30p to 24p transfer

From all the past issues with artifacts from going to 30p to 24P, im wondering if this has been taken care of in the new compressor and if there's one of those ridiculously long processes to get a somewhat decent transfer. If not, would AE do something along those lines?

I'm not sure of the answer, but I can say that without the additional temporal resolution of 60i, it'd be hard to convert to 24p. If the footage is not sync, you could use Cinema Tools to change the frame rate to 24P. It'd slow it down by a fifth, which is why it won't work for sync stuff, but it'd work otherwise (unless Cinema Tools has a problem with HDV)...
Patrick

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How do I convert frame rate from 30p to 24p????

I am about to start post on a short film shot on the mark II. I am going to convert the footage to ProRes. The director wants the "film" look. Can I change the frame rate from 30p to 24p in compressor? Are there any key settings I should know about?

There are lot of different ways to go about it, all have mixed results, and there is no way you'll get flawless results. However, here's a few ways to try:
A) Conform to 23.98, using Cinema Tools - You'll be slowing down the footage, so this is no good if you have on-set dialogue recording you're going to keep and need lip sync. If you weren't going to use any on-set audio and doing all dialogue and FX replacement, it wouldn't matter. This is also effective for music videos - just speed up the audio playback while shooting, and when you slow the video down in post, it'll match.
B) Use retiming in Compressor - I believe this uses some advanced frame blending and optical flow - I've had decent results with this method, but you can end up with some artifacts on high motion material.
C) Use Twixtor within FCP or Adobe After Effects. This has been my preferred method for surgical speed manipulation. It's time consuming and just like method B, you'll get artifacts on high motion material.
What you definitely do NOT want to do is drop your 30p footage into a 24p timeline. The motion will be horribly stuttery. Similarly, don't try to just use frame blending to achieve the frame rate conversion - it's not very impressive to see frame blending all over everything.
You're best results will come from having low motion footage. Interviews, head shots, etc. work great. If you're doing a lot of action, I'd advise against trying to convert using anything but method A. If you can get your hands on the 7D, you can shoot 24p natively.

How to create subtle slowmotion from 30p to 24p?

Hi,
What's the best way to create a very subtle slowmotion from 30p to 24p in Motion? Is it to create a 24p project, import the 30p footage and then change the timing speed to 80%? Do I have to use any kind of 'frame blending'?
Thank u very much for your answers!

Select your imported video. In Properties > Timing... slow down the video Speed to 80%. You can apply a frame blending from the dropdown (if you want to... try them out!) but I don't see where you'd have to if the playback is 24p, unless you want to add the effect to the video (optical flow might be interesting).

Working with 30p and 24p in premiere

I would like some advice on mixing 30fps footage with 24fps footage. Or, shooting all in 30p, but I would want the final video in 24p without any quality loss.
I have two shoot days for a short video I am making. The first day I shot an entire interview and tons of broll in 30fps. I have another day of shooting and was wondering what my best option would be: Either to keep shooting the rest in 30p and then putting all 30p footage on a 24p timeline? Or, finish my next shoot day with 24p (having both 30p and 24p footage) and then putting the mix footage on a 24 timeline? Or, is there too much quality now that will be lost, if I take 30p to 24p?
Suggestions? My ultimate goal is to have a cinematic look and feel.
This will be my first project in premiere.
Thanks!

My ultimate goal is to have a cinematic look and feel.
Then shoot in 24 fps.
Suggestions?
See this thread in After Effects Forum.

Trouble compressing 30p for 24p sequence

Hi everybody. Here's my situation:
I'm editing a video shot with two Canon XH A1 cameras shooting in HDV 1080 24P and one Canon MK2 shooting in H.264 1080 30p.
The frame rate for the bulk of the footage -- i.e. from the HX A1 is 23.98.
I converted the MK2 footage using compressor to HDV 1080p24, with a frame rate of 24. Compressor doesn't give an option for 23.98 (or am I not seeing?). The converted footage looks good and requires no rendering in a 1080p24 Final Cut timeline. But when I use large chunks of it (more than a minute or so), it gradually goes out of sync (with audio from the other cameras). I was able to compensate for this in the edit, but when I exported the video from final cut, the video -- made up of both MK2 and XH A1 footage -- became gradually out of sync, so that by the end of the 77 minute movie, the video and picture were off by 81 frames.
Any suggestions on fixing this will be most appreciated. I assume it has to do with mixing footage with 23.98 and 24 frame rates.

