2 Developement Systems (4 System Landscape)???

Dear all,
an Idea of a person in our project is (because he wants make make sure that nobody/no further project destroys - nonsense but reality) that we have to customize new objects etc. in a further development system AB2 an transport these into the original developmet system AB1.
Does anybody could give me some points pro or cons or have experience in such a construction?
Many thanks
DiDi

Pro:
Provided access is limited in the new development system, the design should be stable and controlled
If using a strict and unique naming convention, you can prevent collisions and overwriting
Con:
Expensive to allocate hardware/resource to configure new landscape
If objects are transported with the same technical names, collisions and overwriting will occur
I think every situation is different, but the most typical scenario and justification for a dual landscape is having one system to support break fixes in the current production environment and another system for new projects. Making a new system for each project introduces more complexities. If you have too many projects going on simultaneously, raise the issue to the program manager or someone who has visibility over multiple projects.

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Hello,
We have a customer who has an ERP system with a transport route which is the following:
One single Development system which feeds, 2 QA systems and then 2 PRD systems.
We are to implement ChaRM and we want to customize the tickets so that every time you execute the import action of a transport request into QA (and later into PRD) both systems QA1 and QA2 are updated and later on with PR1 and PR2.
We would like to know how to support this scenario in Solution Manager using ChaRM. How do we set up the logical component at SAP, how we define the transport route and layers, and how we define the actions in the SDHF ticket.
I appreciate your help.
Regards
Esteban

Hello,
We set up a testing environment for change request management. In a solution manager we created five clients. One single development which feeds two quality systems, and final two production system. As it was said in the thread we used transport groups in the transport route. The development system feeds this transport group which feed to import queus in quality systems. We tested this transport route and transports worked well and arrives into both production 1 and production 2 systems.
Then created a logical component for that landscape, with five sytems. Then we created a maintenance project using that logical component. We created a maintenance cycle and then a task list was created which shows two delivery system, and the two productive systems. All the groups have the right actions.
However when we created a SDHF correction the system creates the task list only for 3 systems, not for the five of them.
we see that only action groups are created for development, quality 1, and production 1. No entries for quality 2 and production 2
We try to run the action which is in the general part of the task list to execute the import in multiple systems, it cames out with the correct selection of importing in quality 2 system because it is the transport group. However an error is raised saying that the actions for quality 2 are not there in the task list which is true. Finally, as short term solution, we were able to import into quality 2 and later on pr1 but done manually in the stms transactions which is not what we want to do.
Regards
Esteban Hartzstein
Edited by: Esteban Hartzstein on Aug 24, 2010 2:06 AM
Edited by: Esteban Hartzstein on Aug 24, 2010 2:07 AM

System Landscape (Dual Development System)

Dear SAP Experts,
We have Two-System Landscape(DEV-PRD) Whereas cross-client data is used in both the Customizing and quality assurance clients.
Currently, our company, just merged with another non-SAP-using company. The First move is to implement FI module and subsequently, all modules that we are now using.
My boss discussed with me if we could create another DEV server for company B to use for their customizing and QA clients as not to impenge on our already customized set up.
Please advise if this set up is possible, and if not, Can anyone kindly give an advise how to approach my problem?
I'll give good points for the help that i can get.
Best Regards,
Jay

You can do this. We currently have two Dev environments one for projects based on NetWeaver integration with our ECC systems and one for regular development / run and maintain.
I suggest doing a system copy of your development and rename the SID / hostname were it appears in the profiles and home directories for UNIX platforms. Then perform post steps for SE06, printers, profiles, RFC etc...
For Microsoft install a CI instance and do a database copy to have current data. Then do post copy steps in SAP.
Although SAP suggests not to refresh Development systems, we do it at least once a year to get current applicaiton data.
Think of it as a sandbox.
If you don't want to integrate your data with the new system, skip the database copy portion for Microsoft and do a fresh install for Unix.
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Defining landscape with 2 development systems

Good Day All;
We have an interesting issue in defining our landscape in ChaRM. A bit of a background
We have 2 landscapes each with a development and quality system. Also there is a single volume test system. Both landscapes point to a single production system. So it would look like this
DW3               DW4
QW1               QW3
          VW1
          PW1
The DW3 landscape is defined as the production landscape (normal releases) and the DW4 landscape is defined as the emergency landscape. The emergency landscape is synchronized with the production landscape during a normal release.
The migration path for a normal release would be DW3, QW1, VW4, DW4, QW2, PW1.
The migration path for an emergency fix would be DW4, QW2, VW4 (if performance testing is required), PW1.
When a task list is generated, you are asked which development system, DW3 or DW4. When we select DW3, the task list starts at DW4, QW2, PW1, DW3, QW1, PW1 (We have not defined a volume VW4 system in or test landscape).
You will notice that the task list goes to PW1 twice. Is there a way to generate the task list in the correct order. DW3, QW1, DW4, QW2 and PW1.
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Don Newton

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ChaRM: 4-System-Landscape possible?

