MSI Neo-FIS2R build questions! & SATA RAID questions!

This is going to sound like a stupid question. And I'm not even sure that I know what I am asking.
I've built two computers so far. One with an MSI K7N2G-L and another with an MSI K7N2G-ILSR. Both nForce2 motherboards with AMD processors.
Here's what I'm getting at... I'm planning on building a new machine with either the Abit IC7-G or the MSI Neo-FIS2R (both 875P boards obviously).
Now, when I built the two nForce2 boards it was really easy. I put all of the components together, turned on the machine, the bios auto enabled settings, I put the windows xp pro cd in the cd drive and formatted the hard drive for NTFS, I then installed the OS and booted the system! Then I intstalled the drivers fromt the MSI CD. Ran Live BIOS and flashed to the most current motherboard BIOS. SIMPLE! Everything worked fine.
Here's my question. For the 875P system will everything pretty much happen the same way? Or do I need to do additional things? One of my main concerns (especially if I go with the Abit IC7-G over the MSI) is flashing the bios. Do I need a floppy drive or something? I've never flashed a BIOS outside of the Live BIOS utility. I don't want to put a floppy drive in my system! What are my options here?
Not that I want to do it, but if I needed to (say with the Abit board) HOW DO I FLASH THE BIOS WITHOUT USING THE LIVE BIOS UTILTY?
Bottom line is, I'm building this system for someone else and I want it all to be a painless experience (especially if they are looking over my shoulder).
One final question. This may sound even more stupid than the first question. I'm purchasing SATA drives ONLY. I'm not purchasing any IDE drives. So, here's my question...Can I boot from a SATA drive? What if it's in RAID 0? From the posts in the forums it appears that the SATA and RAID on these 875P motherboards either doesn't work or isn't very reliable (may potentially lose data). IS THIS AT ALL TRUE?! I'm stupid when it comes to RAID and SATA. Any help in this department would be appreciated.
Thanks.

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Originally posted by ZippyGaloo
1. If I only install one SATA drive I have to set it up as a RAID anyway right? Wrong?
2. If I install two SATA drives I have to set it up as a RAID as well right? Wrong?
3. If I install two SATA drives and set up a RAID
(either 0 or 1) which drive does the OS go on?
I have never built a raid array (as yet) and have never owned a SATA disk (as yet), but from what I have read...
RAID is a method of connecting several disks together so they perform as a single disk. That means, in response to your points above:
1) If you install only one drive (SATA or not), it will not be set up as RAID.
2) If you install two SATA drives, you have the option of using them as two individual drives OR setting them up in a RAID 0 or 1 configuration.
3) Ok, RAID 0 is known as "striping" - this method makes two disks look like one big disk, that works twice as fast as the individual drives. Every time the PC writes data to the drive, it sends the first bit of data to drive 1, the second to drive 2, then drive 1 again etc etc. This speeds up the disk read/write time, as the two disks can both work simultaneously. To the OS though, the two drives appear as one. The OS will be spread across both disks - it needs both of them connected to run, take either disk out and you'll be left with half an OS (that obviously won't work)
With RAID 1 (known as "mirroring"), you still use two disks. You will only have a useable capacity of the smallest disk however (using two 40gb drives only gives you a total of 40gb of space. with RAID 0, two 40gb disks will make one big one - nearly 80gb large {I think the RAID system itself uses a bit of space}). The advantage with mirroring, is the second disk holds an exact copy of the first. If one disk goes bang, you have a duplicate copy on the second - so, to answer your point above, the OS will reside on both disks.
To summarize, RAID 0 is good for increasing speed; RAID 1 is good for increasing protection of your data as you have two copies incase a drive gives up. To get the best of both worlds you need RAID 0+1 (this method needs 4 disks though, 2 striped - then 2 mirroring the striped).
There is a lot to RAID - just search the net for some manuals if you're interested, hope this gives you an idea though (providing I've got it right!)

