20 State Limit

I am trying out this software. Its easy to use and straight forward. What will prevent me from using it is the 20 State limit.
I am building a court exhibit that will have over 200 exhibit images. Some, of these images will have roll-overs showing photos.
My hope was to construct this all in Catalyst. I don’t know any other Flash Program and Catalyst was recommended because of is easy learning curb and relative simplicity .
My guess is that I will have to build custom components nested in each State. I am not sure how to add the roll over’s for specific exhibits with that does not affect the other images in the Custom Components?
Right?
Is there away to link the output HTML files so I can create a chain of SWF / HTML files and avoid the complexity of using Custom Components?
Are there other programs that I can use other then Catalyst?
Imposed limitations like these in software are not logical. To try and figure out how to do the same thing using a more complex tool does not help. I am glad I did not purchase this program and used the trial.
Thank you for any help.
Daniel
Edited for clarity

Ok.
So I placed one image exhibit on State 1. I then made it a custom component.
I edited the custom component and create additional States within the component. On one of those States I added a roll-over.
All of it worked.
My question is what’s the difference in performance if I am still going to add 200 odd exhibits in Custom Component States vs. the main application states?
Will I run into any performance issues?
What am I missing or mistakes should I avoid.
Again, thanks for any help.

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The 20 page/state limit in Flash Catalyst is there to prevent Catalyst (and your finished application) from running slowly. You can however build efficient applications that have more than 20 states by using custom components. Custom components can contain states as well; so by creating an app that has several states, and using custom components that have states, you can get more unique views of your app while keeping it efficiently built.
Try this:
1. Select some of your arwork where you need more states. Right click and choose "Convert to Custom Component"
2. Double-click to edit the custom component. Note that you can now create states in the custom component. Try creating a few states here.
3. To exit editing the component, double click a blank area on the artboard.
4. If you try creating an "On click transition to state" interaction now you will see that you can choose from both the states of the application as well as the states of the custom component.
Answered by: Ty Voliter. See entire discussion.
More help:
Video tutorial on custom components
Video/demo discussing the benefits of "pushing interactivity down" into custom components, by Ian Giblin @ MAX 2009
(jump to the 11:15 mark, and watch through to about 20:30)
Another forum post by Ty:
Here's an ASCII diagram to illustrate one way of pushing application or top-level pages/states down into a custom component:
Before:
State1     State2     State3     State4     State5     State6     State7...
After (project refactored to push three top-level states down into a custom component):
State1     State2     State3      State7...
                    |
Custom Component
State4     State5     State6
For some projects this can be an inconvenient workaround, and for others it can really clean things up by reducing complexity. If you have several top-level pages in your app that are completely different than other pages (for example, they don't share any objects with the other states) than pushing these down into a custom component makes things a lot more manageable in Catalyst. The layers panel, for example, shows all objects across all states-- this is useful when your states share many objects. If however, your states don't share a lot of objects, the layers panel can get a bit unmanageable. Refactoring into a custom component allows you to fix this by grouping content into a container.

The 20 page/state limit in Flash Catalyst is there to prevent Catalyst (and your finished application) from running slowly. You can however build efficient applications that have more than 20 states by using custom components. Custom components can contain states as well; so by creating an app that has several states, and using custom components that have states, you can get more unique views of your app while keeping it efficiently built.
Try this:
1. Select some of your arwork where you need more states. Right click and choose "Convert to Custom Component"
2. Double-click to edit the custom component. Note that you can now create states in the custom component. Try creating a few states here.
3. To exit editing the component, double click a blank area on the artboard.
4. If you try creating an "On click transition to state" interaction now you will see that you can choose from both the states of the application as well as the states of the custom component.
Answered by: Ty Voliter. See entire discussion.
More help:
Video tutorial on custom components
Video/demo discussing the benefits of "pushing interactivity down" into custom components, by Ian Giblin @ MAX 2009
(jump to the 11:15 mark, and watch through to about 20:30)
Another forum post by Ty:
Here's an ASCII diagram to illustrate one way of pushing application or top-level pages/states down into a custom component:
Before:
State1     State2     State3     State4     State5     State6     State7...
After (project refactored to push three top-level states down into a custom component):
State1     State2     State3      State7...
                    |
Custom Component
State4     State5     State6
For some projects this can be an inconvenient workaround, and for others it can really clean things up by reducing complexity. If you have several top-level pages in your app that are completely different than other pages (for example, they don't share any objects with the other states) than pushing these down into a custom component makes things a lot more manageable in Catalyst. The layers panel, for example, shows all objects across all states-- this is useful when your states share many objects. If however, your states don't share a lot of objects, the layers panel can get a bit unmanageable. Refactoring into a custom component allows you to fix this by grouping content into a container.