Hello,
regarding our system landscape we have no clue how ChaRM will handle following situation
DEV-System: Development-System were the developments should be done.
QAS-System: Test-System were the tests should be done.
FNC-System: nothing to do here, just for functional tests
PRD-System: Production System
Transport routes are DEV -> transport group which deliveres QAS and FNC, and from QAS -> PRD.
What needs to be done to set this up correctly for ChaRM (e.g.: SMSY-logical components)?
Thanks in advance.

Hi
You have two options:
1) assign FNC to task list: you can start the import to this system in the task list manually
2) or task list without FNC: you can schedule a job 'import all' at FNC or import manually via STMS
Confiiguration:
1) One log. component with D-Q-FNC-P (Q and FNC are of role target systems)
2) One log. component with D-Q-P
regards
Andy

How do you move changes from your project developments into the maintenance development system?

Good day colleagues.
We are in the process of introducing retrofit, and the picture is clear for us, generally speaking, to retrofit the project landscape with the changes done in the maintenance landscape.
What about the other way around? We mean, when the project is set to Go Live, we understand the transports will be all added, e.g. to the Production System buffer to be moved there via Maintenance Cycle, based on the way we defined the project and the logical component being used.
However, how do you feed those project transports to your Maintenance Development System using ChaRM? or do you do that Manually? We doubt. Copying Production back into Development? no way !!!
How do you establish that? We have a sort of idea but the documents about retrofit only seem to talk about moving transports one way, as far as we have found.
Many thanks for any feedback.
Juan Carlos

Hi Piyush.
I apologize for a late close on this questioning about moving projects back into the maintenance stream.
Basically there are 2 solutions as far as we know:
1. What Vivek mentions, which is performing a cutover and repacking the project transports into 2 transports in the maintenance stream: A workbench and a customizing.   In that sense, at the end of the day you end up moving just 2 transports to the maintenance stream up to Production.   They contain all your project objects. Thanks to Vivek, again.
This is a very practical and interesting approach. The only reason we did not adopt it, is based on the fact that if by any chance we encounter an issue with a project transport object in the maintenance stream (Dev or QA), now that all is bundled together, we may be stuck right at the time weare getting ready to GoLive. How tough is going to be that issue? how easy and quick to fix?how much would that affect the whole project time frame?   Those questions made us decide to option 2.
2. What we are doing is that at cutover we move at the same time all project transports to the transport buffer of each of the maintenance stream systems (Dev, QA, and Prod).   We first open the gate to move the transports to Dev and we test, then to QA and we test, as well. If there may be an issue, and the issue can not be quickly resolved by the project team, we can go up to the extreme of using a new feature introduced in ChaRM in SP10, if we are not wrong, but definitely available in SP12. That feature provides a way to selectively decide which transports of the release are to Go Live and which ones do not, although we have no had to use that feature, yet, but it is there.
We do not see any risk on adding the transports to the maintenance buffers at the same time. There are ways to control the systems that are open for receiving transports, and the project phases, which guarantees no room for error. There have to be deliberate actions taken (more than one in our case), to wrongly move a project to GoLive before its time comes.
That is more or less the scenario Piyush.
Hope that explains the scenario. So far no decision on really publishing as a blog. It seems not to be written on stone, as consulting with different companies, each adds its own flavor to the recipe and shuffle ideas to get to what they are looking for and makes them happy.
Juan

Is it possible to do portal content transports through System landscape?

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In order to transport content from portal A to portal B I am currently using transport packages: export the content from portal A, download it to the local PC and import it to portal B. The process is working OK but I still have a question:
SAP are transferring all the control on their systems to the System landscape, for example Java developments. My question is if it is also possible to make these transports through the system landscape so no local PCs are involved in the process?

