Another Raid Question

Hi All:
I may have missed this in one of the stickies, but please don't yell at me.
I am now running raid 0 via the Promise chip on my 865pe Neo2 FIS2R, (this was my first build and I didn't realize I could set up raid with the ICH5R chip).
My question is knowing that I would have to re-install my os and everthing else, would it be worth it in terms of a performance increase to go to the trouble of switching over to the ICH5R controller?
Thanks for any info you can share with me.
BigAL

Yes you would. But the good news is that the Promise controller appears to be the better performing one, so leave things just as they are

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Hello forum gods.
First off, I must confess - I am a defector seeking assylum in the the Mac camp. I am a born-and-bred Windows person, and a longtime Avid editor who just made the jump and purchased the Mac-Pro with all the bells and whistles, and FCP Studio. I did this to accompany my JVC ProHD cam and deck.
I have no idea what I am going to do with the time I used to spend scanning for viruses and trojans. I am thinking I may write a novel, or build a house by hand - but that is another topic.
Now that the confession is out of the way - we can move on to the actual questions.
<big breath>
Ok - so I have this new fancy shiny computer, deck, camera, and monitors - one of which is the Sony 23" that is comparable to the Apple 23. I do not have a Kona or Blackmagic card because I was told that I did not need one right away - though I do plan on getting one later. For monitoring, I was going to use the firewire in/out of the JVC deck and convert the signal via the component outs to another HD monitor. This would bring the total monitors on the system to 3 - a 19" for the edit screen, the 23" for the video playback in FCP and the braodacast HD for monitoring the final signal.
Is this workable?
Now for the second question - storage and RAID.
Most of my footage will be either SD or HDV. Eventually I'll be going to XDCam, but that's a bit down the road. I have the internal 250 gigger that came in the Mac, and I purchased additional 500gb SATA II drives that I was going to use to set up a RAID. Should I do this internal or external? Will it work? What else do I need? What is the meaning of life?
Thanks for your replies. My credit card is anxiously awaiting your suggestions
G5 Quad Mac OS X (10.4.8)
G5 Quad Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Some question back atcha:
1) When you say you'll be working in SD, what do you
mean? Typically, SD refers to uncompressed 601, 720 X
486. Or are you referring to DV NTSC?
DV NTSC and/or the myriad formats that the JVC100 can do.
2) Your Profile says you have a Quad G5, but your
post says it's a MacPro. Which is it?
Sorry - Consider that my first public gaffe in the new Mac world. I bought the Mac Pro. Time to change my profile. I bought it last week - it isn't even here yet. Supposed to be delivered today...
3) Are you wanting to see your HDV sequence on a
external video monitor while you're editing? If so,
you'll need the Kona card (or the Blackmagic card,
but I don't do BMD, only Aja, so I don't know about
the Blackmagic offerings.)
I've read about the Cinema Preview function and although I know that this isn't the best idea for monitoring, wouldn't it work? On the JVC deck, it has the firewire output/input and component outs (among others) so in E-to-E mode, couldn't the deck act as my converter for monitoring on the broadcast monitor? If not - I have a line on a Kona-2 with the BOB for about $1400. Deal or no deal?
Now as for your RAID question, you can do either
internal or external. Just don't include the drive
that contains your system folder in the RAID.
I was planning on using the 250 for all my system files and the 2-500 giggers as my edit drives. Sound good?
EDIT: As for the meaning of life, go ask your father.
Gaah... He handed me "The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy" and told me to get to reading....
Thanks for the help. Lord knows I need it.

NEO Platinum (754 nForce3) SATA RAID Question

Because my ASUS Mainboard died yesterday, i am planing to buy the NEO Platinum for 754 socket. As i can see in manual, there is option in BIOS to disable or enable RAID function for each SATA port. There are 2x2 separate SATA ports, but only one SATA Controller.
I have 3 SATA Harddisk - 2 are in RAID0 Stripeset, and one drive as normal, standalone drive. My question:
Is it posible to connect the 2 RAID0 drives on SATA ports 3 and 4 and use them as RAID0 Stripeset, but at the same time to connect the 3rd standalone drive on port 1 or 2 in normal mode, also NO RAID use?
Theoraticaly, ase in manual - it should be posible (because you can switch the RAID function on or off for each SATA port, but on the other side - phisicaly - its only ONE SATA controller on board.
I need fast reply, so i can order the board in webshop. Thanx.

