Editing film in FCP

This is a very elementary question, but after reading much im still not clear about the steps as to how to edit film telecined 24 fps on digibeta or beta then down converted to dvcam.
Can anyone help to make clear as the specific steps to take to capture, edit, sound sync to the producing of the edge numbers for the negative cutter?
thanks so much
sameer

Here's a book recommended by David Slater in the thread listed below it.
Nonlinear - A Field Guide to Digital Video and Film Editing, by Michael Rubin
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=2051736??
Here's another thread I got with a search of this forum.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1317675??
I'm sure there's more great info out there, but if you search this forum for 'pulldown' or 'film editing' or some such, you'll find tons of info in this forum.
The first thread I listed (with the book suggested by David Slater) has multiple links to sites that will give you tons of info.
Hope that helps.
K

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I see some shows on t.v. like Intervention, Cold Case Files,
and others, that I know are edited on FCP, but they look like film,
not video.
Is there some special skill or different hardware/software necessary to edit one over the other?
thanks

I'm guessing that you can't capture film into FCP unless
it's transfered to video ... correct?<
Well, not exactly. You could capture film directly into FCP if you had the proper equipment. Not many people have that hardware, expensive and tedious. We pay someone to do it for us. Telecine can be delivered on tape or as digital files. One captures from tape, one ingests digital files.
It's also possible to make video look like film. But do not post that question, google it. There are hundreds of sites devoted to the discussion.
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16mm film in FCP - sound synch.

I am making a working edit of a 16mm film in FCP. Once complete the EDL will
be used by a neg cutter and the project will be finished as 16mm show print.
All the sound was recorded wild and although most is not in need of a tight
synch. there are short spoken sections that must be lip synched.
In FCP we have both video and audio, but the runs faster than the audio and
a lip synch. is impossible.
We telecined to DigiBeta but also laid the picture off to DVCam (with TC and
Frame Numbers in pic.). We captured from the DVCam into FCP. In ignorance we
did not pay attention to the capture rate or the frame rate of our sequence,
so used 25 frames for both. We want to do as much work in FCP as possible to
produce a sound track mixed down onto DAT for the production of a optical
soundtrack neg. FCP is helping us make decisions for the neg. cutter but is
not usuable as a guide to edit the audio.
This may be a problem of our own making but any advice as to how to get out
of this impasse would be much appreciated.
G4-dual 1Ghz Mac OS X (10.2.x)

Many thanks.
We telecined to PAL video (UK). Does this still use 3:2 pulldown? or a different system? Cinema tools doesn't offer Reverse Telecine for changing PAL 25 fps to 24 fps, but it does have a Conform tool which allows me to do something similar (I think). Will this have the same effect and bring the video back to match the film and audio speed as it was recorded (24fps)?
If you are going to cut the negative you'll need
something more than an EDL. EDLs track the xfer tape
timecode, you need to give the negative cutter
keycode number from the negative. You can xfer with
keycode burn in for this. Is that what you did? Talk
to your negative cutter and see what they want.
Yes I think we did. We have two counters burnt in vision on our DVCam dub. One is TC (from the telecine) the other has the suffix FN (frame number?). We will talk with our TX guy for confirmation. However these FN numbers do not appear in the FCP EDL - is it possible to generate an EDL in FCP that references the frame numbers/Keycode?
Again thanks, any more info on using Cinema Tools with PAL material would be welcome.

Capture edited film to FCPX

I have a few edited films on dv tape and I want to capture them to fcpx as a film. when I tried it appeared as separeted clips. is it possible or is there any other software to do that.
thank you.
Yinon

Did you also find that FCP X arranged the clips as they were chronologically shot thus jumbling up the films.
Frequently when you edit you use clips in a non-chronological order.
I had this problem which rendered my films useless.
The only solution I found was to import the films into Final Cut Express or FCP versions 1 to 7.
Any "old" editing app should be able to do the job.
On the other hand assuming that all the clips in the film are used chronologically, the fact that they are split will not cause any problem.

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FCP X has extremely limited DVD authoring options within it. Can't put more than one short movie on a disc, only two menu templates to choose from, etc. So my question is what do I use to author a DVD after editing projects with FCP X? I know I need to use Compressor to set chapter points, etc., but what do I use to build the DVD menu and burn the DVD? I certainly hope I am not limited to iDVD only, which is not really a pro application, and I gather that DVD Studio Pro is no longer being sold. Amazingly, I asked this question at a One-to-One session at an Apple Store and the guy there suggested Adobe Encore ... I was totally shocked! Does anyone have an answer to all this?