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Neo-FIS2R (i875) Questions and overclockability

I just got this board, looks sweet, have all the features and all that.... but I still have a few questions.
First my system:
Chieftec 420Watt psu (tried a 520Watt and a 550Watt psu as well).
MSI Neo-FIS2R bios 1.6
2 x 512Mb Twinmos PC3200 CAS 2.5 (with winbond CH-5 chips).
P4 2,6C Phillipines With Alpha PAL8942T with a pretty powerful 8x8cm fan. Arctic Silver 3 paste used.
ATI Radeon 8500 Pro
Audigy 2
2 x 80gig in raid at onboard promise controller.
WinXP Pro SP1.
Now onto the questions:
CPU temp:
In bios it says 37-38 deg C
In PC Wizard (from www.cpuid.com) it says 27-28 deg C.
In Motherboard monitor, newest version it says:
Sensor 1 set to winbond 1 = 27-28 deg C
Sensor 2 set to winbond 2 = 53-54 deg C
Sensor 3 set to winbond 3 = 66-67 deg C!!!! :O
What is correct and where is those sensors placed? As 66-67 deg C seems to be wrong?
And why do it not boot when I put in my Silicon Image 680 IDE controller? Tried all bios settings and different PCI slots.
I tried to OC my CPU to 3,25GHz but failed = I get a BSOD after a while in Windows or windows locks up. PCI/AGP is locked to 34/68MHz, MEM is set to DDR333 so actually the memory is running at 400MHz @ 2,5-4-4-8 (verified with CPU-Z). Tried upping V-Core up to as high as 1,7V (won't go higher due to risk of damaging CPU) Tried upping DDR and AGP voltage as well, still no change. It works great at 2,8GHz though with DDR at 430MHz
Any ideas? Or did I just get a less overclockable CPU or a crappy mobo?
And why do the voltages show up as very varying? V-Core changes from 1,528 to 1,587 when set to 1,550V, other voltages do also vary a lot.... Tried 3 different high quality PSU's so that should not cause it. My previous asus board showed way more stable voltages.
Is the build quality of this board any good? As varying voltages and overclocking sems to vary a lot....
Yes and I'm annoyed with the mem performance and problem with manually setting the memory timings at higher FSB's. Fix will hopefully come. Highest mem score so far is 4,9K
Should probably have waited for the asus P4C800-E (P4C800 with CSA LAN and ICH5R southbridge).

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Originally posted by OC-Freak
CPU temp:
In bios it says 37-38 deg C
In PC Wizard (from http://www.cpuid.com) it says 27-28 deg C.
In Motherboard monitor, newest version it says:
Sensor 1 set to winbond 1 = 27-28 deg C
Sensor 2 set to winbond 2 = 53-54 deg C
Sensor 3 set to winbond 3 = 66-67 deg C!!!! :O
What is correct and where is those sensors placed? As 66-67 deg C seems to be wrong?
It's known problem MSI boards do not register tempratures right. It could however be resolved by another BIOS update.
So don't worry.
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And why do it not boot when I put in my Silicon Image 680 IDE controller? Tried all bios settings and different PCI slots.
Have you tried setting the onchip ATA operate mode to native?
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I tried to OC my CPU to 3,25GHz but failed = I get a BSOD after a while in Windows or windows locks up. PCI/AGP is locked to 34/68MHz, MEM is set to DDR333 so actually the memory is running at 400MHz @ 2,5-4-4-8 (verified with CPU-Z). Tried upping V-Core up to as high as 1,7V (won\'t go higher due to risk of damaging CPU) Tried upping DDR and AGP voltage as well, still no change. It works great at 2,8GHz though with DDR at 430MHz
Any ideas? Or did I just get a less overclockable CPU or a crappy mobo?
Just plain luck i guess, i have an 2.4C hitting 3.2 GHz.
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And why do the voltages show up as very varying? V-Core changes from 1,528 to 1,587 when set to 1,550V, other voltages do also vary a lot.... Tried 3 different high quality PSU\'s so that should not cause it. My previous asus board showed way more stable voltages.
Voltages always vary as they depend on the total powerconsumption of the system.
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Is the build quality of this board any good? As varying voltages and overclocking sems to vary a lot....
I cannot comment on this one as i have it's 865 sibling.
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Yes and I\'m annoyed with the mem performance and problem with manually setting the memory timings at higher FSB\'s. Fix will hopefully come. Highest mem score so far is 4,9K
Well, you are an early adopter of this new technology, there are always little problems with brand new products like these.
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Should probably have waited for the asus P4C800-E (P4C800 with CSA LAN and ICH5R southbridge).
You could always try to exchange to board, but i'd suggest you sit this one out. Asus itself isn't without problems. Take a look around the different forums around the world.
If you're really anxious to try something else, try the MSI 865 Neo2 FIS2R.