While this doesn't directly address your sync problems, you can convert to 23.98 fps with Compressor.
The key step, in case you've yet to try it, is to manually input the frame rate (select Custom, then enter 23.98) in your target's Video settings (the QT-like window). (That drop-down box does not give you a selection for 23.98, and I'm guessing that's why you went 24 fps exactly, right?). After that, proceed as you were (with Frame Controls 'n whatnot).
That said, I'm not 100% confident this will fix your sync issues -- because sync issues can be caused by any number of things, including sequence/project corruption, in my experience -- but it's worth a shot.

30p to 24p via Film Effects?

Had an event this weekend and one of the crew brought a little JVC HDV camera and we shot some footage in 720p HDV. We'd love to convert it to 24p before burning to DVD, but when we apply Graeme's filters we're getting interlace type artifacting. Can't find a way to turn off the de-interlacing and still convert to 24p.
Can this be done? Is there something else we can use? Or should we just leave it at 30p?

I'm not sure of the answer, but I can say that without the additional temporal resolution of 60i, it'd be hard to convert to 24p. If the footage is not sync, you could use Cinema Tools to change the frame rate to 24P. It'd slow it down by a fifth, which is why it won't work for sync stuff, but it'd work otherwise (unless Cinema Tools has a problem with HDV)...
Patrick

30p vs 24p

In considering which frame rate to standardize on for this series, I'm pondering the benefits, if benefits there are, to 24p vs. 30p. What I see most often in documentation is that 24p gives "that coveted film look."
Of course, I plan on doing some shooting this weekend to see how much of a difference I can tell from an emperical perspective, but I thought I'd see if there was a general sense around here of the whens and wheres to use 24p over 30p. I'm assuming that Sony included this option because there are reasons to choose it. But then, it may just be that Marketing wanted more bells and whistles. One never knows.
Any thoughts on the benefits of 24p?

chris,
Ah, so the stuttered look is what 24p contributes to the "film look?"
when movies first started being made ( silent ) the frame rate was something like 18fps I think.... when shown on a 24fps "projector" they look like they are speeded up....thats why so many of the old silent "clips" we used to see in the theatre as kids ( filler between the 2 feature films usually shown for our one ticket in those days )...were so fast...like the keystone cops etc...they moved fast and it was sorta funny to see everyone moving so fast....but in the beginning they were projected at 18fps....and moved " normal "....
However, the frame rate of 18fps flickered a lot ....and wasnt that smooth. the "mitchell movement" ( the claw and registration pins and motor etc that makes up the basic movie camera....which drags the film down and puts it in position for exposure ...24 times per second now ) got invented and movie cameras became 24fps.
one of the reasons movies are 24 fps is simply because the invention of the mitchell movement ( the parts that put the film in the gate and so on for exposure ) was fast enough to get rid of a lot of the "flicker" that you saw at 18fps....
That mitchell movement is going REALLY FAST ( at 24fps ).....if you were to look at it working ( like open the side door of a film camera and load film and run it for a few seconds....you would see how screaming fast that thing is moving )...
Now, as time went on the movement got even BETTER ( capable of going faster than 24fps ) ....and you could also make it go slower... which is called overcranking and undercranking the camera.
Because the projectors are 24fps....if you run a film camera at 60fps everything will look like it is going very slow ( slow motion ). If you run the film camera at 18fps and project it....everything will look like it is going FASTER.....
In real world shooting you could undercrank the camera on a stunt to make it look like the action is going faster than it would otherwise look ( help the stunt along a little bit...by undercranking )...
Or you would overcrank to make something look like it is slow motion.
These fps speeds in the camera are adjustable but 99% of the time the film camera will shoot at 24fps. And the projector in the theatre is projecting at 24 fps....
This has nothing to do with "film looks" and "aesthetics" etc... its simply the speed of the projectors being 24fps....and the mitchell movement in the cameras....
now time has marched on further and new stuff is being introduced to the old world of film and video.... but at least you know why film is 24fps ( cause projectors are 24fps )

60i, 30p or 24p Frame Rates?

