Consistent Color Settings in Aperture & PS for Best Looking Book

I would like to get input from the users on this forum on how best to keep the color profiles consistent, from shooting, to image editing in Aperture and in Photoshop CS2 and finally, to get the best looking Aperture hardcover book.
Here are the settings that I am using:
Canon 10D DSLR camera, using standard "parameter" setting for large JPEG: sRGB
Apple Cinema Display 30": profiled using GretagMacbeth (Xrite) Eye One Color, with gamma at 2.2 and D65 Kelvin temperature setting.
Aperture>View Menu>Proofing Profile: sRGB IEC91966-2.1
Aperture Screen Profiling Enabled.
External Editor-Photoshop CS2 Working Color Space: Edit Menu>Color Settings: Working Space:
RGB = sRGB IEC61966-2.1
CMYK: U.S. Web Coated (SWOP) v2
Gray: Gray gamma 2.2
Spot: Dot gain 20%
And here is my question. After selecting a JPEG photo that is embedded with sRGB profile from within Aperture, I select "external editor" (Photoshop CS2) for further image editing. When I do that, Photoshop dialog box "Embedded Profile Mismatch" opens up and states,
Embedded: sRGB Profile
Working: sRGB IEC61966-2.1
It asks me to make a selection:
1. Use the embedded profile (instead of Working Space)
2. Convert document's color to the working space.
3. Discard the embedded profile (do't color manage).
I've been selecting #1...."Use embedded profile".
So, now that I am nearing the point of putting a Aperture book together, I'm wondering if I have created a problem for myself when my "working color space" is sRGB IEC61966-2.1 and my embedded color profile in the JPEGs are sRGB.
When I did a test sample when the "Profile Mismtach" window came up, I selected "Convert document's color to the working space" and I could not tell the color difference on my Apple Cinema Display.
Also, when I looked at the metadata on the "converted photo", it still had the sRGB profile and not "sRGB IEC61966-2,1".
Should I worry about this mismatch between what are embedded on my JPEGs and my working color space on my Apple Cinema Display?
Should I NOT use sRGB IEC61966-2.1 proofing (Aperture) and color setting (Photoshop) profile. Instead, stick with sRGB on both settings? Or does it matter....I cannot tell the difference with my brief test.
I realize that from reading other posts, Apple does not have a ICC profile for the book companies that print for Apple. Also, I've read about in this forum about the "Average McCoy Gloss Profile" but I'm not sure if anyone has used this using Aperture1.5 and that posting is now closed. Furthermore, I've read somewhere that Apple uses the RGB profiles for book printing, not CMYK. Thank you.
Takashi
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Welcome to the forum.
First off, you need to go and buy a hardware monitor calibrator, such as an OptixXR or similar. This will build a custom monitor profile for your specific screen. Without this starting point you can forget ANY attempt at accurate colour matching.
Never (and I mean never) use a working space such as sRGB or Adobe98 as your monitor profile, that's not what they are designed for. Working spaces control what colours are possible in the image, monitor profiles control how those colours are shown on screen. Aperture uses it's own working space so you don't have to worry about that too much.
To answer the rest far too briefly, I'd suggest setting the proofing profile to sRGB and of course use sRGB for the export preset. The gamma setting you will have to adjust depending on how dark the Lightjet prints look compared to your screen. You will have to do test-strips to start with.
Your images looking crap on flickr on Windows machines is partly because Windows web browsers generally do NO colour correction, and only partly to do with the different gamma.
Ian

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