About some concepts.

can anybody describs definition and relation in detail about business object,idoc type,message type,segment type.,filter object type and so on?
thanks a lot.

follow the links.
business objects
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/7c/3ce3c065ba11d395fe00a0c94260a5/frameset.htm
http://www.erpgenie.com/abap/bor.htm - 40k
http://www.sap-img.com/abap/reading-attribute-of-a-business-object-in-abap.htm - 8k -
http://diamond.businessobjects.com/sdn - 25k
publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/wbihelp/v6rxmx/topic/com.ibm.wbia_adapters.doc/doc/mysap4/mysap4146.htm - 4k -
IDOC
ALE/ IDOC
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2004/helpdata/en/dc/6b835943d711d1893e0000e8323c4f/content.htm
http://www.sapgenie.com/sapgenie/docs/ale_scenario_development_procedure.doc
http://edocs.bea.com/elink/adapter/r3/userhtm/ale.htm#1008419
http://www.netweaverguru.com/EDI/HTML/IDocBook.htm
http://www.sapgenie.com/sapedi/index.htm
http://www.sappoint.com/abap/ale.pdf
http://www.sappoint.com/abap/ale2.pdf
http://www.sapgenie.com/sapedi/idoc_abap.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2005/helpdata/en/0b/2a60bb507d11d18ee90000e8366fc2/frameset.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2005/helpdata/en/78/217da751ce11d189570000e829fbbd/frameset.htm
http://www.allsaplinks.com/idoc_sample.html
http://www.sappoint.com/abap.html
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2004/helpdata/en/dc/6b835943d711d1893e0000e8323c4f/content.htm
http://www.sapgenie.com/sapgenie/docs/ale_scenario_development_procedure.doc
http://edocs.bea.com/elink/adapter/r3/userhtm/ale.htm#1008419
http://www.netweaverguru.com/EDI/HTML/IDocBook.htm
http://www.sapgenie.com/sapedi/index.htm
http://www.allsaplinks.com/idoc_sample.html
cheers,
sharad.

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RECEIVE RESULTS FROM FUNCTION Remotefunction is used within a FORM routine to receive the results of an asynchronous remote function call. The following receiving parameters are available:
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Transactional RFC:
If an error occurs during a synchronous remote function call, the system cannot tell at what point the error occurred (most crucially, whether the function module was actually processed in R/3 before the operation failed). Restarting a failed call is therefore a dangerous thing to do, since you risk duplicating a completed function call.
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Remote Function Call:
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_47x200/helpdata/en/22/042860488911d189490000e829fbbd/frameset.htm.
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_47x200/helpdata/en/22/042860488911d189490000e829fbbd/frameset.htm.
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1. Using a big background map is a bit lazy if you ask me, but graphically it would be easier to create a nice-looking game. You also have to think about memory. Let's say you manage to get an 800x600 background image at the size of 200kb with JPEG compression. That 200kb jpg image you use as a background is not 200kb when loaded into memory. I dont remember exactly how much bigger it gets in memory, so this next statement is probably wrong. But I heard that: 4bytes per pixel for the ARGB data, and there are 800x600 (480,000) pixels. That's 480000*4 (1920000) bytes if that statement is right. But it's probably wrong, so hopefully Abuse or someone will correct it :)
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3. I dont got much to say about isometric :P
4. an 8bit NES game, eh? That is the common misconception that you have to use images that are the same size of the tiles. Have you seen the game "The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords"? That's a tile-based game, but on several occasions you see trees that are 10 times bigger than the 20x20 tiles. They mixed it up, they used a TileMap for the basic ground, and put good looking large images on top. The large images (such as a large tree) uses 4 or 5 "base" tiles that are used for collision. That way the character will only collide with the bottom-half of the tree, giving the appearance of going "behind" the tree when the Y value is above the middle line of the tree. This is far away from looking like an 8bit NES game :)
I hope that was more helpful than it was confusing, but I tend to babble, so.. anyway. Hope it helps :o

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Absolutely no. A completely pointless exercise. As there can be no standard for such a thing. As people have so many, very different ways of filing things. It like suggesting that we all use the same folder tree for filing on our computers. Our relationship to keywords and their meaning will change.
Take Brad Pitt, would you put him under Actor, celebrity or relative. His mum would file him under Son/Family.
What about places. I use UK, Europe, Asia, Africa...as top level domains. Now someone who lives in Japan would have Japan as home and the UK as Europe/UK. Some people may like to file musical acts by city of origin, others by genre, neither is wrong and both are correct for the right person. Being able to do both would be even better.
You just design a heirachy that suits yourself. Adobe just has to find a way of respecting that and allowing you to transfer that heirarchy intact between apps.
Someone else posted this example of heirachy. Which will work well for some, but not for others. Plus, in context of what you ask, remember everyone's family structure is different so how can you possibly have a 'standard' heirachy.
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=98612897&size=o
In your example above, I wouldn't use Outdoor and Landscape as Landscape. As for my filing I simply do not have an inside and outside category. I probably wouldn't even have a landscape category either, I would file them under location in a heirachical tree like UK/Wales/West Glamorgan/Gower/Rhosilli/Headland. I may add Landscape as a key word, but would not use it as a category as the heirachy tree above makes more sense to me as I can remember where things are.
I also file everthing by date in my OS as I can remember when I took things reasonably well and that ensures I have a coherent filing system onto which I can apply a database.

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