Please post you MSI NEO-Fis2r specs

If your amd 64 is running everything faster then you expected with an msi NEO-FIs2r please post your ram and other hardware specs.
I need to know what I'm doing wrong
Thanks

AMD64 3400+ @ 210FSB @ 1.5V with Turbo Enabled > Arctic silver 3 compound
1Gig OCZ Twinned PC3200 Dual Channel Platinum Series EL-DDR @ 2.2.6.2 @ 2.7v
MSI K8T800 Neo @ BIOS 1.2
2 x 36gb Raptors 10k rpm on Promise > RAID (striping)
Audigy 2 Platinum
Coolermaster ATC-201 all alloy case with 5 internal fans
Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu HSF
Globalwin Onyx 18db 520w K8/Server PSU
Onboard LAN + FW Disabled > 3com 10/100 nic instead
Radeon 9700 Pro (Hercules) OC @ 389/366 with Artic Silent HSF (to be replaced with R420 on release day :D)
FunC 1030 Mousematt with mouse skatez / Microsoft Opticalmouse / Internet Pro keyboard
Plextor Premium CDRW / Pioneer DVD / Panasonic Floppy
Temperatures : cpu idle 38c / stress 46c - system temp 36c (still trying to work out cuz last mobo was 22c with all these fans :/)
WinXP Pro SP1 + updates DX9.0b (will be Win64 in summer when released)
Prime 95 stable.
3dmark03 6103.
If you want a very stable PC build with the above specs .. excellent. no probs whatsoever - not even a slight hang/glitch or anything
Cheers.
Jon

MSI Neo-FIS2R 875P + Thermaltake Xaser3 V2000a

Anyone have any issues when connecting the RESET connector from the Xaser3 V2000a case to the MSI Neo-FIS2R 875P Mobo? When I do the board will not even POST. Could it be a faulty plug on the case as I doubt its the Mobo?
Btw.. only OCed the processor to 233/466 at default Vcore resulting in 3.26Ghz. Will be going much higher as well as OCed the Ram.
Mind you.. curious why WinXP+SP1 only shows the Processor at 2.80Ghz and not the new speed (3.26Ghz)? SiSandra also shows this but when I use MSI's InfoView it shows at 3.26Ghz. Probably nothing to worry about.. just wondering..
System Specs:
o Intel Pentium4 2.8Ghz 800FSB (Oced to 3.26Ghz)
o Swiftech MCW4000/Sunon 50.6cfm Cooler/Fan
o MSI Intel 875P Neo-FIS2R Motherboard (v1.2 Bios)
o OCZ Enhanced Latency Dual-Channel Series 2x512MB PC3500 DDR 433MHz RAM
o Asus GF3 V8200 Pure 64mb (Oced to 235Mhz Core/520Mhz Memory) but acquiring Gainward FX/5900 Ultra 256mb AGP8x card soon!
o Tekram U3D U-160 SCSI Controller
o IBM 15K Rpm 18gb U-160 SCSI
o IBM 10K Rpm 9gb U-160 SCSI
o Creative Sound Blaster Value
o Thermaltake® Xaser III V2000A Aluminum ATX Case w/ Window
o Antec AN-TRUE550 ATX Power Supply True 550W
o WinXP + SP1 + Direct/X 9.0a

Hi, just helped a friend with his new Xaser case and also had a very difficult time getting it to boot. We discovered that the chasis intrusion switch wasn't fully engaging. Cleared cmos and everything worked after that. Don't know if this will help or not. Good luck, it's a great case.

K8N Neo Platinum nf3 250Gb SATA RAID question?

