1 GUI, 2 Environments?

I have an application that requires certain situations where it needs to be deployed locally on the desktop. This is primarily for integration to other desktop applications. The other reason is for performance. We are currently developing this as Java Swing panels / dialogs.
There has been interest in moving a subset of this application to a web (not desktop integration is needed and optimal performance is not as necessary).
Our company is not a fan of developing Applets. So, what other alternatives are there to developing 1 user interface that can be used in multiple environments (desktop and web)?
Edited by: atk.pfg on Nov 12, 2007 9:33 AM

I'm not an expert in Java Web Start, but I had always thought of it as being a "deployment" type of tool. It could help in deploying my app to the desktop.
What I'm needing is a way to create one UI presentation and have it run in 2 environments... one on a desktop and the second in a browser (web).

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Targeting embedded devices, iOS or Android for a JavaFX app is an experimental thing, so only do that if, yada, yada, yada.
JavaFX is a mid-level UI system, not a full application stack - it abstracts away the basics like rendering, controls and animation but does not provide comprehensive OS hooks, navigation frameworks, model/view/presenter frameworks, full dependency injection, client/server messaging, data <-> controls serialization and deserialization, etc. FXML is just a markup system with a binding capability to Java code. JavaFX and FXML do not constitute a full application framework. There is no widely-used full application framework for JavaFX. Sure some people have tried to create one, but none of those solutions have achieved critical mass of usage and features - plus a one-size fits all application framework will never exist anyway - client applications (e.g. a game versus a line-of-business app) differ greatly and deserve completely different architectures.
There are many things in the Java EE world which can be used in JavaFX (e.g., its dependency injection, its web socket or rest APIs and implementations, its server based systems to allow your app to access cloud based logic and storage, etc) - so feel free to use the bits you need, usually it's as simple as adding additional library dependencies to your maven or gradle project. A typical medium sized JavaFX application will include multiple third party libraries (mostly non-UI libraries) to get its job done as this will be more convenient than coding everything against the JRE API - though there is an awful lot of out the box functionality you get from the JRE.
JavaFX is more complicated to use than Delphi and in some respects doesn't supply as much functionality in terms of built-in stuff like data base backed tables (though it supplies a ton more functionality in style). It is not easier to create a complete business app using JavaFX than it would be to create a similar thing in Microsoft Access in the 90's. Such is progress.
JavaFX is portable across desktop environments (OS X, Windows, Mac). JavaFX apps have their own look and feel which is not like the native OS, but that is probably fine for a lot of apps. AquaFX does an amazing job of making a JavaFX app looks like OS X apps (kudos to the creators of both AquaFX and the JavaFX built-in styling capabilities).
Unlike some other portable frameworks like QT, you don't have to write C code, you can write Java code (which to me at least is a win). Similarly unlike HTML/CSS/JavaScript you don't have to write untyped JavaScript or make use of some obscure code snippet you pulled off the web for your button control. You don't have to use the web framework of the day which withered yesterday. Instead you have the (benefit?) of hardly any framework at all for JavaFX. You don't have to have your app live within a browser sandbox that another developer once described as the ghetto of application sandboxes.
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