Thanx people, but now i habe another question. On my ASUS board i have connected 2 RAID drives on Silicon Image RAID controller - but the NEO Platinum have nVidia RAID controller.
Can i migrate with the RAID drives to another RAID controller without loose of data? I mean, i know that i must install again WinXP, thats no problem - the thing is, i want to keep my data on other partitions untouched. So, i have to boot to nVidia RAID options - to set a new Stripeset, but can i also mark the set as "healthy" and use it normaly (offcourse with fresh XP install on C:)?

Another newb question: multiple virtual servers

Hi, I have yet another ignorant question. I have several unrelated web projects that I am working on, and I would like to be able to set up a virtual server for each one for testing purposes, such as: http://project1, http://project2, http://project3. Can someone tell me if this is doable, and if there are any tutorials/resources on this for someone who has 0 experience running a web serer? Sorry for being so ignorant!

Yes, it is doable.
You can setup virtual server either by IP or by name.
If you have one IP, and want to set them up by name (ex. http://project1, http://project2, http://project3) you can do so easily with this type of configuration:
<virtual-server>
    <name>mydomain</name>
    <http-listener-name>http-listener-1</http-listener-name>
    <host>*.mydomain.com</host>
    <document-root>/www/domain</document-root>
</virtual-server>
<virtual-server>
    <name>myotherdomain</name>
    <http-listener-name>http-listener-1</http-listener-name>
    <host>*.myotherdomain.com</host>
    <document-root>/www/myotherdomain</document-root>
</virtual-server>
....The important part here is that
a) all virtual servers share the same HTTP listener
b) which virtual server serves the request depends on the $HOST request header send by the client. Sun Web Server does the matching for you. It will match $HOST vs. the virtual server's host attribute. Depending on which site you connect to the right virtual server will be used.
c) if the $HOST request header does not match any of the virtual servers, then the default virtual server defined in the HTTP listener will be used.
To create a virtual server, use the Admin GUI, access the configuration, and then add new virtual server. Or use the following CLI command.
wadm> create-virtual-server --config=myconfig --http-listener-name=http-listener-1 --document-root=/www/docs/myserver.com --host-pattern=myserver.com --log-file=../logs/myserver.com-error_logs myserverHost pattern will be used for matching. Some of this elements might be optional.
Hope that helps. And keep the questions coming :D
Edit: Also check the documentation
Using Virtual Servers in SJS Web Server 7.0

Moving from VIA RAID controller to another RAID controller?!?

Hello
I'm going to install a RAID-1 with 2 SATA harddisks from seagate using the onboard VT8237 RAID controller of my KT6 Delta.
I guess there should be no problems and that the temperature on the motherboard will be fine.
However, what will happen if I want to move later on to a new motherboard with another raid controller or install a dedicated RAID controller?!?
Will I loose all my data? Or will the new raid controller duplicate the data based on the source drive?
Thanks
JohnQM

I have read somewhere that the following migration paths apply for raid:
1. raid-1 can always be migrated to a new RAID controller, no matter which brand, because raid-1 is just a mirror and no important information is written in the partition table
2. raid-0 or other raid-levels
2.0 from one brand of RAID controller to the same version of the RAID controller of the same brand: no problem
2.1 from one brand of RAID controller to a new version of the RAID controller of the same brand: usually no problem (upwards compatible)
2.1 from one brand of RAID controller to a RAID controller of another brand: no go
Can someone confirm this please?
Thanks
JohnQM

Another simple questions

Hello friends:
Another simple question: I need to learn things about Oracle on my desktop.
My machine runs Windows 98. Oracle has some desktop product of its Database Line?
For example: Oracle Personal?
And Oracle Lite? What's the main difference between Oracle Personal and
Oracle Lite?
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Another RAID 0 Question

Would the following two scenarios allow me to run BC with a Raid 0:
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2. Put Vista on one drive, MAC OS on another (both would be separate, non-raid) then have another few drives that are organized as a Raid 0 and contain other application programs (Adobe CS3 programs, Final Cu Pro etc) in same Mac Pro to provide for storage/scratch disk use?

