18FPS to 24FPS

Hey guys have some super8 shot at 18FPS and they transferred it all to 24. What percentage should I slow the footage down to match back to 18fps?
My math had 30% but it looked way slow.... I am at 82 and it looks about right. Any thoughts thanks!!

When you use the Change Speed function (Cmd-J) to slow down a clip already in the timeline then there is an option to "Ripple Sequence" if you want it to grow/shrink accordingly.

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This is probably an obscure question, but I've basically built a simple telecine and taken still frames of an old 8mm film that runs at 18fps. I'm importing it into FCP at 1 frame per still and putting them into a 23.98 sequence, then slowing it down by 2/3s to get it at the right speed. This solution works but it blends frames, etc. FCP doesn't let you use a custom editing timebase for a sequence, so I'm wondering if Cinema Tools will let me add a pulldown to convert the 18fps stills to 24fps video clip or if there is a way to set the 24p sequence speed to 66.67% without it frame blending and instead just duplicate frames in a cadence, essentially adding pulldown. I'm hoping that with an easy method I can digitize many more 8mm films. Thanks for any advice.

Thanks, I completely forgot about that. If I'm missing something here, let me know: The only thing is that for some reason FCP won't duplicate frames if the sequence is made of still clips, the screen just goes black. But if you export the sequence as a reference quicktime and import that, slowing it down without frame blending, it works perfect.

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I am making a NTSC HD DVD with 1280x720 24fps video clip, and there are few things that's not clear to me...
In the mannual, it says that 'if you import 24fps MPEG-2 assets, they are handled correctly and remain 24fps when you build the project.' 'If you import 24fps QuickTime assets, they are encoded as either 29.97fps or 25fps MPEG-2 files, based on your project's video standard, and no longer 24fps when you build the project.'
If I want to keep 24fps, should I definitely encode to MPEG-2 with Compressor? Or those are just the 2 different ways to result in the same end since 24fps will be played with 3:2 pull down in DVD player? Will there be any quality difference between the two method?
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I am having issues working with 24fps imported video. My computer hardware is an AMD dual core processor running at 2.6GHz. It has 2GB of Kingston Hyper-X memory, 2x 300GB hard drives (not RAID), and an Nvidia 7900GS video card with 256MB video ram. My operating system is Windows Vista Ultimate with SP1. I am running Premiere Pro CS4 with all the current updates.
So here is the issue I am having. I captured video on a Canon XL2 in 24fps, 16:9 widescreen, and 2:3:3:2 pulldown. My CS4 project settings were set up as DV-24P Widescreen 48KHz. I did not try changing other settings on the other tabs. I captured the video directly from the XL2 with no dropped frames. The resulting AVI plays back in Windows Media Player 11 correctly. What I mean by that is the is no jerky video, I get no raster lines, and the video quality is very clear. When I load the video into the time line and play it back in the program monitor the video jerks like it is dropping frames, I get raster lines and it looks like video clarity fades in and out.
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I did another test. I set the XL2 to 30P and 4:3, and captured the video. Again the captured AVI looks good. Put it on the Premiere timeline and played it in the program monitor. It plays fine - good video quality, no rastering, and no jerking. Made a DVD with no problems in the video. So my question is what setting in Premiere do I need to capture, edit, and export 24fps 16:9 widescreen video so that it plays back with with the same video quality as it was captured? Do you think it is an encoder problem? The captured AVI is what ever encoder came with Windows/Premiere as I have not added any other encoders.
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If the video is playing back badly in Premiere Pro from the timeline, then the things I would check would be the program monitor quality - is it set to highest...if you don't know where that it is, click on the 4 horizontal lines in the top corner of the program monitor - make sure highest quality is selected. It also may be a video card issue - are your drivers up to date? If the clips are only playing back badly on the PPro timeline (and anything exported from it), but fine in Windows Media Player - something is up.
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If you're going to finish to a regular DVD, then working at 29.97 is the way to go. As for the interpret footage command, highlight the clips in your bin, then right click on them - in the menu, you'll see interpret footage - click on that and a new window should open...you should see a box with a check next to it that says remove 24P pulldown - click it (removing the check) and the footage frame rate should change to 29.97 - then click OK...create a 29.97 sequence (DV NTSC Widescreen 48Khz), and edit away.

24fps output to tape doesn't work

I have a 24fps sequence (which I'm outputting to film) and want to output it to DV tape. But when I print to tape, or even playback the sequence with my deck recording it, only the first image appears, with no movement. I'm using a Sony DVCAM DSR-11 deck via firewire.
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No, not the aspect ratio, it is the FRAME SIZE.
As noted, standard DV video (whether 4:3 or 16:9 anamorphic) is 720 pixels wide x 480 pixels tall. This is what your device at the end of the firewire cable is expecting.
Ah, of course, makes sense.
I suspect the frame rate has something to do with it as well. I exported the sequence as a QT movie and reimported it into a 720x480 sequence at 24fps; it still wouldn't output. I then imported it into a 720x480 sequence at the DV frame rate and it did output (although adding a lot of extra frames of course).
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Why does my 24fps look bad on my TV?

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One was shot on 35mm, transferred to DVCAM and then to MiniDV. I'm importing off of the MiniDV from a Panasonic DVX100B.
The other was shot on the 100B in regular 24fps mode.
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