Ability to Recover Dropped Frames in Spanned MTS Files?

Hi everyone,
I know there's a previous thread about an issue similar to this, but it's been a long time since someone commented so I'm trying to get a quicker more specific answer here. I'll keep this short:
Using a Sony NXCAM, and I was not aware of needing to use the Content Mangement Utility to export footage onto my editing machine. I realize this is how you get the spanned MTS files back into a single file. I now have over 200 GB of footage shot over a week long period. I just copied over the MTS files ONLY to my editing machine each day, then reformatted the cards to make space for the next day's footage.
Now, when placed in the timeline, all the clips have the dropped audio frames where they were split.
My question is, is there a way to recover/recombine these files AFTER they've been taken off the memory card, and I no longer have anything but the MTS files only - not the PRIVATE folder, or any of the accompanying stuff.
Am I SOL here? Or is there a way to recombine the spanned files at this point?
Using Premiere Pro CS5.5, but also have access to CS6 if needed.

I was not aware of needing to use the Content Mangement Utility to export footage onto my editing machine.
You don't. In fact, I always recommend no special software is used. Just Windows Explorer or Finder. BUT...you do copy over the ENTIRE CARD. Once on the hard drive, you do not delete, rename or otherwise alter the contents of any of those folders.
The dropped frames you're seeing are common when you do not copy over the entire card. I am not aware of a fix.

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I can't quite figure out what it is I'm doing wrong here.
I'm taking an AVCHD MTS file recorded at 1080i/30fps and converting it to 1080p/30fps with Adobe Media Encoder CS4 using the H.264 codec at 16Mbps.
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.. QT Pro, I can't get it to play more than 8fps,
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lghtanddrk, if you send me a link to your AVCHD MTS file, I can trying exporting it as a MOV file and see if I get the same issue. For me QT seems to be slowing no matter what HD file I give it.
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