I have a Canon XL2 and it allows me to record in 3 different frame rates. I'm wondering if you guys can tell me which one is the best for most all recordings such as weddings and things. Also, I was recording, pausing, and changing those settings during a single recording and when loading into FCP I get time code errors and had trouble getting them to load. Is this normal or is something else maybe wrong?
Thanks,
glenn

Your best bet is to experiment with each and see what you like. Stuff I do either ends up on the web or on a DVD so I usually shoot the 24p Advanced on my DVX... the XL2 has the same setting.
That will let you REMOVE the cadence it adds and actually edit in 24frames per second.
However... when you shoot that mode, NEVER:
1) turn the camera off without stopping the record with the red button
2) review your material and start recording again
3) Don't trust the find-end-frame feature either
That said... the rest is easy.
If you do have different scene styles recorded on the same tape, use the log and capture feature to get it off the tape.
Also, read this page:
http://www.adamwilt.com/24p/
It deals with the DVX, but the XL2 is the Canon answer to it and has all the same tc features.
Good luck,
CaptM

30P to 24P audio problem

Hi all,
quick question that I cannot ind an answer to: I shot at 30, and I want to slow it down to 24 for a slight slow mo look, I right click the file in PP, interpret footage-23.98 then try playing it in the source monitor, it looks and sounds great (albeit audio that sounds like Barry White) Once I drag it into the Sequence which is at 23.976, the video looks the same, but the audio is early by several seconds (still Barry Whitish, but very off)
Any ideas? I need the slow audio synced in the final output so I can re-do the vocals and match to the slowed down mouth movements.
I'm on a Mac 2008 8 core, Snow Leopard, 12 GB RAM, etc.
Thanks!

Don't use Interpret Footage. Right click the clip and change it's Speed/Duration.

Converting 30p/60p to 24p

hello
i am trying to convert my 60p footage from my Canon 7D to 24p to get that "film look". If i simply drag a 60p clip into a 24p timeline, will it automatically convert it to 24p?
This seems to make sense, but Philip Bloom on his web site has this long process of conforming it to 24p in Cinema Tools, then speeding that back up in Compressor to match the original timing. Does it have to be done this way or can i just drag it in?
thanks
heres the link for philip blooms workflow:
http://philipbloom.co.uk/tutorials/canon-5dmkii-tutorials/how-to-convert-canon-5 dmk2-footage-from-30p-to-24p/

be aware, the "film look" has much less to do with the frame rate and more to do with cinematographic elements like depth of field, lighting, and grain. Even if you convert 30 to 24, you still had a shutter speed of 1/60th of a second, so the individual frames have less motion involved than if you had a shutter speed of 1/48th of a second.

Shooting in 30p vs. 24P vs 24P advanced? / sequence settings

I'm using a Panasonic DVX 100 camera. (i'm new to it) Sorry if these are naïve questions, but I need help.
Not sure what the difference is if I should shoot in 30p/24p/24p advanced?
If I shot in any of the three, do I use different settings when I import?
Also, how do I set the sequence settings for the best results?
I appreciate your guidance...

Whether you shoot in 30p or 24p depends on what your style of filming. Hands down 24p is going to look the most like modern day cinema, but you need to make sure there is plenty of light, and also watch a bunch of movement. Basically you are looking at the difference between packing 24 frames in a second, or 30 frames in a second. Most of the time, so long as you aren't doing massive pans you will be fine with 24p. For me, I do a bunch of shoulder mounted filming, so I use 30p to make sure I don't get any "slideshow" effects if I decide to slow it down or maybe pan across the horizon. If you film in 24p, you want to capture in 24p. You can do an easy setup for HDV 1080p 24 or 720p 24 depending on what reso you are filming at.
Usually the question comes between 24p and 60i. If you are ever going to have a bunch of movement, or intend on doing slow motion at all, 60i is a much better result. You can always color the film later to get a cinematic effect. Hope this is helpful. (and true..)

30p -- 24P Can Cinema Toos Help??

Does Cinema Tools convert 30p footage into 24p??

Welcome to the Boards
Are you using a Canon 5D Mark II by any chance? If so there is some information out and about on the subject, but a quick heads up about using Cinema Tools is found [in a discussion on here |http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2204324&tstart=0]
When changing timings (i.e., such as NTSC to PAL, 30P to 24P) I have been using Compressor or Shake to do that. Compressor does alot better job than it used to. Make sure to tweak the frame controls. I used it on some 5D Mark II footage for various conversions to test it out, not too bad....