Encore is very good, but you have to buy PPro to get it, you could look on eBay for a copy of DVDSP. It does look like Apple will not be offering a Pro Level DVD authoring package anymore, it's a shame as DVDSP works very well still and they could have just offered it as a standalone.

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Thanks again for the message. I've done the updates and have the App Store on my desktop. I went into it and searched for imovie but couldn't find the basic imovie, which I presume is what I'd need for editing?, rather than imovie 11 for £10.49, which is for making trailers, it seems. Also, were you saying that imovie would be free?
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Is split screen editing possible in FCP X?

Is split screen editing possible in FCP X?
Many thanks!
KJ

mk,
I just searched the FCPX manual in pdf and there is no mention of side by side or picture in picture. So I created it in iMovie and brought into FCPX and got the inspector info. Guess what, it is now called Crop and Transform. And it works very well. You could have any size video in the frame anywhere you wanted it to be. With key frames you could fly them around, I think.
Hope this helps. I was counting on being able to do this with synced music video takes.
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Editing stereoscopic footage ("3D film") using FCP

Does anyone have any work around to doing stereoscopic editing using FCP?
We've been debating the viability of wrapping the left and right eye images in Quicktime, making it "invisible" to FCP.
I am curious if anyone has evaluated or used the product for stereoscopic film editing.
Markus

I only know that Avid has just announced support for stereoscopic editing in Media Composer v3.5. FCP has never claimed any real ability to do it that I know of. I always assumed that people edited with just one eye, then separately assembled the two images for screenings. If the timecode matches for both eyes that shouldn't be too hard. But if you need to edit and monitor in 3-D all the time I'd guess you're looking at some hard work to make it happen in FCP.

How to archive an edited film (in FCE) in FCP X

When I archive a film, edited in FCE, the first clip and sometimes also the second clip of the film is placed at the end! The other clips are corectly placed.
How to change it?

the edited tape , with resolves, is split into clips!
That's what I was asking you. So it's not a single digitized file? This is problem with the tape recording or the playback. A continuous recording, such as printing to tape in FCE, should create a single digital video file when captured. The application is getting breaks in the playback which it's seeing as shot changes. There may in fact be a few frames missing at these points. I would suggest using a different application, maybe the QT player to capture the media.
(Not sure what resolves mean. Dissolves?)

HD edited footage in FCP 5.1 to DVDSP 4 to "build and format" to where now?

97 minute movie shot with Sony's HDV-FX1, edited in FCP 5.1, exported to QuickTime movie, full quality, current settings. Imported into DVDSP 4.1, parsed, no problem, authored with HD settings, and built project. DSP produced a proper HDDVD_TS folder. With Apple DVD Player 4.6.5 on my duel 1.8 G5, this plays just fine.
With Toast 8 and a NU Technology Blu-ray burner (Matshita BD-MLT SW 5528), DVD-ROM (UDF), new disc, named and imported the HD file. Clicked record, selected 1x DB write speed to be on the safe side, used both a Panasonic BD-RW and a TDK BD-RW single layer disc and burned successfully. Neither disc now, to my ultimate frustration, will play in our Samsung Blu-ray DVD player or play with Apple's DVD Player. Both report a message about not supporting the media type, although the disc does mount on my G5 via the Blu-ray drive.
Thoughts on where to go from here? Our movie plays fine downconverted to 480i, but we would love to see it play in High def at 1080i.
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G5 Dual 1.8 Mac OS X (10.4.9) FCP 5.1 DVDSP 4.1

David,
That is the answer to why I am unable to use the "build and format" option in DSP? Seems crazy that the option is there, but the function isn't.
Did the Toast product manager give any hint as to when this option may be available? I knew were we sailing into unchartered waters, but we had hoped that by the time we were done with post that the path had already been navigated
Thanks,
Larry

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My organization uses a HD Panasonic Camera to record video, which is recorded in .MTS. Our editing software (FCP 7) is installed on a Mac and I am unable to view or edit the original video until I convert it into a different format using iSkysoft iMedia Converter. Recently I have been converting it into what I think is similar settings to the original file (.MOV, Xvid, 1280x720, 30 fps, 1200 kbps). Are these settings appropriate for editing video? If not, could you please offer advice as to what settings I should convert the video into.
Thank you for your help.
(This post is relative to a similar question I asked earlier today, but this post is for future reference so I start projects on the right foot).