State limit workaround does not work

Hi (again)
I just hit the 20-state limit and is trying to get the work around to work. I have this:
Button
On click play transtion to customcomponent: Gallery_page1
when in any state
Nothing happens when the button is clicked. I have followed all the turorials but the dont work for me. Any ideas?
Thanks!
/Tobias

Hum. Are you using 1.0 or the Panini Preview Release?
Without seeing the structure, it is hard to resolve. Would you mind posting it here, or via private message?
Chris

Why doesn't anyone care about the 20 states limit!!!

Need i say more...??? This product would change the way you present interactive media on-line... But the 20 state limit is a deal breaker! I'm not looking for a discussion on ways around this product flaw, but some words of encouragement from users and creative minds letting adobe know the possibilities this product has, if the handcuffs are taken off... (the overtaking of the power-point market alone should be enough to raise the limit) Just my thoughts...

Shane-
I hear you frustration on the 20 state limit. I would suggest that if you are approaching the 20 state limit with a project, then it might be time to consider using code to drive the application, rather than laying everything out in static states. Now, I understand this might be beyond the reach of some users of Flash Catalyst, but you can add some basic code to read a data file (XML) and have the application be driven by that method instead. In that case, you are no longer bound by the 20 state limit. I see this all the time with people developing their portfolio sites.
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The log-in server behavior creates a session variable for the
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"MM_Username". You can use that session variable as your filter
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Intel C-state Package Limit

Today, while simply browsing, I got a BSOD x124. I googled and saw munaim1's thread (http://www.overclock.net/t/1120291/solving-fixing-bsod-124-on-sandybridge-read-op-first). He suggested to disable C3 and C6. In my mobo its under Intel C-state Package Limit. I have 5 options, C0 / C2 / C6 / No limit and Auto. I guess for me to disable C3 and C6, I have to Disable Intel C-state Package Limit? Not sure if it's ok to disable this, I tried to google for more solution but no luck. I played for hours and hours and no problem. It was my first time getting that bsod. Anyone?
My Original OC Settings: When I got BSOD x124:
CPU Base Frequency [10kHz] [10000]
Adjust CPU Ratio [33]
Adjust CPU Ratio in OS [Disabled]
Internal PLL Overvoltage [Enabled]
EIST [Enabled]
Intel Turbo Boost [Enabled]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) [Disabled]
RAM Frequency [DDR3-1866MHz]
DRAM Timing Mode [Link]
DRAM Configuration 1T-9-9-9-26
Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
VDroop Control [Low VDroop]
CPU Core Voltage [Auto]
CPU I/O Voltage [Auto]
DRAM Voltage [1.456 V]
System Agent Voltage(SA) [Auto]
CPU PLL Voltage [Auto]
DDR_VREF_CA_A [Auto]
DDR_VREF_CA_B [Auto]
DDR_VREF_DA_A [Auto]
DDR_VREF_DA_B [Auto]
PCH 1.05 [Auto]
CPU Features
Active Processor Cores [All]
Limit CPUID Maximum [Disabled]
Execute Disable Bit [Enabled]
Intel Virtualisation Tech [Enabled]
Intel VT-D Tech [Disabled]
Power Technology [Custom]
C1E Support [Disabled]
Overspeed Protection [Disabled]
Intel C-State [Enabled]
Package C State Limit [No Limit]
Long Duration Power Limit (W) 200
Long Duration Maintained (s) 2500
Short Duration Power Limit (W) 250
Primary Plane Turbo Power Limit (W) 250
1-Core Ratio Limit 45
2-Core Ratio Limit 45
3-Core Ratio Limit 45
4-Core Ratio Limit 45
New Settings After BSOD x124: (Changes are labeled with *)
CPU Features
Active Processor Cores [All]
Limit CPUID Maximum [Disabled]
Execute Disable Bit [Enabled]
* Intel Virtualisation Tech [Disabled]
Intel VT-D Tech [Disabled]
Power Technology [Custom]
* C1E Support [Enabled]
Overspeed Protection [Disabled]
* Intel C-State [Disabled]
Long Duration Power Limit (W) 200
Long Duration Maintained (s) 2500
Short Duration Power Limit (W) 250
Primary Plane Turbo Power Limit (W) 250
1-Core Ratio Limit 45
2-Core Ratio Limit 45
3-Core Ratio Limit 45
4-Core Ratio Limit 45