1) RAID 0 implementations under Mac OS X, as a boot drive or not, are not compatible with Windows and vice versa, Windows RAID 0 implementations are not compatible with Mac OS X.
2) You have the same RAID issue as option 1.
Ultimately, if you want RAID 0 under both Mac OS X and Windows in a Mac Pro then the simplest solution is to use two drives for each OS. Also, do not use Boot Camp and manually create the RAID set under the Windows installer (I'm assuming you can - I've not tried under the installer and only done so under Windows itself).

Power Mac G4 RAID Question

After successfully putting OS X Leopard on my Power Mac G4, I then gasped at the amount of space I had; from the built in 10 GB hard drive, I had a couple hundred MegaBytes left. However, I recently pulled a 40 GB Hard Drive from another computer, and installed it. The Mac had no problem identifying and formatting it.
However, having very little space and more things to install, my question is this; How do I set up this Mac to identify the 2 internal drives as one single drive? I have done a little research, and discovered Disk Utility's ability to configure a sort of "Software RAID," but cannot find a good guide as to define how to actually do so. Any ideas?
Thanks in advance,
Jordan. Meow!

OK, you're not going to get much speed out of OSX with only 50 GB to start with, since Leopard does best with 100 GB or 30% Free space, but anyway, boot from the Install Disc...
1. Insert the Mac OS X Install disc, then restart the computer while holding the C key.
2. When your computer finishes starting up from the disc, choose Disk Utility from the Installer menu. (In Mac OS X 10.4 or later, you must select your language first.)
*Important: Do not click Continue in the first screen of the Installer. If you do, you must restart from the disc again to access Disk Utility.*
Select one of the drives, click on the RAID tab, Raid type select Concatenated RAID set, drag to two drives on the left to the window on the right, iirc.

X-Raid question about adding more drives

Hi Guys.
I am running an X Server (10.3.8 dual 2GHZ PPC G5)with an X-Raid attached. Right now it is only half full with a RAID5 volume that is my main file server.
My question is can i add three 500GB drives into the empty slots of my X-Raid and congiure them as another RAID5 volume without killing my current drives setup on the X-Raid?
Thanks for any help.

You can do it hot. The 3 drives you insert will not affect the exiting RAID set in any way whatsoever. The Xserve RAID supports up to 3 RAID sets per RAID controller (each controller handles one "half" of the array -- so 7 drives). What you're doing is very common.
The only thing I say is that you need to be sure you replace the 3 unused "blanks" and don't accidentally eject one of the drives that's already part of a RAID set. This should be pretty obvious as the "live" drives have blue and green lights, and the blanks have none, but other than that, it's a cakewalk.

Mirrored RAID Question

Possibly a dumb question: If Mac OSX (10.4.11 in this case) boots from a mirrored RAID (2 drives), is there any additional protection from routine disk directory errors? Again, I'm not asking about the physical failure of one of the drives, but from the type of directory errors that sometimes happen after a system freeze or loss of AC power to the system.
Another way of asking the same question: Will disk directory errors in one drive be automatically mirrored in the second drive, or will the second drive not have the same directory errors?
Background: I've got an older G4 tower with two identical drives installed that I use as a play/experiment computer. I can either keep the two drives totally independent and do daily (or even more often) total, bootable backups from the primary to the backup drive, or else configure as a mirrored RAID.
Thanks.

Both drives should be on independent bus or using a controller. The MDD has two buses, but ATA/66 and ATA/100 differ by 4% and enough difference to not recommend using two drives in any form of stripped or mirrored RAID.
Two drives on same bus, master/slave I would avoid as the bus has to wait for one drive for I/O before it can talk to the second drive.
With an SATA no such problem or limitation, or using an ATA controller with two independent channels.