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Transport target for business system not found in System Landscape Director

Folks,
We have new installed new PI 7.1 system and importing interfaces from the OLD XI 3.0 system in to new PID 7.1 system.
We are getting following error when we try to import an interfaces in to new PID system:
Import failed because of business system transfer object
Communication component XID_FileSystem: Obligatory
transport target for business system XID_FileSystem not found in
System Landscape Directory
We are yet to install PIQ system.
All the interfaces in the old XID system have transport target of XIQ system. I removed the transport taget for the interface, but transport target is still showing in the Business system under transport target head.
How can we overcome this issue as we will not have PIQ system atleast for two weeks.
Thanks in advance,
Regards
Chandu

Hi,
You need to maintain Transport Groups and target for business systems while SLD transports between your XI system and PI 7.1
Illustrated with DEv & PRD here.
Procedure:
1) Call Integration Builder screen on DEV Server with http://hostname:J2ee Port/rep
2) Call SLD (System Landscape Directory) Component from the Integration builder
Save all the Following .zip files on the Local Desktop
3) Select the Software Component & say Export that you want to Export from DEV
Server to Production server and which is going to use in the IR of XI
4) Also Select the Product of the above SWC and say Export
5) Select the Technical Systems (TS of XI & TS of the SAP R/3) and say Export
6) Select the Business System(s) & say Export; those are associated with above Exported
Technical systems.
In Production Server
1) Logon to the SLD of the Production Server.
2) Create a Technical System and Business system which points to the Production SAP R/3
3) Go to Administration TAB in the main page of SLD
4) Select the Import option to Import the SWC , PRD, TS,& BS which we Exported Earlier in DEV Server
5) Click on Browse and select the .zip files that is to Import into Production Server,
Which were stored on the local desktop at the time of DEV Server Export
And say Import Selected File Option
By this we exported and imported the SLD Objects
Now we have to create transport groups and transport targets in the Production server of SLD
Creation of Transport Groups
Edit GroupsGroup1) Select the Business systems
2) Click on New Group and give the name of the group as DEV_group & select the
Corresponding Development serveru2019s integration Server
3) Similar way create another group for Production serveru2019s business system as
PRD_group and select the Production serveru2019s integration Server
Creation of transport targets
This is to Define which business systems in two different groups correspond to each other
1) Select each Business system in the SLD and select transport TAB---click on
Add/Change Target and select its corresponding target business system.
For Example:
If you select the business system of Production XI server means
In the target you have to select group as DEVGROUP and the business system of Development XI server.
Like this do the same for other business systems also
Ex:
BS_PRD_Integration Server----
BS_DEV_Inetration Server
How to create Transport Groups & transport Targets
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/ef/a21e3e0987760be10000000a114084/content.htm
Regards
Seshagiri

System Landscape directory not available error,

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Would these steps be sufficient?
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1. I am unable to Set the run time engine in NWDS, please could you give me details steps with what I would need to enter for Instance Hostname and Instance Number...etc
2. As part of Development installation do I have to Modifying the Logon Page? Do I have to go thru the Server installation in order to start developing on eclipse environment?
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Could not get system landscape directory client - NWDS 7.31 SP 09