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Active Processor Cores [All]
Limit CPUID Maximum [Disabled]
Execute Disable Bit [Enabled]
Intel Virtualisation Tech [Disabled]
Intel VT-D Tech [Disabled]
Power Technology [Custom]
C1E Support [Enabled]
Overspeed Protection [Disabled]
Intel C-State [Enabled]
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Long Duration Power Limit (W) 200
Long Duration Maintained (s) 2500
Short Duration Power Limit (W) 250
Primary Plane Turbo Power Limit (W) 250
1-Core Ratio Limit 43
2-Core Ratio Limit 43
3-Core Ratio Limit 43
4-Core Ratio Limit 43
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CPU Base Frequency [10kHz]   [10000]
Adjust CPU Ratio      [45]
Adjust CPU Ratio in OS      [Disabled]
Internal PLL Overvoltage   [Enabled]
EIST            [Enabled]
Intel Turbo Boost      [Disabled]
DRAM Frequency         [DDR3-1866MHz]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P)   [Disabled]
DRAM Timing Mode      [Link]
DRAM Configuration      1T-9-9-9-26
Spread Spectrum         [Disabled]
VDroop Control         [Low VDroop]
CPU Core Voltage      [1.36v]
CPU I/O Voltage         [Auto]
DRAM Voltage         [1.456v]
System Agent Voltage (SA)   [Auto]
CPU PLL Voltage         [Auto]
PCH 1.05         [Auto]
DDR_VREF_CA_A         [Auto]
DDR_VREF_CA_B         [Auto]
DDR_VREF_DA_A         [Auto]
DDR_VREF_DA_B         [Auto]
CPU Features
Active Processor Cores      [All]
Limit CPUID Maximum      [Disabled]
Execute Disable Bit      [Enabled]
Intel Virtualisation Tech   [Disabled]
Intel VT-D Tech         [Disabled]
Power Technology      [Custom]
C1E Support         [Enabled]
Overspeed Protection      [Disabled]
Intel C-State         [Enabled]
Package C State Limit      [No Limit]

20 State Limitation... best practice for FC 5.5

After reading past posts, I'm aware of the 20 State limitation within the app. Having said that, is there such a thing as "best practice" to increase the number of States? Using Flash Pro is not an option. Thank you and much appreciated.

You need to look at grouping you design into custom components to get around the 20 state limit, or you might have to introduce real code to the project via Flash Builder.
Chris

Limit Dimension to a level? error! error!

in OLAP worksheet
step 1: show all members of channels_dim
->report channels_dim
CHANNELS_DIM
CHANNEL.2
CHANNEL.3
CHANNEL.4
CHANNEL.5
CHANNEL.9
CHANNEL_CLASS.12
CHANNEL_CLASS.13
CHANNEL_CLASS.14
CHANNEL_TOTAL.1
step 2: show all levels of channels_dim
->report channels_dim_levellist
CHANNELS_DIM_LEVELLIST
CHANNEL
CHANNEL_CLASS
CHANNEL_TOTAL
step 3:limit channels_dim dimension to 'CHANNEL' level
->limit channels_dim keep channels_dim_levellist 'CHANNEL'
step 4:show status of channels_dim
->report channels_dim
CHANNELS_DIM
CHANNEL.2
Why it has only one member in status?
why not for CHANNEL.2,CHANNEL.3,CHANNEL.4,CHANNEL.5,CHANNEL.9?
Please give me a hand!

Use the relation instead in the limit statement:
limit channels_dim keep channels_dim_levelrel 'CHANNEL'
This will work.
Suresh.

SELECT statement (urgent!)