Re: another build question! (sorry lol)

Hi all
right, after days and days of researching all the excellent articles on here ive had to write a post! So apologies for going over old ground
Im going to build a new CS5.5 rig (having had a guts full of Apple and their FCPX fiasco its back to pc!)
so although i appreciate the 990x o'c is prob best option, bang for buck is leading me down the sandybridge i7 2600k o'c option on p67 mobo with 16gb of ram (option to take to 32 down the line when the chips are out)
anyway, im sorted on chip mobo (msi big bang marshal p67), nivida 570 etc , its the drives im struggling on!! Im edit avchd video and some after effects, small amount of 3d, and in FCP i always transcoded everything to prores. Now on cs5.5 it looks like real time performance is possible with high end hardwear.
So mobo, ram, and chip aside, my HDD config im unsure on, ive not really got the cash to go crazy with raid controllors etc, but understand need for seperate drives, etc and tbh might even go downt he cineform route as a prores alternative (prob avoiding hassles of drive speed with avchd)
im thinking as the SSD's are now dropping in price and the ocz are producing these 500 mb r/w speed sata 6 120gb drives for a reasonable price, would 3 of these drives (one for os, one for media , one for scracth disk ) be a good set up or is it a waste of cash and should i raid 0 from bios/mobo?
I appreicate that 120 gb drives for media etc are small, but i would take project media from another much large backup drive and just use the 3x ssd set up as working disks for editing & os? once project over, clear out drives to larger back up and start new project!
Its either that or i go SSD as bootdrive, but some sort of cheap raid set up for my scratch disk, media drives? prob is if i do that, from what ive read (brain dead now) i would be best off with 2 x raid 0 as scratch disk and orginal media respectively when workign with avchd
HOWEVER, on my mobo there are only 4 sata 6 ports, so if i use one for ssd boot drive, and then im left with 3 x sata 6 ports and another 4 x sata 3 ports to raid on? how does this work? any point in getting the sata 6 drives as one would be stripped with a sata 6 drive plugged into a sata 3 port (this was my reasoning behind using 3 small sata 6 ssd's plugged to the sata 6 ports and rest of sata 3 ports as storage and backups!
confused lol!! I just want the overclocked sandybridge system with decent gpu card, as much ram as possible at present, but im thinking my bottleneck will be in the HDD config! any suggestions are much appreicated! im not that techy so whilst have read all the articles am more confused now (plus normally a mac user, so its out of the box configuration usually!) for what its worth looking to purchase something from scan uk in terms of parts! total build cost including a reasonable screen £2,000
many thanks

You have a limited budget, especially in the UK, but then don't we all?
Going for the 980X will triple the cost of the CPU, but even when editing AVCHD material the gains are not sizable enough IMO to justify that cost differential. Add to that you will need 24 GB instead of 16 GB and that carries an additional price tag. Both factors will easily move you out of budget range if you want to have a number of disks and possibly a raid controller.
Did you read my article To Raid or not to Raid, that is the question. It can be found under the Overview tab at the top of the page? (Currently responding from abroad on my notebook and not having the bookmarks available for easy linking). http://forums.adobe.com/thread/525263
With media and projects I would advise against a raid0, because of the lack of redundancy. For pagefile, media cache and previews (scratch disks) raid0 is quite OK. They will be recreated if needed. The performance gain from a raid0 for media and projects over a parity raid is easily offset by the time spent on making backups. For parity raids do not use WD Caviar Blacks, but look at the Hitachi 7K3000 line of disks.
The question of Sandy Bridge versus the old X58 platform is essentially one of 'which limitations are acceptable to me'.
The Sandy Bridge is a great processor and at least the equal to the old i7-9xx quad cores. However, the platform, the chipset, has its shortcomings in terms of PCIe lanes. Whether that is relevant to you, only you can decide. But hey, we would be in serious trouble if Intel did not manage some progress in two years time from the i7-920 to the i7-2600K. So of course the i7-2600K shows much more potential than the almost retired 920, it is the chipset for the Sandy Bridge that is 'flawed' in comparison to the X58, but that is no surprise, since the Sandy Bridge is a 'middle-of-the-road' platform and the X58 was a 'high performance' platform.
BFTB-wise I think that within your budget limits, you should look at the i7-2600K, but with the best disk setup you can afford.