Hi Experts,
We are unable to import development configurations from NWDI 7.4 to NWDS 7.31 for one of the developer's id. Other developers are able to import the
configuration successfully in NWDS and are able to create projects without any issues. In fact, I am able to import the development configurations from his Id on my machine.
The error message that is appearing is as follows: Could not get system landscape directory client.
PFB the NWDS logs:
null
Error
Tue Jan 06 12:48:58 IST 2015
List Development Configurations failed [Error: com.sap.ide.dii05.ui.internal.sld.SldContext Thread[ModalContext,6,main]]
com.sap.lcr.api.cimclient.LcrException: com.sap.lcr.api.cimclient.CIMClientException: HTTP response code: 407 (Proxy Authentication Required ( Forefront TMG requires authorization to fulfill the request. Access to the Web Proxy filter is denied. ))
at com.sap.lcr.api.cimclient.HttpRequestSender.newClientException(HttpRequestSender.java:719)
at com.sap.lcr.api.cimclient.HttpRequestSender.processResponse(HttpRequestSender.java:608)
at com.sap.lcr.api.cimclient.HttpRequestSender.send(HttpRequestSender.java:352)
at com.sap.lcr.api.cimclient.CIMOMClient.sendImpl(CIMOMClient.java:205)
at com.sap.lcr.api.cimclient.CIMOMClient.send(CIMOMClient.java:153)
at com.sap.lcr.api.cimclient.CIMOMClient.enumerateInstancesImpl(CIMOMClient.java:450)
at com.sap.lcr.api.cimclient.CIMOMClient.enumerateInstances(CIMOMClient.java:754)
at com.sap.lcr.api.cimclient.CIMClient.enumerateInstances(CIMClient.java:989)
at com.sap.lcr.api.sapmodel.JavaCIMObjectAccessor.enumerateInstances(JavaCIMObjectAccessor.java:213)
at com.sap.lcr.api.sapmodel.SAP_DesignTimeConfigurationAccessor.enumerateInstances(SAP_DesignTimeConfigurationAccessor.java:164)
at com.sap.ide.dii05.lib.internal.sld.SldBasicContext.listRemoteDevConfNames(SldBasicContext.java:197)
at com.sap.ide.dii05.ui.internal.devconf.wizard.DevConfImportSldPage$6.run(DevConfImportSldPage.java:293)
at org.eclipse.jface.operation.ModalContext$ModalContextThread.run(ModalContext.java:121)
NWDS version: 7.31 SP 09
Error Screenshot -
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BR,
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Hi,
we had some issues recently with this, and the trace also mentions proxy issues. Could you please try direct connection in that preferences (in other words do not use proxy settings in NWDS) ?
Is it possible that there is some kind of web-filter application installed that is blocking the request?
I'd suggest to google for this error:
407 (Proxy Authentication Required ( Forefront TMG requires authorization to fulfill the request. Access to the Web Proxy filter is denied. ))
Perhaps the problem is not even sap related.
Is Microsoft Forefront TMG (Threat Management Gateway after some googleing) perhaps configured in the way that it is not allowing this request ? Perhaps the IT guys of your company could look into this.
Microsoft Forefront Threat Management Gateway - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
12209 Forefront TMG requires authorization to fulfill the request. Access to the Web Proxy filter is denied.
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Warning: Problems occurred during synchronization of the system landscape

Hello
I have created systems in system landscape, TMS is working fine, all the configuration steps are completed successfully.
am working in Solution Manager 4, in project change -SOLAR_PROJECT_ADMIN - Project Administration - in 'System Landscape' tab  Change request and when I activate change request management I am getting following messages:
1. Warning: Problems occurred during synchronization of the system landscape
2. The project is not released. Hence cycle can not be created.
Its bit urgent as I m in middle of this activity, please assist me on the same
Thanks
Sharmishtha

Hello Jason & Prakhar
Thanks for your quick response. I am basis person, and configuring this change request management for one of the project.
Jason:
Will you please check with your basis person about these settings and let me know the same. I have set the settings as follows
C= Development (source system)
T = Quality
P = Production
Prakhar:
I have checked with all RFC connections are working fine, authorizations are also properly given.
I didnt get your point No correctly defined maintenance project exists, I have already created project in project administration transaction, assigned the system landscape, I have activated project IMG in IMG Project and then going in change request tab to activate the change request management, where its giving me above error.
More over, as you have mentioned I am getting following message in SLG1:
Project CHARM_GBW not found in the project administration table
This is asking me to do following things:
Synchronize the project in Change Manager with the Solution Manager. Call the Solution Manager with the transaction SOLAR_PROJECT_ADMIN, and go to the 'System Landscape' tab, and then the 'Project Cycle' tab. Select the 'Change Request Management' field, and choose 'Refresh'. Project CHARM_GBW should then be available.
Where do I have to make entry for this? I can see the entry in /TMWFLOW/PROJMAP table too. I dont know what more I need to do for this.
Problem is I cant see Project Cycle tab in System Landscape. Prakhar, frankly I am not able to find any step wise document on this part. So will you please help me with some documents on this? I am from technical side thus there is bit difficulty to understand this scenario from functional view.
I will be grateful for your help,
Thanks
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SAP Three-System Landscape

Hi All,
I have a very basic doubt - I have read umpteen times that the SAP recommendation is to use a 3-system landscape for performance reasons. One system for the developement, one for quality assurance and one for the production environment.
However, I want more clarity on what a 'system' is. Does it mean I purchase 3 mySAP ERP licenses for my implementation and then implement DEV, QAS and PRD in each of them? But would that not multiple my costs 3 times if I decide to move from legacy system to an SAP implementation?
Thanks and Regards,
Vidya.