Could you please help me with the following statement?
The FROM clause is incorrect but i don't know what i should write.
Thank you in advance.
Maria.
DECLARE
A NUMBER;
CURSOR C1 IS
SELECT TABLE_NAME, COLUMN_NAME
FROM USER_TAB_COLUMNS
WHERE NULLABLE='N' AND TABLE_NAME LIKE 'P_%';
BEGIN
FOR i IN C1
LOOP
SELECT COUNT(*) INTO A
FROM i.TABLE_NAME
WHERE i.COLUMN_NAME IS NOT NULL;
END LOOP;
END;
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FOR-LOOP
Whereas the number of iterations through a WHILE loop is unknown until the loop completes, the number of iterations through a FOR loop is known before the loop is entered. FOR loops iterate over a specified range of integers. The range is part of an iteration scheme, which is enclosed by the keywords FOR and LOOP. A double dot (..) serves as the range operator. The syntax follows:
FOR counter IN [REVERSE] lower_bound..higher_bound LOOP
sequence_of_statements
END LOOP;
The range is evaluated when the FOR loop is first entered and is never re-evaluated.
As the next example shows, the sequence of statements is executed once for each integer in the range. After each iteration, the loop counter is incremented.
FOR i IN 1..3 LOOP -- assign the values 1,2,3 to i
sequence_of_statements -- executes three times
END LOOP;
The following example shows that if the lower bound equals the higher bound, the sequence of statements is executed once:
FOR i IN 3..3 LOOP -- assign the value 3 to i
sequence_of_statements -- executes one time
END LOOP;
By default, iteration proceeds upward from the lower bound to the higher bound. However, as the example below shows, if you use the keyword REVERSE, iteration proceeds downward from the higher bound to the lower bound. After each iteration, the loop counter is decremented. Nevertheless, you write the range bounds in ascending (not descending) order.
FOR i IN REVERSE 1..3 LOOP -- assign the values 3,2,1 to i
sequence_of_statements -- executes three times
END LOOP;
Inside a FOR loop, the loop counter can be referenced like a constant but cannot be assigned values, as the following example shows:
FOR ctr IN 1..10 LOOP
IF NOT finished THEN
INSERT INTO ... VALUES (ctr, ...); -- legal
factor := ctr * 2; -- legal
ELSE
ctr := 10; -- not allowed
END IF;
END LOOP;
Iteration Schemes
The bounds of a loop range can be literals, variables, or expressions but must evaluate to numbers. Otherwise, PL/SQL raises the predefined exception VALUE_ERROR. The lower bound need not be 1, as the examples below show. However, the loop counter increment (or decrement) must be 1.
j IN -5..5
k IN REVERSE first..last
step IN 0..TRUNC(high/low) * 2
Internally, PL/SQL assigns the values of the bounds to temporary PLS_INTEGER variables, and, if necessary, rounds the values to the nearest integer. The magnitude range of a PLS_INTEGER is -2**31 .. 2**31. So, if a bound evaluates to a number outside that range, you get a numeric overflow error when PL/SQL attempts the assignment, as the following example shows:
DECLARE
hi NUMBER := 2**32;
BEGIN
FOR j IN 1..hi LOOP -- causes a 'numeric overflow' error
END LOOP;
END;
Some languages provide a STEP clause, which lets you specify a different increment (5 instead of 1 for example). PL/SQL has no such structure, but you can easily build one. Inside the FOR loop, simply multiply each reference to the loop counter by the new increment. In the following example, you assign today's date to elements 5, 10, and 15 of an index-by table:
DECLARE
TYPE DateList IS TABLE OF DATE INDEX BY BINARY_INTEGER;
dates DateList;
k CONSTANT INTEGER := 5; -- set new increment
BEGIN
FOR j IN 1..3 LOOP
dates(j*k) := SYSDATE; -- multiply loop counter by increment
END LOOP;
END;
Dynamic Ranges
PL/SQL lets you determine the loop range dynamically at run time, as the following example shows:
SELECT COUNT(empno) INTO emp_count FROM emp;
FOR i IN 1..emp_count LOOP
END LOOP;
The value of emp_count is unknown at compile time; the SELECT statement returns the value at run time.
What happens if the lower bound of a loop range evaluates to a larger integer than the upper bound? As the next example shows, the sequence of statements within the loop is not executed and control passes to the next statement:
-- limit becomes 1
FOR i IN 2..limit LOOP
sequence_of_statements -- executes zero times
END LOOP;
-- control passes here
Scope Rules
The loop counter is defined only within the loop. You cannot reference it outside the loop. After the loop is exited, the loop counter is undefined, as the following example shows:
FOR ctr IN 1..10 LOOP
END LOOP;
sum := ctr - 1; -- not allowed
You need not explicitly declare the loop counter because it is implicitly declared as a local variable of type INTEGER. The next example shows that the local declaration hides any global declaration:
DECLARE
ctr INTEGER;
BEGIN
FOR ctr IN 1..25 LOOP
IF ctr > 10 THEN ... -- refers to loop counter
END LOOP;
END;
To reference the global variable in this example, you must use a label and dot notation, as follows:
<<main>>
DECLARE
ctr INTEGER;
BEGIN
FOR ctr IN 1..25 LOOP
IF main.ctr > 10 THEN -- refers to global variable
END IF;
END LOOP;
END main;
The same scope rules apply to nested FOR loops. Consider the example below. Both loop counters have the same name. So, to reference the outer loop counter from the inner loop, you must use a label and dot notation, as follows:
<<outer>>
FOR step IN 1..25 LOOP
FOR step IN 1..10 LOOP
IF outer.step > 15 THEN ...
END LOOP;
END LOOP outer;
Using the EXIT Statement
The EXIT statement lets a FOR loop complete prematurely. For example, the following loop normally executes ten times, but as soon as the FETCH statement fails to return a row, the loop completes no matter how many times it has executed:
FOR j IN 1..10 LOOP
FETCH c1 INTO emp_rec;
EXIT WHEN c1%NOTFOUND;
END LOOP;
Suppose you must exit from a nested FOR loop prematurely. You can complete not only the current loop, but any enclosing loop. Simply label the enclosing loop that you want to complete. Then, use the label in an EXIT statement to specify which FOR loop to exit, as follows:
<<outer>>
FOR i IN 1..5 LOOP
FOR j IN 1..10 LOOP
FETCH c1 INTO emp_rec;
EXIT outer WHEN c1%NOTFOUND; -- exit both FOR loops
END LOOP;
END LOOP outer;
-- control passes here
Joel P�rez