Hi all I'm ready to make the move to an AMD A64 setup from my currnet P4.
You all know what a tough job it is to find the right motherboard for an A64
After much research I think the K8N Neo Platinum is the board for me, but there's one question I can't find an answer too. So I'm turning to this forum. Thanks much for any help.
I currently run a dual RAID"0" setup. Two WD360 Raptors as boot array off the Si3114 on-board controller and two WD740 Raptors as a game \ power apps storage array off the ICH5R southbridge.
My question is; Is it possible to run this drive setup off the K8N Neo Platinum's 4 SATA controllers? Two seperate RAID"0" arrays with one bootable.
thank you-Mike

I decided to go with a S939 instead....I know me...and I'll want one as soon as I got the S754 up & running
I ordered a K8T NEO2-FIR...Its got the on-board Promise SATA RAID controller + on chip VIA RAID...so it should suit my drive needs perfectly

K8n Neo Platinum non-booting SATA RAID setup question

I've spent several hours searching an reading trying to find out how to setup a non-bootable SATA RAID. All I can seem to find are posts about bootable installs using F6 and the drivers on a floppy.
I have setup the disks in the bios an defined the array an everything checks out. But when I boot back to WindowsXP it only sees 2 drives that it cannot find drivers for even if I point it to the correct Nvidia directory. I attempted to just reinstall the drivers but that caused a Bluescreen from a corrupt driver file that I then had to go into the repair console to copy from a floppy.
The manual an a couple of posts here say that I should go into Admin Tools-> Disk Management an it will then popup a wizard. But I'm not getting that far.
I currently have the disks on SATA 1 and 2 but will move them tonite because I've read its better for them to be on 3 and 4.
This is on a K8N Neo Platinum 7030 on Windows XP SP2. If anyone could help or just point me to where I can find help it would be greatly appreciated.

When the raid controller is enabled in bios and you start windows you can install the nvidia raid driver
from within windows .
Use the add hardware wizard from control panel .
Start the add-hw wizard .
Yes i have connected the hw - next .
Add a new hw device (bottom of the list ) -next .
Install the hw that i select manually from a list - next .
Select scsi/raid controller - next .
Choose have disk .
Then browse for the location of the nvraid.inf file

MSI NEO fis2r with promise raid and 4 SATA disks?

I have been trying to figure this out.....
I want to have a striping across 4 sata disks 3x250gb and
1x120gb.
I also want my IDE CD-ROM to work.
I can't seem to find the right combo in the Bios on how to set it up
and when I get the raid setup screen it only shows 2 drives not 4.
Anyone?
Thanks,
M

So in short i cannot have 4 SATA drives in a raid since the promise controller only supports 2...
I should be able to put in 4 sata drives in the machine and software raiding them or make them dynamic disks.
Well that blows! Guess I have to go out and buy a 4-port sata raid card.
Bummer.
-M

K8T Neo - FIS2R (model 6702) SATA and RAID Problems = Hair Loss

Hi All,
new to the forum, have searched but nothing like my problem exist.
I have a K8T Neo FIS2R M/B and trying to get a single SATA HDD working for my secondary drive. primary is a IDE which works well and I want to leave it.
I have plugged in the SATA HDD into the SER 1 port ( Promise 237 ?) anyhow the bois at startup or post recognises the drive, but then says soemthing like you have set up raid before F1 for setup F2 to continue to boot.
I have pressed both f1 and F2 at various time, but it appears that it want to turn the single drive into a RAID system, which is not possible with one drive !!....
Anyhow windows XP then boots up and loads a RAID driver and also the promise RAID drivers. the real problem is that XP sits and waits for the raid which never comes and during startup on XP. it is extremely slow.
Does anyone have any ideas. I am not that computer techy as you can see by the description, but it appears that I cannot get into the RAID bios to turn it off.. I have zapped the bios to try and reset it. basically i am loosing my hair ove this.
if anyone had some step by step instructions how to prevent raid from switching on at the bios and then in XP it would be greatly appreciated
Jeff

Hi All,
Sorry for the slow reply, retrieving the box from the bottom of the swimming pool !!!
I set it to SATA as you have indicated Hans, I did check that setting. Thankyou for checking.
Spray, I have tried the P20378 setting as well. You indicate that you need to press F6 when installing the OS. I have WinXP running already on an IDE master and am trying to set the SATA up as a secondary disk drive.
As I indicated above, the machine runs slowly to the point of it being a 486 when I use either promise or Via controllers.
I have since removed the drive and are now having problems with XP on boot up/startup. The thing seems to hang or go slowly when the horizontal bar runs across under the Windows XP logo. I have turned everything off in the bios both Promise and Via. I am at a loss as to why:
1 it runs slowly with the SATA drive in ( also does not show all the auto loading icons near the clock)
2. why it hangs when I remove it and turn both SATA controllers off in the bios.
I have a feeling that I may have corrupted part of the registry playing around. Any thoughts... going bald :-)
I really appreciate the feedback so far

[Athlon64] K8T Neo-FIS2R RAM Question

Hi All
At the moment I have 512mb of Corsair 3200 RAM (2x 256) in a MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R, and I was wondering if it would be ok to put another 1gig of non Corsair in with out it going nuts at me.
Thanks for any help.

