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I've been designing magazines and newsletters for about 10 years, and I have learned to do it using facing pages -- this seems perfectly natural and that is how I visualize and balace my pages.
My print house of 7 years has recently informed me that high-end production houses always submit their work in 1-up format, becuase a 2-up multi-page booklet requires the print house to "break" the pages apart and re-impose them according to their printing methods, such as an 8 page sig. I understand this, and am willing (if not eager) to conform to save time, $$$, and reduce errors. However this presents a few issues. I was wondering if any of you high-end experts out there know any tricks or features that wil ease this transition:
1) MASTER PAGES -- I now have to create a separate left and right master. Is there any way to make InDesign automatically assign them according to even and odd pages? So that I can shuffle pages without having to manually update the master page assignments? (I am familiar with the "apply mater pages to ..." feature; hoping for something less clunky.)
2) VISUALIZING -- is there any way to see the pages side-by-side even though the pub is in 1-up format? A split screen like Excel, or some kind of proofing view? I can make a PDF and look at that, but again, this is an extra clunky step I'd like to avoid.
3 BLEEDS -- I understand that with 2-up the inside bleed is eliminated, and how this can be an issue for the print-house. So, is there a way to set up a 2-up pub where this inner-bleed still exists? Some kind of compromise between their needs and my familiar workflow?
Finally, if 1-up is the preferred standard for professional printing, and InDesign is the professional design standard, why is there even a 2-up option that creates so much extra work for the print house?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Not sure what you've been doing, but left/right master pages and
side-by-side display are both pretty normal and simple, unless you've
got Facing Pages turned off. Facing Pages don't print or Export to PDF
facing unless you choose Spreads when you print or export.
> 1) MASTER PAGES -- I now have to create a separate left and right
> master.
File > Document Setup > Facing Pages. Turn this on, and your master
pages will come in pairs.
> 2) VISUALIZING -- is there any way to see the pages side-by-side
Again, Facing Pages.
> 3 BLEEDS --
If you really need an inside bleed (you probably don't) you can offset
the spread that requires it. So instead of having page 4 next to page 5,
page 4 has an empty space to the right of it, and page 5 has an empty
space to the left of it. Why do you need an inside bleed?
> why is there even a
> 2-up option that creates so much extra work for the print house?
What 2-up option is this? Are you using Print Booklet?
Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com

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    Edited by: Andrew Wangsanata on May 10, 2011 11:35 AM
    Added additional detail

    awesome. Thanks Manoj
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                                                    (BODI-850052)
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                                                    (BODI-850048)
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    (14.0) 05-11-11 16:52:28 (2272:2472) JobServer:  AddChangeInterest: log change interests for <05_11_2011_16_52_27_9__70dd304a_4918_4d50_bf06_f372fdbd9bb3> from client
                                                    <inet:10.165.218.xxx:56511>. (BODI-850003)
    (14.0) 05-11-11 17:02:32 (2272:2472) JobServer:  RemoveChangeInterest: log change interests for <05_11_2011_16_52_27_9__70dd304a_4918_4d50_bf06_f372fdbd9bb3> from client
                                                    <inet:10.165.218.xxx:56511>. (BODI-850003)
    (14.0) 05-11-11 19:57:45 (2272:2468) JobServer:  GetRunningJobs() success. (BODI-850058)
    (14.0) 05-11-11 19:57:45 (2272:2468) JobServer:  PutLastJobs Success.  (BODI-850001)
    (14.0) 05-11-11 19:57:45 (2272:2072) JobServer:  Sending notification to <inet:10.165.218.xxx:56511> with message type <5> (BODI-850170)
    (14.0) 05-11-11 19:57:45 (2272:2472) JobServer:  GetHistoricalLogStatus()  Success. 05_11_2011_16_52_27_9__70dd304a_4918_4d50_bf06_f372fdbd9bb3 (BODI-850001)
    (14.0) 05-11-11 19:57:45 (2272:2472) JobServer:  GetHistoricalLogStatus()  Success. 05_11_2011_16_52_27_9__70dd304a_4918_4d50_bf06_f372fdbd9bb3 (BODI-850001)
    it does not look like i have any errors with respect to connectivity? ( or any errors at all....)
    Please advise on what, if anything you notice from log file and/or next steps i can take.
    thanks.

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