30p-24p conversion problem

Hi,
Not sure if this is the right place to ask question;
A client has asked me to fix a video;
I was given a 1h 36m video that has gone through cinema tools to go from 30p to 24p, then it was put into compressor to speed up the audio. This method was taken from the Philip Bloom tutorial,
Philip Bloom Blog Archive How to convert Canon 5dmk2 footage from 30p to 24p...
The finished result is a (56g 24p Apple Interm Codec) video that is too slow. The video needs to be sped up.
The aduio/ video are in sync its just too slow. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to how to speed up the whole file? The finished video needs to go onto DVD.
None of the original 30p footage is available all I have to work with is the 24p 56g file,
would compressor work if I change the timing from 01.36.13 to 01.05.13?? A bit of trial and error? I presume there must be a much easier way of doing this,
Any suggestions/ help with this would be greatly appreciated;
Cheers,
Daniel

You did a CONFORM didn't you? Does the Philip Bloom tutorial really tell you to use Cinema Tools and CONFORM? I find that odd, as what Conform does is turn your footage...frame for frame, from one speed to another. So 30fps converted frame for frame to 24fps, will be slower. This is one trick we use to get good smooth slow motion, NOT how to convert 30p footage into 24p footage that plays at the same speed.
And one major thing to note about this process is that it is DESTRUCTIVE. Meaning that it alters the original QT file. Which is why I tell people to duplicate the file first, as you can't go back once you do this.
So that Bloom Tutorial told you to use Cinema Tools to CONFORM the clip? Really? That seems like poor advice. And you don't have the camera original file? You MODIFIED the original file? Because the original is H.264, and FCP doesn't like to edit H.264, and that needs to be converted to ProRes before you can edit...so you didn't do that either?
Shane

30p with a Canon XA10 - need help with Final Cut 7 "FIELD DOMINANCE" setting and an explanation of "drop frames". Thank you!!

I shot footage using a Canon XA10 and there are issues with the HD quality not looking as crisp as it should. I am trying to make sure the settings in Final Cut are right. Need help confirming what should be in "Field Dominance" --- have seen discussions about making sure it's set to "none" but I'm confused as to what to do.
Also someone suggested I use "drop frames" to change from 30p to 24p within Final Cut. He couldn't explain how to do it so any input appreciated as well as any thoughts on whether this is a good option to try.

If you're shooting 30p, field dominance should be set to none. Since you need to use log and transfer to bring this material in to fcp, I would assume it would be set correctly automatically. Are you sure you've set the camera properly?
Drop frames will not change 30 p to 24p. Dropframe timecode simply refers to the number assigned to each frame which drops an occasional number (not any frames) so the timecode duration is the actual duration, since 30p videoi is actually 29.97 frames per second which each frame assigned a timecode number.
This is very basic video stuff and requires some basic knowledge of video. Wikipedia is a pretty good resource for much of this stuff plus there are lots of great resources on the web. Look up interlaced and progressive video, 24p and 30p.
And as far as judging quality, you can only get an accurate view of the quality in fcp when you have a video card attached to a video monitor. The viewer and canvas are only an approximation of what the quality is. Minimally, set the canvas or viewer to 100% to get a better approximation of the quality.

Final Cut Pro, HF S100 and 24p

I recorded movies in 60i, 30p and 24p (by the setting on the camera). I then do a LOG AND TRANSFER and movies are brought in. When i look at the settings (in FCP) they are all 29.97 framerate. Why is this? How do i get the 24p footage in, and have FCP and all other programs recognize it as true 24p?

Going to DVD? Then you are fine. 29.97 is perfectly acceptable for DVD.
So the 27.97p is really 60i, and FCP does not care what it was shot in?
It does. It was shot 1080i60, with a film-like cadence. It wasn't shot 23.98. FCP imported it exactly how it was shot. Read that snippet I posted again...it says this plain as day.
I created a 1920x1080 24p Apple Pro, dropped the footage and said NO to settings change.
Really? Well, do you see a render bar above the footage in the timeline? If so...then the clip settings and sequence settings don't match.
Im assuming that a reverse-telecine took place?
Wrong assumption. It didn't unless you told it to. HDV and other GOP formats cannot have telecine removed. You need to convert to ProRes before you can remove telecine.
Is this the proper way to do it, or do I need to use Cinema Tools?
FCP does this...as does Cinema Tools.

30p to 24p transfer

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