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Hi there, I recently downloaded the trial of Catalyst 5.5 and am encountering the following problem:-
I have many screens in my application and am attempting to get around the 20 state limit by creating custom components that contain multiple states that can be used as screens. So, I have created button links between the component states which work fine but have also created button links to and from the standard states of the application, which dont work upon running/publishing. I'm not quite sure whats wrong here as the button commands are pointing to the right place, i.e. they are pointing firstly to the specific custom component and then the state within the component, but its just not working.
Is this a trial issue or something deeper?
I really hope someone can help as apart from this issue I have been very happy with the application but if I can not find a solution theres no point in purchasing it.
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Ive had the same problem. Im trying to create an interactive e-book but im having problmes with the limit of states. I have now worked out that i have to create custom components to create a sub-state but im finding it difficult to go between sub states. Help anyone?

Need 50 states of same page

First time poster, looking for some help on dealing with the 20 state limit in Catalyst. I know that the typical answer to this type of question is to use Custom Components but after trying this, I don't think that will work for my specific needs (although I would love to be wrong).
Here is what I am trying to accomplish: I have a US map with two layers, the top layer is gray and the bottom is red. Each US state is its own vector image and I have converted each into a button in FC. There are hidden layers to the right of the map that list the retail stores that carry my company's products by state. What I want to happen is that when each state (geographic, not FC) is rolled over, the gray layer for that state disappears (turning it red) and the list of stores for that state appear to the right. I found this very simple to do until I reached the 20 state limit.
I've tried using a custom component but run into the same issue, I bump into the 20 state limit just one level down.
I'd really appreciate any help with this!
Thanks,
Nate

forgetfulgentleman wrote:
Frank,
Thanks for your reply.
I have each US state as a separate button component. The trouble I'm having is that when I convert the Store Listing information to a custom component for the buttons to link to, I am still limited by only being able to create 20 states. Am I missing something?
You said you are converting "the Store Listing information to a custom component for the buttons to link to, I am still limited by only being able to create 20 states." What do you have on the 20 states of a single custom component?

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Limit Sensor / Home Sensor Electrical Connections
LIMIT/HOME WIRING COLORS
+VDC - Brown
Ground - Blue
Signal - Black
I believe the +VDC (Brown) and the Ground (Blue) get connected to a 5V Power source. That leaves me the Signal (Black). Do I wire this into the corresponding Limit Switch locations in the UMI?
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Interconnect Devices Inc.
Electrical Test Engeiner
[email protected]

Nick,
If your limit switches are sinking, you would need to have the "signal" wire connected to the limit input - which would sink the signal to ground.
The limit inputs have pullup resistor to pull them high - so if nothing is connected to the limit input, the signal will be high. A switch is used to pull it low by sinking to ground.
If your limit switches are normally closed, you will have to set the polarity in Measurement and Automation Explorer (MAX) to active-high - since the signal is always pulled low until the limit is reached which will open the circuit and cause the line to be pulled high by the pullup resistors. In this case, a high signal = active.
If the home switch is normally open, then polarity in MAX would be active-low.
See the UMI-7764 Users Guide figure 7 (page 8) for Limit and Home switch connection
Hopefully that explains the connections better.

MSI BIG BANG MARSHAL -- UEFI-(Click-BIOS)-BETA Releases [MS-7670]

I will upload the latest available BETA Release for the BIG BANG MARSHAL mainboard: E7670IMS.113 [v1.1b3]
Changelog:
E7670IMS.100 ---> E7670IMS.113
- Fixed the system will hang in blank screen when press F11 to select UEFI DVD installing 64Bit OS issue.
- Fix DRAM Timing not match SPD value.
- Add the new BOM support.
- Improve mouse compatibility in bios setup menu.
- Change the Package C State limit item default value.
- Fix the PC Health Status show N/A issue when use the User PassWord entering the Setup.
- Fix can not entering dos mode issue when onboard lan controller set disabled.
- Fix plug 4 dimm G-Skill F3-12800CL7D boot fail when XMP enabled.
- Fix mouse click will hang 0Dh in some page when entering setup with user password.
Flash/use this release at your own risk!
For BIOS Update: >>Use the MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<<

