8mm cine film 4:3 or widescreen?

Had some standard 8mm cine film transferred to .avi files in HD 1920 x 1080 (eg: 30 minute reel = approx 13gb).
Importing into iMove involved 'optimising' (did that change the resolution?).
If I create the project in widescreen I can share to media browser in HD 1280x720, but if I create the project in 4:3 the best I can share is Large 720x540.
I have already created about 6 half-hour projects in 4:3. If I change these project properties to widescreen HD will I really be getting 1280x720 or an upscaling from 720x540 - OR - does iMovie create your desired resolution output (with your desired edits etc) from the original event footage?

Here is a sample of what I am getting.
Watch in in 1920x1080 in full screen...

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A fascinating project!
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That was just to let you know that it can be done!
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