RAID Question? K8N Neo...

I just purchased the K8N Neo Platinum and noticed right away that my Maxtor 6Y08OMO 7200rpm SATA HD has just became a speed demon.. It now beats my 15K rpm Cheatah and my Raptors... My question is can I have two completely diferent RAID arrays? One for Windows XP on the two Raptors and one with the two Maxtors for high speed storage/video editing stuff???
Maybe like this:
SATA 1/2 = Raptors in RAID 0
SATA 3/4 = Maxtors in RAID 0
Can I do this on the K8N Neo Platinum?
If I can do this than I will be getting a second Maxtor right away...
Thanks in advance...

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Originally posted by }SkOrPn--'
I know I can do RAID but didnt know if I could do 2 RAID arrays simultaneously. If so than I will get another Maxtor drive. Thanks for replying.
I love this board...
You can.
You should look into raid 0+1 for the raptors though.

MSI Neo-FIS2R build questions! & SATA RAID questions!

This is going to sound like a stupid question. And I'm not even sure that I know what I am asking.
I've built two computers so far. One with an MSI K7N2G-L and another with an MSI K7N2G-ILSR. Both nForce2 motherboards with AMD processors.
Here's what I'm getting at... I'm planning on building a new machine with either the Abit IC7-G or the MSI Neo-FIS2R (both 875P boards obviously).
Now, when I built the two nForce2 boards it was really easy. I put all of the components together, turned on the machine, the bios auto enabled settings, I put the windows xp pro cd in the cd drive and formatted the hard drive for NTFS, I then installed the OS and booted the system! Then I intstalled the drivers fromt the MSI CD. Ran Live BIOS and flashed to the most current motherboard BIOS. SIMPLE! Everything worked fine.
Here's my question. For the 875P system will everything pretty much happen the same way? Or do I need to do additional things? One of my main concerns (especially if I go with the Abit IC7-G over the MSI) is flashing the bios. Do I need a floppy drive or something? I've never flashed a BIOS outside of the Live BIOS utility. I don't want to put a floppy drive in my system! What are my options here?
Not that I want to do it, but if I needed to (say with the Abit board) HOW DO I FLASH THE BIOS WITHOUT USING THE LIVE BIOS UTILTY?
Bottom line is, I'm building this system for someone else and I want it all to be a painless experience (especially if they are looking over my shoulder).
One final question. This may sound even more stupid than the first question. I'm purchasing SATA drives ONLY. I'm not purchasing any IDE drives. So, here's my question...Can I boot from a SATA drive? What if it's in RAID 0? From the posts in the forums it appears that the SATA and RAID on these 875P motherboards either doesn't work or isn't very reliable (may potentially lose data). IS THIS AT ALL TRUE?! I'm stupid when it comes to RAID and SATA. Any help in this department would be appreciated.
Thanks.