Many thanks for the help.

875P Neo FIS2R-Slow boot with Raid on Intel + Raid on Promise

Hello all.
Here is the configuration I'm trying to set up (and almost did)
SI 875P Neo FIS2R,MS-6758 BIOS v2.4
P4 2.6 GHz HT
500W 6fan total
2x1G Kit DDR 400
2x74 G WD Raptor Raid0 (Intel S1-2) Win XP inst
2x36 G WD Raptor Raid0 (Promise S3-4)
GeCube X1600Pro
DVD-RW (IDE 2 )
Win XP SP2 (All latest updates installed)
I followed the instructions as they are listed in the sticky (great job btw) and configured the 2 SATA 74G WD Raptor on Intel Raid controller(serial1&2) as Raid0 and install WindowsXP Prof sp 2 on it.
Then I configured the 2 SATA 36G WD Raptor on Promise controller(serial3&4) as Raid0 and added this Raid to the existing WindowsXP installation.
This set up is working very good once I'm logged into Windows with no problems at all.
The glitch is that I need 3 min waiting time till I see the windows loading logo.
I have all the latest drivers installed also IAA and INFs and my bios is as the default values except the changes mentioned in the sticky
Onboard Promise IDE - as Raid
ON-Chip IDE Configuration:
Native Mode
SATA Only
Keep SATA Active - Yes
Keep PATA Active - Yes
PATA Channel selection - Both
Configure SATA as Raid - Yes
I did the Win XP installation twice till now, taking care to install INFs and drivers in the right order but the result is the same...3-5 mins till I have a fully operational windows environment and after that all is running like a dream.
Now, I've searched in the forum and saw that many more people have the same problem but never read the solution to it, so if someone has ever found the way to solve this or has the same configuration please tell me how he did it. Even if someone knows that it can't be solved just drop me a line telling me so. Altough the system is running smoothly I find the 3 min waiting time unacceptable and frustrating. I've run out of ideas so please help me.
Thanks in advance

Hello Blazer and thank you for replying.
Answering one at a time...
are both raid arrays setup with the same stripe size?--> Yes Both arrays are configured at 16k stripes
do you see both the intel and the promise bios setup screens?-->Yes both screens (Intel(R) RAID... and Fast Built (tm) ...)appear almost instantly after MSI's logo screen showing my Raid arrays in Normal status. The delay starts after the Promise's screen till the Windows Loading logo screen.
how is the raid bootable drive identified in the boot from menu?-->
Boot Device Priority:
1st BBS-0 (Raid): Intel <name> (---> this is the OS drive on Intel controller)
2nd Disabled
3rd Disabled
Try other boot devices NO
I have also the option to select the the Drive on Promise which shows as BBS-1 (Raid) FT 378 Ary 1 but I have left it out cause it doesn't have the OS on it.
is the OS drive labeled as C: and seen as 200GB drive [as one] from the four drive array]--> No as it shouldn't cause these are two different Raid Arrays. The first Raid on Intel's controller with the 2x74G WD Disks indeed shows as one C: 137 G and has the OS on it. The second on Promise controller with 2x36G WD Disks also shows as one D: 70G.These are two separate Arrays with 2 disks each and they show as indented.
is network boot enabled causing a delayed boot?--> I don't quit understand what you mean. In case you mean what happens if I unplug the 2 disks from the promise controller then yes if I do that the system boots fast in the Windows even if I leave the Bios setting "configure promise as raid"!!!
My problem is similar with this post: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=69994.0
other posts that have reported the same trouble:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=94944.msg683258#msg683258
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=81901.0
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=66662.0
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=98005.0 ---> I wish it was that simple, I did it as with all other drivers
I hope that info helps you helping me.

