60i, 30p or 24p Frame Rates?

I have a Canon XL2 and it allows me to record in 3 different frame rates. I'm wondering if you guys can tell me which one is the best for most all recordings such as weddings and things. Also, I was recording, pausing, and changing those settings during a single recording and when loading into FCP I get time code errors and had trouble getting them to load. Is this normal or is something else maybe wrong?
Thanks,
glenn

Your best bet is to experiment with each and see what you like. Stuff I do either ends up on the web or on a DVD so I usually shoot the 24p Advanced on my DVX... the XL2 has the same setting.
That will let you REMOVE the cadence it adds and actually edit in 24frames per second.
However... when you shoot that mode, NEVER:
1) turn the camera off without stopping the record with the red button
2) review your material and start recording again
3) Don't trust the find-end-frame feature either
That said... the rest is easy.
If you do have different scene styles recorded on the same tape, use the log and capture feature to get it off the tape.
Also, read this page:
http://www.adamwilt.com/24p/
It deals with the DVX, but the XL2 is the Canon answer to it and has all the same tc features.
Good luck,
CaptM

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I'm a little unsure of how this works. I have an FCP project set at XDCAM EX 1080p24. I'd like to preserve 24 frames per second for a "film" look in the final product, which right now is ultimately a burning of a DVD using DVD Studio Pro.
Should I be using a different setting in Compressor to achieve 24 frames per second? Am I missing a switch to toggle in Compressor? Or FCP? Or DVD Studio Pro? Or... is my final DVD product, which is listed at 29.97, actually preserving the 24 frames and I'm just seeing things incorrectly? (It looks video-ish.)
thanks,
Shanked

Hi Jerry,
To respond to your info request: my "settings" indicate my Editing Timebase is 23.98.
Moreover...
Editing Timebase: 23.98
1920x1080 HDTV 1080i 16:9
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Square
XDCAM EX 1080p24 VBR 35Mb/s
Quality: 100%
Audio: 48khz
Audio Depth: 16bit
Indeed, to achieve a film look I undertook the following steps in production and post...
shot 24p
shot with a Letus Adapter and Zeiss lenses
created an appealing depth of field where possible
avoided various "videofying" shots, like fast pans and so forth
crushed the blacks in color correction
used Nattress and adjusted the S curves in certain areas
I'm just wondering if I missed a step somewhere when it came down to designating the frame rate in Apple Compressor. When I saw the 29.97 frame rate designation in DVD Studio Pro, it surprised me. And then watching my movie on DVD (which is always a slightly difficult experience) I was really feeling like I was seeing an undesirable crisp video-ish feel that I hadn't seen before outputing to DVD.
obliged for the help,
Shanked

Editing in 60i or 30p? for canon Hf 10 and multiple frame rates?

My canon hf 10 shoots at 60i, 30p, and 24p. I would like to incorporate all the features of my camera into my projects, like the 24 frame movie mode for certain clips in my video, shoot at 30p for others, and 60i for fast moving when we are in a car. Now I understand that my camera does 30p and 24p in a wrapper, but if I were to edit a project timeline, which setting would be the correct to use If I wanted to use all the different footage??? Should I just use 60i? and just remove pulldown for 24p footage? Someone said that progressive is better then interlaced for DVD and internet viewing, or should I edit at 30p? 24p is of course not a reasonable option so I left it out. So I am left with either 60i or 30p...
The project will be put on DVD and on the internet. I was told 30p is better then 60i for this, but if my 30p and 24p are just 60i in a wrapper, should I go and EDIT IN THE TIMELINE with 60i since thats the format that its "really" coming from? Then, when its all done, it will be better?

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Trouble compressing 30p for 24p sequence

Hi everybody. Here's my situation:
I'm editing a video shot with two Canon XH A1 cameras shooting in HDV 1080 24P and one Canon MK2 shooting in H.264 1080 30p.
The frame rate for the bulk of the footage -- i.e. from the HX A1 is 23.98.
I converted the MK2 footage using compressor to HDV 1080p24, with a frame rate of 24. Compressor doesn't give an option for 23.98 (or am I not seeing?). The converted footage looks good and requires no rendering in a 1080p24 Final Cut timeline. But when I use large chunks of it (more than a minute or so), it gradually goes out of sync (with audio from the other cameras). I was able to compensate for this in the edit, but when I exported the video from final cut, the video -- made up of both MK2 and XH A1 footage -- became gradually out of sync, so that by the end of the 77 minute movie, the video and picture were off by 81 frames.
Any suggestions on fixing this will be most appreciated. I assume it has to do with mixing footage with 23.98 and 24 frame rates.