Hey guys real quick. So after updating to the new 7670IMS>310 bios so that I may use my GTX780s, I reinstalled with windows 8. Everything was fine until I was on teamviewer just last nite and upon switcing sides my bios got corrupted. How do I know you ask? Upon getting back into windows my LANS did not work so I had not internet connection. I tried uninstalling it from Device Manager and deleting it. After a few clrmos. I thought I would switch over to the other bios and see if the LAN works and it does because of the status lights because now it lights up. So I switch back to main bios and LAN works but it would not post whatsoever and just cycles through post finally ending with a " DE ". Not sure what the new LED DEBUG codes are but if someone could post it would be nice to be able to refer to it.
Anyways on win 8, no matter what it will not let me into windows And when it looks like it will...gives me "your pc ran into problems and we are collecting data and we'll restart after" message. After a few of these wonderful messages, I decided I was going to flash my bios again. It did look like I was sucessful until after restart it did the same thing. Going through post I saw 19,15 then shuts off. Does this and ends with "DE" pc still on but nothing. No windows.
I got lucky a few times and was able to get into my bios and decided I was going back to Win 7 64......I put the good ole XFX6990 back in and got windows 7 to reinstall and continue to flash my bios to an older one. I used your method before and it work> from 3.0 back to 1.5 then from 1.5 back to 1.2 for OC purposes. So i tried that method but it looked like it just reflash it with 3.1, odd.
So after a few restarts everything seems fine, no cycles just normal. When I reboot normal process no double boots or cycles this time so I thought hey, that fixed my corrupted bios somehow. I thought I gotten lucky.... So I switch out the good old 6990 and in with my 780s. Reinstalled win 7 and upon completion of windows update. Again with the cycles of 19,15 turns off does this again over and over like 5 or 6 times and ends with "DE"
And this is where I'm at atm. I remember when I DL'd the flasher and bios. I only saw 2 files which was " VALVE CHECK AND E7670IMS.310".
When I tried to do it again with the same method as the first I have "
#BIOS
#BK_6.Z7
#EFIFLASH
#MSIHQ(icon)
#MSIHQ_INFO
#MT420"
This time it does not go through the same when flashing, just tells me bios update complete. I've done this a million times and all have been successful.
Basically I'm still on 3.1 bios but I 'm curious as what other methods do you suggest I try now? I have left everything alone after reinstalling windows and updates. Everything seems okay, reboots fine no cycles and still get the random hit or miss with 15,19 turns off cycles and ends with "DE". Would like to get a resolution if possible. Thank you and I know I said real quick right, but really. Thanks for any help.
I'm going nuts!!

Tweaking Turbo Mode

I've been reading through all these threads trying to come to grips with all the new features available in the Z77A-GD65 BIOS because I haven't overclocked in several years. In that time I'm afraid I've lost what little mojo I had in that regard. I originally wanted to just overclock all 4 cores manually and leave it at that since I know the CPU I have can handle 4.8GHz very easily. (I had it on my P67A-GD65 for about 2 years at 4.8 with no problems)
Sure...I could take the time to research each of these settings on my system, but I would prefer not to burn up my new motherboard and CPU.
As I said previously, I'd just manually overclock my CPU to the highest level possible and leave it there, but when I got this Z77A-GD65 this "Turbo mode" thing has me intrigued...
It seems to be enabled on my board and my CPU goes as high as 3.8GHz when running Unengine Valley.
As I was reading through one of the other threads I saw Froggy mention the Turbo method of overclocking. Can someone educate me on how to set that up on the Z77A-GD65?
Currently, Turbo increases my clockspeed to 3.8GHz, but no higher even when I set the CPU Multiplier to 40 in BIOS.
I used to run this 2600K CPU on my P67A-GD65 and I know for a fact it will do 4.8GHz at 1.31v and never see north of 75°C under stress testing (Intel Burn Test, High Stress Mode, 30 passes)
I would prefer to use Turbo Mode on this board instead of a manual overclock, but I am unsure what needs to be changed in BIOS.
If someone would be kind enough to explain how to change my turbo modes to the following, I'd appreciate it.
1 Core - 4.6GHz
2 Core - 4.5GHz
3 Core - 4.5GHz
4 Core - 4.5GHz
I saw one of Froggy's posts where he states the following:
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For PLL, I use 1.82-1.84v's range. I/O 1.07v's. SA 0.965-0.970v's range. The industry recommended maximum for the CPU V. on an everyday machine is not to exceed 1.400v's. Do not go by the Intel maximum, as that is the 'absolute' maximum. Between 1.400v's and 1.52v's, you can expect degradation. Difficult to predict the severity as each Intel CPU is somewhat unique in that regard. CPU temperature, try to keep it around low 70C's or less under full load.
but I don't knwo what half the acronyms mean since I haven't overclocked in so long.
Enable PLL Overvolting (1.82v-1.84v) I understand
I/O - ???
SA - ???
CPU V - 1.32v should be way more than enough for my cpu based on what it used to be set to in my P67A-GD65
I know this CPU can handle the speed increase, I just need some assistance getting there since there are about a gazillion more features in this BIOS than there were in my P67A.
One caveat: I do not use Control Center. I have never had any luck whatsoever with that program and it has, in fact, caused me more headaches than it has cured.
I have tools like CPUZ, GPUZ, Core Temp, and Corsair Link for my monitoring needs.