NEO Platinum (754 nForce3) SATA RAID Question

Because my ASUS Mainboard died yesterday, i am planing to buy the NEO Platinum for 754 socket. As i can see in manual, there is option in BIOS to disable or enable RAID function for each SATA port. There are 2x2 separate SATA ports, but only one SATA Controller.
I have 3 SATA Harddisk - 2 are in RAID0 Stripeset, and one drive as normal, standalone drive. My question:
Is it posible to connect the 2 RAID0 drives on SATA ports 3 and 4 and use them as RAID0 Stripeset, but at the same time to connect the 3rd standalone drive on port 1 or 2 in normal mode, also NO RAID use?
Theoraticaly, ase in manual - it should be posible (because you can switch the RAID function on or off for each SATA port, but on the other side - phisicaly - its only ONE SATA controller on board.
I need fast reply, so i can order the board in webshop. Thanx.

Thanx people, but now i habe another question. On my ASUS board i have connected 2 RAID drives on Silicon Image RAID controller - but the NEO Platinum have nVidia RAID controller.
Can i migrate with the RAID drives to another RAID controller without loose of data? I mean, i know that i must install again WinXP, thats no problem - the thing is, i want to keep my data on other partitions untouched. So, i have to boot to nVidia RAID options - to set a new Stripeset, but can i also mark the set as "healthy" and use it normaly (offcourse with fresh XP install on C:)?

MSI NEO 4 Platinum with SATA Drive

I have recently built a new machine with the following specs but I am having problems with system stability in windows and was wondering whether it's because of the way I set up the hard drive.
Specs:
MSI K8N Neo 4 Platinum
AMD Athlon 64 3500 Winchester
Zalman CNPS7000B-Cu
1GB Corsair XMS PC3200 RAM
Sapphire X800 XT
Sound Blaster Audigy Player
Maxtor 80GB Serial ATA Hard Drive
Maxtor 40GB IDE Hard Drive
550W PSU
I plugged my SATA drive into slot 1 and booted from the maxblast 3 CD to partition and set up the hard drive. I then installed windows 98 and upgraded to windows 2000. My system seems to be slow and laggy, though it seems mostly fine in games. When I listen to music and browse a CD at the same time the sound stutters and lags. I am getting lots of slow down when doing lots of things on the computer but it shouldn't slow down as much as it is. I am also getting windows error messages.
Is there a different way I should have installed the hard drive. I can't boot from my windows 2000 disk in dos because it's only upgrade version. I read on the forum about adding the SATA drive to a raid array before installing windows but I don't understand what this means. Can you help?
The floppy drive also doesn't seem to work so I couldn't install SATA drivers at windows setup. How can I get it working because the lead seems to be connected correctly as it gives an error message on boot up with the purple stripe the other side of the floppy drive.

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I can do it with a windows XP upgrade CD surely
yes
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Me Yesterday, 12:55
If you have an XP upgrade CD follow the following steps.
1) Decide which HD you wish to install XP on.
If the Sata - Then turn of PC & unplug IDE Drive, this is a windows thing, as XP will see the Ide drive b4 the Sata & try to create the 1st drive as system drive. You can plug the ide back in when the install is complete.
2) Insert XP Cd. Enter Bios - Advanced bios change boot order so that CD is 1st device. or press f11 as pc posts, & select CD.
3) The PC should now boot from the XP CD.
You don't need to load any floppy drivers.
But XP will ask to see a qualifying product, put in your 2000 or 98 CD.
You should see a Hard drive Partition Setup screen - you can use this to delete any existing partition & format the drive (Don't use the quick format it's only quick cos it dont check for errors so slow & safe is best. See section How to partition and format your hard disk by using the Windows XP Setup program

AMD64 3200+ & MSI Neo FIS2R. Working great after some problems!!