While this doesn't directly address your sync problems, you can convert to 23.98 fps with Compressor.
The key step, in case you've yet to try it, is to manually input the frame rate (select Custom, then enter 23.98) in your target's Video settings (the QT-like window). (That drop-down box does not give you a selection for 23.98, and I'm guessing that's why you went 24 fps exactly, right?). After that, proceed as you were (with Frame Controls 'n whatnot).
That said, I'm not 100% confident this will fix your sync issues -- because sync issues can be caused by any number of things, including sequence/project corruption, in my experience -- but it's worth a shot.

Mixed frame rate video clips on the same Blu-ray disc

Before I go into the detail, this actually isn’t an issue for me, but more of a finding the answer to a different question, so please bear with me.
To explain: I live in the UK, and I’m forever challenged by the different native video frame rates imposed by the PAL and NTSC standards. Every consumer camcorder I’ve ever seen only produces HD output (1920 x 1080) at either 50 fields/second interlaced, or 25 (sometimes 50) frames/second progressive. Some action cameras (Go Pro) I possess allow me to record at 30fps progressive, in full HD, which for fast movement is simply better. This in itself is not really a problem, but I use other software (all USA sourced) for video production whose best results are only visible when the finished HD output is 1080/60i.
Having mixed frame rate video is a real problem for the DVD standard, but no so much for Blu-ray. Indeed Adobe Encore neatly gets around this problem, so I can actually author a Blu-ray disc which contains full HD video clips that may be either 50i or 60i. Both types of video exist on the same disc, and when played back through a Blu-ray player/TV combination, the resultant video clips are shown correctly. Player and TV switch seamlessly to the correct setting to handle the video content. So, I have a solution to my problem, but at the same time, a question I can’t find an answer to, which is this:
Does the Blu-ray specification allow video clips of different native frame rates (i.e. 25fps and 30fps) assuming the resolution is the same, to co-exist on the same Blu-ray disc as a supported feature?
It works, but I can’t find one shred of information that says what I’m doing is supported.
Comments are most welcome.
Regards,
Steve

Stan Jones wrote:
Encore requires you to specify the project type as PAL or NTSC (whether you start it as Bluray or DVD), and does not allow you to change it later. Also, if you try to create a transcode type for PAL in an NTSC project you cannot get to the 25 fps setting (and therefore, I think, cannot do it).
But if you import a Bluray legal 25i file to an NTSC project, it is happily added.
DVD player conventional wisdom is that PAL players handle NTSC disks, but NTSC players do not generally handle PAL disks. I never quite understood why the TVs were not more of the issue. Do Bluray players even differentiate between PAL and NTSC?
Even if the player will handle PAL, the TV may well not do so - so there is more going on.
NTSC uses (generally) 60Hz systems whereas PAL is 50Hz hence the problem.
Do not try to mix standards as it will not be allowed - however, multiple frame rates are allowed as long as they are within spec for that TV standard.
They are best avoided though - otherwise you run a very real chance of serious asset truncation as the TV display switches between different resolutions & frame rates.

How do I convert frame rate from 30p to 24p????

I am about to start post on a short film shot on the mark II. I am going to convert the footage to ProRes. The director wants the "film" look. Can I change the frame rate from 30p to 24p in compressor? Are there any key settings I should know about?

There are lot of different ways to go about it, all have mixed results, and there is no way you'll get flawless results. However, here's a few ways to try:
A) Conform to 23.98, using Cinema Tools - You'll be slowing down the footage, so this is no good if you have on-set dialogue recording you're going to keep and need lip sync. If you weren't going to use any on-set audio and doing all dialogue and FX replacement, it wouldn't matter. This is also effective for music videos - just speed up the audio playback while shooting, and when you slow the video down in post, it'll match.
B) Use retiming in Compressor - I believe this uses some advanced frame blending and optical flow - I've had decent results with this method, but you can end up with some artifacts on high motion material.
C) Use Twixtor within FCP or Adobe After Effects. This has been my preferred method for surgical speed manipulation. It's time consuming and just like method B, you'll get artifacts on high motion material.
What you definitely do NOT want to do is drop your 30p footage into a 24p timeline. The motion will be horribly stuttery. Similarly, don't try to just use frame blending to achieve the frame rate conversion - it's not very impressive to see frame blending all over everything.
You're best results will come from having low motion footage. Interviews, head shots, etc. work great. If you're doing a lot of action, I'd advise against trying to convert using anything but method A. If you can get your hands on the 7D, you can shoot 24p natively.