Srividya D. wrote:>
> Yes, all clients in a single SAP software get affected if any client-independent customizing. So do you mean by having different hardware systems for the different logical systems (DEV, QAS, PRD) client-independent customizing in one client in one hardware system does not affect another client in another hardware system? But I don't quite understand this since the concept of a client is per SAP system and not hardware system.
Yes. exactly if the system are different then any config/changes will not going to affect another system until unless you move any transport. Client is a buisness unit to identify the Buisness data, It is system specific.
> By an instance if you mean an SAP Application Server, though there are multiple application servers on multiple hardware systems, the underlying Repository (nothing but database) and client-independent data should still be common right? Or do you mean that if I implement 3 instances of the SAP ERP system over 3 hardware systems, each instance or application server then has its own client space which do not interfere with the clients in the other hardware system?
I mean to say you required 3 Hardware, for 3 Database, and 3 SAP instance, 1:1 concept. everything will be seperate and will not interfare with any other system.
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Changes in development system are not excluded

Anyone had this issue in CHARM before ?
we have SLFN - SDCR - SDMJ open for a change.
Development complete and almost tested - transport of copies is in QA, but original transport is not released from DEV.
Business now wants to stop this change and close SLFN.
How can I close/cancel SDMJ ?
When I try to cancel it, I get the message "Changes in development system are not excluded" and status is not changed.
Is there a way to force close SDMJ ?
Thank you
Elena

>
Elena Ainoulina wrote:
> Anyone had this issue in CHARM before ?
>
> we have SLFN - SDCR - SDMJ open for a change.
> Development complete and almost tested - transport of copies is in QA, but original transport is not released from DEV.
> Business now wants to stop this change and close SLFN.
>
> How can I close/cancel SDMJ ?
> When I try to cancel it, I get the message "Changes in development system are not excluded" and status is not changed.
> Is there a way to force close SDMJ ?
>
> Thank you
> Elena
Elena, the system is giving you this message as a (cryptic) reminder that even though you want to close the SDMJ, you have made changes in DEV and QA that need to be reversed with another transport. Depending on your audit requirements, you may want to add these reversing entries on the same transport as a new task, or on an additional transport and send the whole thing through the normal processing. The other alternative is to execute CRM_SOCM_SERVICE_REPORT - just make sure you have reversed the changes already made to maintain the integrity of your landscape.

CHARM activation check failing on "consolidation system for development system SSA-200 in project ZTEST2

Hello,
We are implementing Charmlite and want to activate in project landscape.
We are Solution Manager 7.1 SP11 and testing this scenario in sandbox.
Steps completed:
1. in sandbox domain controller, created two virtual systems and made 3 system landscape, where, I can release the transport and see it in QA system (Virtual system buffer)
2. The LMDB has been updated with Virtual system and in SMSY, the entries of virtual system shows up. The logical components have the client information.
Issue:
in /nsolar_project_admin ->System landscape -> change management, When consistency check is performed, we get error message saying
Virtual RFC is miising (I am guessing, it should be okay)
The logical component is incosistent (This might be the reason the CHARM is not getting activated.
"No consolidation system for development system SSA-200 in project ZTEST2
No track for project ZTEST2 with log. system SSA/200"
For me, when i look in satellite system, the consolidation system is a virtual system and it should be fine.
Please advise
Regards,
Durga PK Saitana

Thank you Karthik. Still the problem persists
I went through the blog earlier. I created l ABAP instance manually in SLD and moved into LMDB and can see the entry in SMSY. (I did not see any option of putting virtual flag)
We were trying harmonization of RFC from note 1384598 and since we had virtual systems, went with domain links.
After domain links, the virtual systems are read. the Dev ABAP system is not able to find the consolidated system. In the satellite system, I can release transport and move the transport.
Not sure, why this issue is persistent.

What is 4 system landscape

Hi to all,
May i know what is 4 system landscape? I can't get it,
I have faced it in an interview, plz help me in this way.
Thank u

Hi Ravi,
XID - XI development system.here we can develop the objects.
XIQ - XI quality system.
here we can test the objects developed in XID.
XIP - XI production system.here we use the objects for real time.
And another is Sandbox - this system is used for training purpose.
Reward points if this helps.
Regards
Vani.
Edited by: Vani on Apr 28, 2008 5:19 AM

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