Quote from: xmad on 22-April-13, 22:44:29
Using the Turbo method, you usually leave all voltages and the cpu multiplier at "auto".
The Turbo Multiplier setting are in CPU Features
See examples here:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=162043.0
Thanks for the quick response!
If I understand your screenshots (I'm at work not in front of my gaming box) I should make the following changes in my BIOS
Adjust CPU Ratio - Auto
Adjust CPU Ratio in OS – Disabled
Internal PLL Overvoltage – Enabled
EIST – Enabled
Turbo Boost – Enabled
Enhanced Turbo – Disabled
OC Genie Function – By Onboard Button
My OC Genie – Disabled
DRAM Frequency – DDR3 2133MHz (Note to Self: Test your RAM to see if it will run at [email protected]) (It's Kingston HyperX Beast 2400MHz spec'd to run at 1.6 but it's at 1.55v in BIOS at 1333MHz. I could leave it there if needed)
Extreme Memory Profile – Disabled
DRAM Timing – Link
VDroop – +75% or +87.5% or +100% (Depending on my particular CPU)
Digital Compensation Level – High
CPU Core OCP Expander – Default
Core Switching Freq – Auto
CPU Core Voltage – auto
CPU I/O Voltage – Auto
DRAM Voltage – 1.55-1.57 at MOST)
System Agent Voltage (Found what SA means! lol) – Auto
Active Processor Cores – All
Limit CPUID Max – Disabled
Execute Disable Bit – Enabled
Power Technology - Custom
C1E Support – Enabled (Disabled on XMAD’s screenshot by accident)
Overspeed Protection – Disabled
Intel C State – Enabled
Package C State Limit – Auto
LDPM – 255
LDM – 2
SDPM – 255
PPCL – 1024
SPCL – 32
PPTPL – 0
SPTPL – 0
1 through 4 core Ratio Limit – 46,45,45,45 (I think these settings are for the Turbo's max setting so set to 4.5GHz for 4 cores, and 4.6 for one)

