A programme for displaying camera profiles ...

ColorThink Pro is displaying .icc profiles, but it does not have support for other types. Do you know a programme for dispalying the gamuts of DNG profiles and Canon picture style files? Thanks.

Thanks a lot for your explanations ... you're a great helper Andrew.
I think input profiles as any other RGB profiles, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. But, if so, they must have three primaries as ordinary profiles ... is it correct? ... and are they RGB profiles? What is the difference between them and standard .icc profiles?
I need to clarify one point in my mind ... what are the function of input profiles? Their function is to take the linear raw RGB data created after demosaicing and send them to the PCS and then from the PCS to the ProPhoto RGB (for example), isn't it? I'm sorry, I asked this question to you one more time in another topic, but I couldn't understand them completely. If their function is so, they bound the unknown gamut of camera into the known RGB color space.
Let me try to explain in other words ...
Please think just from the color management perspective.
As we shoot the scene, we have analog raw data ... after passing through converter, we have 14 bit luminous raw data ... and as the third step, demosaicing process converts our single channel raw data into the 3 channels raw RGB data. The gamut of this RGB data depends on the colors of the bayer filter the camera has. Correct to this point?
Then, we need to convert this raw RGB data into the some other known RGB color space ... and I think that the function of input profiles is to send the raw RGB data to the PCS for turning it into -for example- PRoPhoto RGB. Input profiles are one way profiles. That is, they are getting raw RGB data and send this data to the PCS. That's all, this is their job.
raw RGB data>Input profile>PCS>a known RGB color space ... please correct, if this workflow is not correct.
Raw RGB data at the beginning has a gamut depends on the colors of bayer filter ... we can not know it exactly ... ok. But, the gamut of input profile depends on the primaries of the profile and they are constant for a given profile. Its function is to map raw RGB (unknown gamut) to the known RGB color space. So, I think that we can know the gamut of input profiles exactly. As a result ... the gamut of cameras are not same with the gamut of input profiles. We can not know exactly the gamut of cameras, but we can know the gamut of input profiles. Wrong? And, input profiles have bounding effect on the gamut of a camera. They draw the actual boundaries for our images from the color perspective. I mean, the gamut of input profile is the first known gamut in the process of digital imaging? So, they have great importance in the process.
I'm a little bit confused ... indeed, I need to understand what takes place in a camera after taking a shoot. Do we have such a diagram explaining the main steps of digital image capture from the point of color management ... and of course, the main steps (just titles) after opening a raw image in ACR. I think that such a diagram explaining the main color management steps can not be thought as a commercial secret.

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Volume in drive C is C - Boot
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Directory of C:\ProgramData\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles\Camera\Nikon D90
01/11/2014 02:51 PM    <DIR>          .
01/11/2014 02:51 PM    <DIR>          ..
03/18/2013 11:32 AM           112,100 Nikon D90 Camera D2X Mode 1.dcp
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03/18/2013 11:32 AM           112,098 Nikon D90 Camera Standard.dcp
03/18/2013 11:32 AM           112,096 Nikon D90 Camera Vivid.dcp
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>If the image that is open while preparing the profile and settings to be saved as a camera profile has an ISO 200 then when are other ISO ratings included in the camera profile?
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>The detail of adding these ISO ratings to the camera profile are not specificied at the site I visited http://www.computer-darkroom.com/lr_camera/camera-defaults.htm
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I then process the raw files and convert them to the DNG format, select the best exposure and run it through the DNG Profile editor. My results differ from Adobe's generic profiles for that camera enough that that I don't thin kthe difference can be credited to the difference between a generic profile a specific camera.
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I thin kthe DNG Profile editor is a great and under usedtool. I wish more people knew about it.
Thank you for your time and consideration.

Someone who only eats sausage may not want to know how it's made. Someone who creates things with food, a chef, a cook, or otherwise is thinking about a career in the food industry, might have a interest in such things. Someone who is thinking of making sausage will want to know all the details. Someone who is concerned with the public safety might want to know how sasauge is made.
It would be nice for a sausage maker to give some hints about the process as compared to what each of us can do with the DNG Profile Editor and to the original poster's question, why are our profiles different from Adobe's?
It is my experience that when I create a profile with the DNG Profile Editor, and then compute the color error for each of the 24 color patches of a CC24, using a program like Imatest, some colors are quite a bit off and some are very close, and the colors that are off, are not the same ones that are off when I compute the color error using one of the Adobe Standard or Camera Standard profiles.
Is Adobe using more detailed and sophisticated color targets with hundreds of different colors, or if not, do the tools provide more feedback and allow more manual manipulation of the profile and so the differences are due to their judgement about which colors to make "right" and which ones to let have more error associated with them, that can be manipulated by hand instead of merely letting the DNG Profile Editor apparently distribute the error amongst the various colors with some sort of even-handed calculation.
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In other words, how much of the difference between Adobe and our profiles are due to Adobe having different or better science, and how much of it is due to Adobe have different or better "artists" who decide what colors to make correct compared to others.

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