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How do I convert 1080 24p NTSC to PAL format, - whats the right frame rate ?

I have some footage* that I want to convert to PAL HD.   Currently its in NTSC HD.
What is the best frame rate / frame size to convert into? Do I have to convert it up to 50fps (or 25fps) and turn it into interlaced?
General
Complete name                            : my.mov
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Format profile                           : QuickTime
Codec ID                                 : qt
File size                                : 168 GiB
Duration                                 : 2h 18mn
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 173 Mbps
Encoded date                             : UTC 2014-09-08 17:29:17
Tagged date                              : UTC 2014-09-08 20:14:37
Writing library                          : aapl
©TIM                                     : 00:00:00:00
©TSC                                     : 2997
©TSZ                                     : 125
Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : ProRes
Format version                           : Version 0
Format profile                           : High
Codec ID                                 : apch
Duration                                 : 2h 18mn
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 173 Mbps
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:2
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 3.484
Stream size                              : 168 GiB (100%)
Writing library                          : Apple
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2014-09-08 17:29:17
Tagged date                              : UTC 2014-09-08 17:29:17
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Other
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Duration                                 : 2h 18mn
Time code of first frame                 : 00:00:00:00
Time code settings                       : Striped
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2014-09-08 17:29:17
Tagged date                              : UTC 2014-09-08 17:29:17

PAL is 720 x 576 pixels interlaced (bottom first).
If it's 16:9 aspect ratio, you need to select "Anamorphic" and the frame rate it 25 fps.
If you need help with Compressor settings - I use Best for everything including re-sizing - processing is slow but the result is excellent.
I believe you can use MPEG Streamclip for converting, but I have not tried it.
Andy

What is the best frame rate to shoot/edit with for export to DVD?

Hello, I am going to shoot some instructional martial arts videos that need to be exported to DVD. I haven't exported to DVD since 2005. I am curious what the best frame rate is to shoot with and edit in Premiere to export to DVD. I've read conflicting information online. Some forums say that you can edit in whatever frame rate you want as long as the output is SD, 30i, which seems outdated to me.
I'm shooting on the GH2, so my options are 1080 24p (which has terrible strobiness compared to other cameras at 24p), 1080 60i, 720 60p, and apparently there is an HBR firmware update that allows 1080 30p. I want the motion to be as unstroby as possible, without being too soft. My friend's camera can shoot 1080 60p and I'm considering buying the G6, which also shoots 1080 60p. But I've read online that 60p to DVD looks choppy.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much.
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Thank you Jim. I do have one more question with regards to your advice:
I am putting the new firmware on my GH2 today, so I will be able to capture 1080/30p as opposed to only 1080/60i to edit in the 30p timeline. Is there a reason you would prefer 60i over true 30p at the same res? I've had problems with interlacing in the past never quite going away and getting funky when doing slow motion and other effects.

Best frame rates for 4 different cameras in multicam

Well, I've been flopping around in different threads on this forum, but I think the question is beginning to finally take shape for me. Basically it's all about deciding on frame rates for four different cameras I will be using to shoot a 6-day intensive course I will be teaching. The video will be primarily for computer viewing (YouTube, Quicktime movies). Here are the cameras:
2 new Canon cameras capable of frame rates of 60i, 30 frames per second progressive "recorded as 60i", and 24 frames per second progressive also "recorded as 60i" (there is a known issue with importing the 30 frames per second into fcpx, as fcpx does not recognize this as progressive, but ClipWrap can get around this).
1 Sony capable of 60i, 60P, and 24P
1 Sanyo capable of 60i and 30P
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Canon at 30 fps (using ClipWrap to see it gets recognized as progressive), and the Sony and Sanyo at 60i. Will this cause syncing or other problems, mixing frame rates like this? How bad a hit in quality is 60i on computer screens?
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Anyway, I aplogogize for wearing out my welcome on this forum, and I thank everyone for creating such a wonderful bank of information.

