16mm film in FCP - sound synch.

I am making a working edit of a 16mm film in FCP. Once complete the EDL will
be used by a neg cutter and the project will be finished as 16mm show print.
All the sound was recorded wild and although most is not in need of a tight
synch. there are short spoken sections that must be lip synched.
In FCP we have both video and audio, but the runs faster than the audio and
a lip synch. is impossible.
We telecined to DigiBeta but also laid the picture off to DVCam (with TC and
Frame Numbers in pic.). We captured from the DVCam into FCP. In ignorance we
did not pay attention to the capture rate or the frame rate of our sequence,
so used 25 frames for both. We want to do as much work in FCP as possible to
produce a sound track mixed down onto DAT for the production of a optical
soundtrack neg. FCP is helping us make decisions for the neg. cutter but is
not usuable as a guide to edit the audio.
This may be a problem of our own making but any advice as to how to get out
of this impasse would be much appreciated.
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Many thanks.
We telecined to PAL video (UK). Does this still use 3:2 pulldown? or a different system? Cinema tools doesn't offer Reverse Telecine for changing PAL 25 fps to 24 fps, but it does have a Conform tool which allows me to do something similar (I think). Will this have the same effect and bring the video back to match the film and audio speed as it was recorded (24fps)?
If you are going to cut the negative you'll need
something more than an EDL. EDLs track the xfer tape
timecode, you need to give the negative cutter
keycode number from the negative. You can xfer with
keycode burn in for this. Is that what you did? Talk
to your negative cutter and see what they want.
Yes I think we did. We have two counters burnt in vision on our DVCam dub. One is TC (from the telecine) the other has the suffix FN (frame number?). We will talk with our TX guy for confirmation. However these FN numbers do not appear in the FCP EDL - is it possible to generate an EDL in FCP that references the frame numbers/Keycode?
Again thanks, any more info on using Cinema Tools with PAL material would be welcome.

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