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Originally posted by ZippyGaloo
1. If I only install one SATA drive I have to set it up as a RAID anyway right? Wrong?
2. If I install two SATA drives I have to set it up as a RAID as well right? Wrong?
3. If I install two SATA drives and set up a RAID
(either 0 or 1) which drive does the OS go on?
I have never built a raid array (as yet) and have never owned a SATA disk (as yet), but from what I have read...
RAID is a method of connecting several disks together so they perform as a single disk. That means, in response to your points above:
1) If you install only one drive (SATA or not), it will not be set up as RAID.
2) If you install two SATA drives, you have the option of using them as two individual drives OR setting them up in a RAID 0 or 1 configuration.
3) Ok, RAID 0 is known as "striping" - this method makes two disks look like one big disk, that works twice as fast as the individual drives. Every time the PC writes data to the drive, it sends the first bit of data to drive 1, the second to drive 2, then drive 1 again etc etc. This speeds up the disk read/write time, as the two disks can both work simultaneously. To the OS though, the two drives appear as one. The OS will be spread across both disks - it needs both of them connected to run, take either disk out and you'll be left with half an OS (that obviously won't work)
With RAID 1 (known as "mirroring"), you still use two disks. You will only have a useable capacity of the smallest disk however (using two 40gb drives only gives you a total of 40gb of space. with RAID 0, two 40gb disks will make one big one - nearly 80gb large {I think the RAID system itself uses a bit of space}). The advantage with mirroring, is the second disk holds an exact copy of the first. If one disk goes bang, you have a duplicate copy on the second - so, to answer your point above, the OS will reside on both disks.
To summarize, RAID 0 is good for increasing speed; RAID 1 is good for increasing protection of your data as you have two copies incase a drive gives up. To get the best of both worlds you need RAID 0+1 (this method needs 4 disks though, 2 striped - then 2 mirroring the striped).
There is a lot to RAID - just search the net for some manuals if you're interested, hope this gives you an idea though (providing I've got it right!)

Newbie raid question

I am about to upgrade from a G5 powermac dual-core 2.0 to a Mac Pro. I have never used a raid configuration and need a little help. I intend to configure the Mac Pro with a 160GB drive and buy 2 320GB Seagates to use in a raid configuration. All I know is that this should increase HD performance. Some questions:
1. What type of raid configs are there?
2. What is the most appropriate raid config for general use?
3. Can I use this config for boot and apps as if I am using a single drive?
4. If I had 4 drives can I have 2 seperate raid configs which OSX sees as 2 drives?
5. Could I set the 2 320GB drives in raid for boot and apps and use the 160GB in bay 3 for Windows?
6. Is the difference in performance compared to standard single drives really that great - I mostly use Aperture and Logic Pro?
7. Finally does anybody have any recommendations for quiet, inexpensive HDs over 250GB that are good for raid?
As I said I am totally new to raid so forgive my naivety on the subject. Any information is greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Michael

I agree with Allen, the RAID options Apple gives you in Disk Utility has a lot of limited uses and drawbacks.
If you search for "RAID" and my posts you'll learn a lot from my experience.
Basically it comes to this:
If you need extreme speed for CS2 (over 3GB) Photoshop file manipulation, to eliminate any bottleneck with drive speed for a heavy duty render, huge file duplication in a production environment where halving your drive speed could come in handy, then a dedicated small RAID 0 (stripe) pair as a working disk with two extremely small fast drives is ideal.
Either a pair of 10,000 RPM 74GB or 150GB Raptors, but the data on them must be backed up or the boot drive auto-cloned frequently as RAID 0's are risky. Striping large drives is not advised as substantial data loss can occur and the considerable time it takes to backup/clone the stripe set.
Some, like me, use this as a boot drive. The extreme speed comes in handy occasionally, but rarely.
(note: PowerMac G5 users may need a bootable Firmtek SATA PCI card to use the newer Western Digital drives)
RAID 1 (mirror) immediately duplicates the data to another drive, which only offers hardware protection. If you corrupt one drive, so does the other drive get corrupted. So it's best to use auto-cloning/auto-backup software to clone the boot drive to the second drive once a week and auto-backup select folders nightly. This way you have the benefit of time.
Apple also offers the option to chain one drive to another, making it appear as one. If your data fills up one drive, it can spill over onto the other. This is just as risky as RAID 0, have one drive fail and you could lose data on the set.

MSI K7T266A PRO2 RU - raid question?

Question to all of you, when You creating new array in raid bios we have three options(FastTrak100 "Lite")
A/V editing -
Server -
and Desktop - 64 kb
As you see last option has 64 kb size, question is what about the rest?
Best Regards
Radoslaw ZICZ

I'm sorry mate, was not a try to spam you forum sections, i posted there and then noticed it wasn't the good place at all and copy/pasted the whole text to another post, in the socket A based motherboards forum.

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