802.11n implementation- First steps

We have around 35 access pints (1230,1240,1260) and 500 clients (RDTs and printers ) in our warehouse running on 802.11b/g, some of the clients support 802.11n and some of them don't. We are planning to upgrade all our clients by the end of the year so that they all can support 802.11n.
We are getting reports about intermittent  wireless connectivity issues from our warehouse and some of APs have peak client count of 55. We can't add any more APs in those areas because of the interference(only 3 non over lapping channels in 2.4ghz), so we decided to add new APs with 802.11n antennas (11n antennas only)  in those areas so that all the clients that support 802.11n can connect to the new APs.
Do you see any caveats in that design. AES,TEKIP and WMM is already enabled on all our WLANs, is there anything else I have to do other than enabling (wireless--802.11a/n--High Throughput-11n ) mode on the controller and configuring the antennas on the APs? And also does enabling 802.11n (5Ghz) in greenfield mode on an AP has any affect on the AP that only has 802.11b/g antennas?
Below is a logical diagram, thanks for the help
Siddhartha       

Leo,
Below is the diagram, the distance from the ground to the AP is 9 feet and all the AP s have two external patch anenna (AIR-ANT2460P-R) facing the ground.
Siddhartha

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    Wireless Clients: 3
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    Airport Tab > Wireless:
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    Version 7.4.2
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    Connect using: Wireless Network
    Channel: 1 (Automatic)
    Wireless Clients: 1
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    Airport Tab > Wireless:
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    Connection sharing: Greyed-out, not selectable
    Internet Tab > TCP/IP:
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    Shows IP Address
    Internet Tab > Advanced
    Didn't touch anything here, so all at defaults
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    Version 7.4.2
    Wireless Mode: Extend a wireless network
    Connect using: Wireless Network
    Channel: 1 (Automatic)
    Wireless Clients: 2
    Airport Tab > Base Station:
    Allow Setup over the Internet using Bonjour: Unchecked
    Airport Tab > Wireless:
    Wireless Mode: Extend a wireless network
    Allow wireless clients: checked
    Airport Tab > Access Control:
    MAC Address Access Control: Not Enabled
    Internet Tab > Internet Connection:
    Connect using: Greyed-out, not selectable
    Connection sharing: Greyed-out, not selectable
    Internet Tab > TCP/IP:
    Configure IPv4: Using DHCP
    Shows IP Address
    Internet Tab > Advanced
    Didn't touch anything here, so all at defaults
    SETUP/GOALS:
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