Not sure what you're trying to achieve here - for the best overall quality, if possible, choose a frame rate that all the cameras can achieve. That way you won't lose quality in the conversion.
If you're not satisfied with that, you need to do some tests to see which gives you the effect you like best. Nobody here can help you really - it's up to you.
Andy

Ingesting 1080p60/, 1080i60 (or 1080p24) frame rates?

Hello,
I just received a new Sony PJ-790V Handy Cam. Newest tech from Sony. That said, I have FCP7, and other than moving to FCP X (unsure if there is an advantage to doing so), my scenario for your good selves is to be initially based on FCP7 please...
This camera shoots AVCHD 1920x1080, in frame rates of 60P, 60I and 24P. The first two is where I'm confused.....
Have not yet filmed much since opening the box yesterday, but it is my understanding that FCP 7 may not want to play nice (after ingesting with Log and Transfer) if using 108060P. I have no opinion (it's why I'm writing here...) if my 2 ultimate end products desired will work/look best as a P or I.
>> End product 1: Day for day end use- 1920x1080 H264 10-15mbps (after QuickTime or Compressor) movies played on my HDTV. The tv is capable of both 1080P and 1080I.
>> End product 2: Archived original movie (mastered from FCP 7 editing, exported as QT movie, Pro Res LT).
Sorry to get so wordy here- truly.
1) What will FCP 7 ingest and work with?
2) Is there an advantage to be gained by making the move to FCP X?
Respectfully,
Bob

Bob,
If you are curious about recording in 24p, you'll want to read up on the concept of the film panning.
Because you are recording at a 20% lower frame rate (24 vs 30) if you have much movement within the frame, the displacement of each element will be significantly greater. The result of high intraframe motion is a slightly staccato rhythm. Some like it and some find it induces epileptic fits.
There are ways to smooth it out. They generally require the ability to control shutter speed and/or employing a very deliberate panning motion. If you are working with a consumer cam, the first item is usually not in your control so you do need to understand how quickly you can move the cam for best results.
Best,
x
edit: fwiw if the material is low motion, I always record at 24p for a couple of reasons -
1. The file sizes are 20% smaller for a given period. This means I get that much more capacity/ recording time out of the card(s).
2. When converting to a steady data rate for playback, I have 20% more pixel information for each frame which means a higher quality playback.
also, If I'm recording action/ sports and the like, I'll usually record 60p. This gives me the option of time remapping (slo-mo). If I decide the material will work best as regular speed (i.e. not slowdown), I'll just convert it to 30p when ingesting it before editing.

30p to 24p via Film Effects?

Had an event this weekend and one of the crew brought a little JVC HDV camera and we shot some footage in 720p HDV. We'd love to convert it to 24p before burning to DVD, but when we apply Graeme's filters we're getting interlace type artifacting. Can't find a way to turn off the de-interlacing and still convert to 24p.
Can this be done? Is there something else we can use? Or should we just leave it at 30p?

I'm not sure of the answer, but I can say that without the additional temporal resolution of 60i, it'd be hard to convert to 24p. If the footage is not sync, you could use Cinema Tools to change the frame rate to 24P. It'd slow it down by a fifth, which is why it won't work for sync stuff, but it'd work otherwise (unless Cinema Tools has a problem with HDV)...
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I'm working on an animation sequence, its a 24p project. Whenever I import an image sequence, Premiere automatically interprets this at 29.97 (though, per the help files, it should automatically interpret at the project frame rate, but it's not). In the project panel, I use interpret footage so that it interprets at 24p. However, when I bring this image sequence into the timeline it shows at the right duration, but the end of the sequence is cut off (essentially, premiere is still reading in at 30p, but gives it the duration of 24p).
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Hi, I have the same problem as my workflow is to import R3D into AE CC and render it into Tiff sequence. At first I had changed every setting to 24, and it rendered out choppy and clipped off a few frames in the end.
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I have HD footage that has a frame rate of 23.98 fps. Can I edit Final Cut Express 4.0.1 without it converting the frame rate to 25fps? There's no setting in the Esy Setup for 24fps, so I am assuming it will have to re-render everything to 25fps every time I import? Or how do I set the project frame rate to 24?
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FCE does not handle 24fps (23.98 fps) material. Never did. FCE only handles certain frame sizes/rates/codecs, and you cannot make specific settings other than what is available in the Easy Setups.
24 fps is a progressive mode; for editing in FCE you would have to convert it to an interlaced mode; or to 720p 25 or 30. If you are in North America then that would be 60i or 30p. The 25 fps/50i Easy Setups are PAL (European) settings.
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