1 position belonging to 2 org units

hello all,
i want a positon reporting to 2 org units
how is this possible . i know that its possible through matrix structure
but what are the steps to be followed kindly provide ur inputs............its bit urgent
points are assured
regards
vikram

Hi,
First of all. you try to create the Diff matrix types(i.e define matrix types, which specify how the matrix organization will appear according to the selection of object types in the two dimensions) eg: Functional, technical etc as per your req.
<b>Path:-SPRO settings in Org Mgmt matrix types</b>Secondly go to easy access- <b>HROMMatrixchange</b>, here you select the type of matrix you have created, here you specify the various Obj ID for your positions * the view you want to see & execute
It displays the matrix structure, as per your req
If you are still not clear then go through SAP HELP
Hope this helps!!
reward points if useful!!
regds,
nithi

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