WHich Panasonic HD camera. MTS means that it is an AVCHD camera. And no, you can't edit those directly, but FCP has an import tool for tapeless media called LOG AND TRANSFER (in the FILE menu). You use that to import the footage from that camera. It will convert the footage to ProRes or Apple INtermediate codec. THOSE are the formats you need to convert to. What is found in the EASY SETUP list. Not just any QT will work...not every QT format is editable.
What you need to do is backup the entire SD card to a drive, or import from the SD card. But the full card structure needs to be present in order for FCP to do this.
If Log and Transfer doesn't work, then you use CLIPWRAP to convert to ProRes.
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Comparing options for editing XDCAM in FCP?

Hello, I'm setting up an edit with 200+ hours of footage for a 90 minute project. It's shot mostly in XDCAM HD 60i. My goal is to get 2 or 3 editors through a multi-month edit while minimizing crashes as the assembly gets longer and the FCP projects get bigger... We expect to have a few other sources that come in as Apple Pro Res 422 or HDV. As far as delivery, we don't know of any reason why we'd have to deliver in XDCAM. We think it'll be graded in Pro Res 422.
Here's what I think I understand from poring over the forum... 3 project setups to choose from, The question is, if you can afford to do it, is C the preferred setup in terms of project stability for a long-haul edit?
(Setup A) The most basic route, editing natively in an XDCAM sequence, with render setting switched to Pro Res 422, has worked for some editors... but not if they start mixing codecs in their sequence...
(Setup B) Shane has suggested a few times to just edit in a Pro Res 422 Sequence. Shane, or others--could you clarify please, do you mean keep the XDCAM media but edit it in a sequence with Apple Pro Res 422 Preset? Also, what does it do better than the above? (Is it less crashy or does it let you mix formats?)
(Setup C) Several editors here have suggested transcoding all the XDCAM camera footage to Apple Pro Res 422 and editing in that... If you can afford the storage space and the transcode time. Is that the clear winner?
If so, what's the best way to transcode in terms of video quality & workflow -- Media Manager, Compressor or any other software? Within compressor, is it better to choose "Apple Pro Res 422 for interlaced media" or just plain "Apple Pro Res 422"? (Again, shot in 60i) Would anyone recommend modifiying a Compressor setting for better results?
Also, this last one is just for curiousity... why is a clip in .MXF so close in size to the .mov that is produced when you import to FCP with XDCAM browser? My colleagues and I were thinking of .mxf files as "compressed" versions of the clips you'll edit with, but do they have the same amount of compression, just one is in an .mov wrapper?
Many Thanks to all!
Jen

>(Setup B) Shane has suggested a few times to just edit in a Pro Res 422 Sequence. Shane, or others--could you clarify please, do you mean keep the XDCAM media but edit it in a sequence with Apple Pro Res 422 Preset? Also, what does it do better than the above? (Is it less crashy or does it let you mix formats?)
Yes, that is what I mean. Make a 1920x1080 ProRes 422 sequence, and edit the XDCAM in that sequence. If you have other formats, convert them to ProRes 422 if you can, or if they are other native formats like DVCPRO HD or HDV, they will mix fine. AVCHD, H.264...those get converted to ProRes.
This is better than Option A when mixing footage types. So if you have ProRes, XDCAM, HDV, DVCPRO HD, DV...this is the way to do it.
Setup C...if you have the time and space....is a fine option too. But Setup B has always worked fine for me and I see no benefit to transcoding, other than not having a render bar.
>Also, this last one is just for curiousity... why is a clip in .MXF so close in size to the .mov that is produced when you import to FCP with XDCAM browser?
MXF and Quicktime are just "wrappers" that house the footage CODEC. Like AVI is the Windows wrapper of choice. MXF can be DVCPRO HD, XDCAM...a host of other formats. What FCP does is take the MXF media, the codec, and just wraps it into Quicktime so FCP can read it better. Just changing how it is housed, not the codec. So the sizes are exactly the same.

Do I need to pre-convert 1080i files to 1080p in Compressor before editing in a FCP X Timeline?

I'm working on a project that's shot in 1080p, 23.97fps. A friend gave me some footage to add that was shot in 1080i, 29.97fps, on a Canon Vixia. FCP X will accept both, of course, as an event, and will even accept both in the same timeline, but what will happen if I try to edit or export them? Should I convert the 1080i to 1080p, 24fps. Final output only needs to be in 24fps. Thanks for any help!!! I can't seem to find a straight answer on this.

Difficult question to answer - if you convert it first, you'll be recompressing it - so you'll lose quality that way. I guess the best idea would be to de-interlace and save uncompressed.
I'd be inclined to let FCP X take care of it but why not try a small section using both methods? If you can't see any difference in the result, I wouldn't worry.
Andy

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With normal DV, i just convert it to a quicktime file, then edit & output to DVD. but for this one i would like to output to Digibeta Again for screenings.
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