Overclocking using ITB problems

My gear summary:
i7-2600k, watercooled (XSPC Raystorm block, stock, idle 27-32c, load highest core ~45-47)
Z68A-GD55-G3 (E7681IMSvP80, 26.8)
Kingston HyperX Genesis DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz (4 sticks, 16gb total)
inno3D GTX480 SLI (2 cards), watercooled, idle ~33, load ~45
OCZ ZX 1000W psu
Corsair Force3 120gb ssd
I have done ITB auto voltage overclock in the past and it worked. Then i updated bios and it didn't work anymore and i didn't bother retrying. Don't remember details as it was some time ago. Now that i watercooled i want to try again. But it just doesn't work...
Just now i updated bios to freshest beta (see gear summary).
(My annotations in red)
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Hi all, thought I would write a quick guide on my settings for the MSI Z68 GD65 (G3) and it's UEFI BIOS
Remember your mileage may vary...
Why would you want to overclock with the CPU voltage set to auto?
Well it seems that to get the power saving features to work properly you need to keep the CPU Core Voltage set to auto.
When the CPU voltage is set manually, the multiplier will drop but the volts remain at the manually set level. So if you would like to have the voltage at <1.0 on idle but still have a nice OC when you load the CPU then this could be a good route to take.
This method will use EIST (Enhanced Intel Speedstep Technology) and Intel Turbo Boost to overclock your CPU.
Load up the BIOS and navigate to the "Overclocking settings" tab on the left.
Here you should see the first page of the overclocking settings.
CPU Base Frequency [10kHz] 10000
Adjust CPU Ratio [34] This was set to 16 by me
Note I have left this at 34 as we will be using the Intel Turbo Boost to get the overclock.
Adjust CPU ratio in OS [Disabled]
Internal PLL Overvoltage [Disabled]
Originally I had this set to enabled, however at my 24/7 OC @4.5 mine is stable when disabled. I have read when enabled it can cause problems when using Sleep.
EIST [Enabled]
We need this enabled to allow the Turbo Boost to work.
Intel Turbo Boost [Enabled]
The limit of the Turbo Boost will be set later on in the "CPU Features" section.
Now i have something called "Enhanced Boost" or some such ?
DRAM Frequency [DDR3-1600Mhz] Why bios detects 1333 ?
Set this to the required speed of your own RAM.
Extreme Memory Profile(XMP) [Disabled]
I have mine disabled but you can enable if you like just remember to manually set the DRAM Voltage.
DRAM Timing Mode [Link]
Using this option will allow you to set the Advanced DRAM Configuration.
Advanced DRAM Configuration Dont think i changed this last time
In here you can configure your memory timings, I have set the first five manually according to my RAM specifications from G Skill.
Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
VDroop Control [Low VDroop] Previous bios(P60?) had numeric voltages, not low/high, beta has only LOW
Set this to Low VDroop to help limit any fluctuation in voltage when the system is under load.
CPU Core Voltage [Auto]
Left on Auto to allow the power saving features to function.
CPU I/O Voltage [Auto]
DRAM Voltage [1.507 V] Cant set it to this, next step is 1.5055, numeric input sets back to AUTO
Set manually as the motherboard tends to set the volts below the recommended for my RAM.
Onto the second page of the "Overclocking Settings"
GPU Voltage [Auto]
System Agent Voltage(SA) [Auto]
CPU PLL Voltage [1.800000 V] Cant set to this, next step is 1.8100, numeric input returns to AUTO
Set manually just to prevent it from being set to high by the MB.
DDR_VREF_CA_A [Auto]
DDR_VREF_CA_B [Auto]
DDR_VREF_DA_A [Auto]
DDR_VREF_DA_B [Auto]
PCH 1.05 [Auto]
Next navigate into the "CPU Features" section.
Hyper-threading [Enabled]
Active Processor Cores [All]
Limit CPUID Maximum [Disabled]
Execute Disable Bit [Enabled]
Intel Virtualization Tech [Enabled]
Power technology [Custom]
C1E Support [Disabled]
Possibly better performance than using C-State (needs confirmation) can also be used in conjunction with C-States
OverSpeed Protection [Disabled]
Intel C-State [Enabled]
Lower vcore on idle than C1E
Intel C-State limit [C2] There is no C2 state if setting using ClickBIOS, i use normal bios, just a comment
Originally set to Auto, but changed to C2 to enhance performance.
Long duration power limit(W) 200
Long duration maintained(ms) 1000
Short duration power limit(W) 250
Primary plane turbo power limit(W) 0
Secondary plane turbo power limit(W) 0
There is also some other pri/sec settings, not covered here
Now comes the interesting bit... the following will give the Intel Turbo Boost the limits of the Overclock. You may need to start lower down, say from 42-45 and see if your PC will load into Windows and is stable.
I started from 45 and found out I can go to 48 which is obviously 4.8GHz.
At 48 I can load Windows, can do 10 passes of very high with IBT, and is Prime stable for 6 hours. That's as much stability testing as I have done so far.
At 49 I can load Windows but as soon as any real load goes on the CPU it will bluescreen.
1-Core ratio Limit 48
2-Core ratio Limit 48
3-Core ratio Limit 48
4-Core ratio Limit 48
Next onto the Power settings under the "Energy Saving" tab.
EUP 2013 [Disabled]
CPU Phase Control [Intel SVID Mode] There is no "SVID MODE" selection, just AUTO and DISABLED
Motherboard LED Control [Auto]
C1E support [Disabled]
Intel C-state [Enabled]
Package C State limit [C2] Again, there is no C2 if setting from ClickBIOS, its there in normal bios.
And that's it just go to the "Mainboard settings" Tab save settings and reboot.
Once you are in Windows the power saving features should be enabled, giving you lower clocks and volts when you don't need them,
And a nice OC when you do
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Used it before, now it doesnt work because some options are not available.
Namely "Intel VIDS mode" only disabled or auto, some other setings differ as well.
Could someone more experienced look it through and tell me where i'm making a mistake ?
For the record, i can do a constant OC, but i'm after power efficiency as well, no need to run 4.7 when you browsing internet...
Using this guide i was running 1.6ghz while no/light load and automatic 4.6 while gaming.
Now, i set most of the settings but ITB just wont swich gear...
Help ?

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#Edit1# Nope, multiplier not chaniging under load (prime95)...
Hmm...........will have to think about this for awhile.
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