.) Drive size should be determined by how large a drive(s) you are backing up and if you plan to use Time Machine. TM's backup device must be at least twice the size of the drive(s) it backs up.
    What I'm stuck on is what software to use for doing the cloning and more importantly, the backups.
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    For the regular backups, I have been using Retrospect but frankly, I'm less than impressed with their interface and I've never liked the fact that even if the backups aren't compressed, I can't see the files unless I do so through Retrospect.  I can't just go to the backup drive and view the files.  They're all hidden in the one Retrospect icon.  So, I'm considering the following:
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    And in all cases, I want to keep both the second internal drive and the external RAID drives backed up from their original clonings.  Can any of these programs handle ongoing backups to two or more destinations from the same source?
    If you are running Lion then do not use SuperDuper. It has not yet been updated for reliable use with Lion and cannot handle Lion's Recovery HD. Carbon Copy Cloner's recent beta release would be a good choice as would Synk Pro from Decimus, or Tri-Backup.  All of these will clone a drive as well as perform scheduled backups/updates of a clone. But only CCC properly deals with Lion's Recovery HD at this time. All of these make essentially file by file copies from the source to the destination. One can easily restore a file or a few items without needing to use the backup utility since everything on the backup is accessible through the Finder.
    TM is not able to create a bootable clone. It is an archival backup utility intended for home users needing basic, automatic, and simple to use backup software. Restoring software from a TM backup can only be done through the TM application.
    And finally, a last question or two:
    To repeat my first question, who makes a really reliable enterprise class drive? 
    And has anyone had any experience with G-Technology's G-Safe with RAID 1? 
    Thanks much for all your help. 
    Oh, here's my system:  Mac Pro tower, 2008 2.8 GHz, 10 GB ram.  Dual Intel processors.  Currently 10.5.8, soon to be 10.6.8. 

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