Hi all... after have some troubles with my new computer, now all is working near to OK.
(EDIT: I've changed my sig because I've done many changes to my PC. The memory I had before was 2x512 VDATA pc3200)
As you can see in my sig my power suply is PATHETIC (+12V ~10 amps) but the system runs fine, doing desktop work or playing new 3D games (as Far Cry, or some older as IL2 Forgotten Battles, or BF1942 + DC + Forgotten hope).
(EDIT:The PSU I had before was one of these bad PSUs included with the case). Now I've an Antec 480W PSU
The solution was to reduce the RAM velocity from 400Mhz to 333Mhz of my VDATA Dimms. I know it sucks, but I've changed the timings and voltage too, but It didn't work. Only reducing the RAM velocity has been the solution for the unwanted reboot. About the reboot... my PC only rebooted when I tried to play 3D games, not in desktop work. It happened some minutes after begin to play.
No need to say I've installed all the lastest versions & fixes for OS, GPU, Mobo, Bios, etc.
I know I'd have to change the power suply, and get new RAM to get the 400Mhz velocity. I'll change the RAM in few days (I'm looking for memory which had been tested by MSI succesfully). I'll buy a power suply later.
Well I hope my experience serves to you. I'll post again when I get my new RAM

Hi all... yesterday I bought a new PSU: Antec Power true (blue) 480. As you can see at my updated sig it has 22 amps. in the +12V Rail.
I'm very sad, because the RAM problem is not solved!!!
I've tried again diferent settings CAS, TRAS, etc. I've set 1.7V in the AGP and 2.7 in the DDR. I've tried only with 1 of the DIMMS, and changing the 2nd dimm to 3rd slot. But the only solution to get an stable system when I'm gonna play is under-clocking the memory speed to 333 MHz.
I think now you can't say that the problem is the PSU...
Any ideas?
Anyone knows where I can get some information about this VDATA memory? I've found the website of ADATA memory. I suppose is the same memory, but there isn't info about the settings (CAS, TRAS...) you have to set in the bios to get it works fine.
All I can say is what is written in the DIMM:
VDATA DDR400(3) 512M*8 - MDGVD6G3H3X10B1E0K - PC3200
S/N: 426G3H3XH
SALTEK
It seems like that:
Ammm.. other questions. I can see in MSI corecenter that VCore has 1.550 V, and its shown in red. I haven't overclocked that volts value at bios. It's set as AUTO. SiSoft Sandra tests says it's not a good value for the VCore. Is it normal?
And Corecenter and CPU-Z says that my processors is 2000 MHz (10x200). This value never changed. I thought cool n' quiet changed the FAN speed, but I thought that it changed the CPU velocity too. What can you say about it?
(EDIT)-> About the CPU velocity. I have seen in other thread that if I enable Cool n' quiet in bios and I set to "minimal" the power management profile in Windows XP energy options, the CPU velocity will change on application's demand (from ~800 MHz to 2000MHz). I had the CnQ enable, but not the minimal power management profile, so it was at 2000MHz and didn't change. Now it works!!
Anyway, I thought my CPU default velocity was 2200MHz not 2000. Anybody can say me if 2000 is the default velocity of AMD 64 3200+ (Clawhammer)?
Thanks

MSI NEO F 965 HAS NO RAID

You just killed this board. I have been searching this forum why i cant get into raid setup but when i learn this board has no raid, made me really negative about this board. You people put an option into setup that we can choose as a raid or ide mode but you just dont add 2 more raid slot on this lovely board. On users manual you have a page how to make raid. There are some missed sata ports they are SATA 2 SATA 5 but other ports SATA 1(j MICRON), SATA 3,SATA4,SATA6 and SATA 7
just one useles j micron port and 4 ICH8 intel sata port and numared wrong. Very very useless.
Tomorrow i am giving this borad back to the computer shop.
Thanks for doing this..
bye bye MSI...

This model did not comes with any RAID on JMicron.
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=744
The platinum series does but only for SATA II controllers.
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=745

K8t neo fis2r - winx xp64 promise raid driver

hello
i already posted in forum Operating systems, but it seems nobody can help me there.
i got my retail version of WINDOWS XP PRO x64 yesterday and im NOT able to run it
the beta worked ok, but this one makes just a short bluescreen + reboot after 2sec booting.
error message:
Quote
a problem has been detected and windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer.
if this is the first time you've seen this stop error screen, restart your computer. if this screen appears again, follow these steps:
check for viruses on your computer, remove any newly installed hard drives or hard drive controllers, check your hard drive to make sure it is properly configured and ....
run chkdsk /f to check for hard drive corruption and then ...
i guess its the promise 64bit driver which makes trouble, but not sure...
in the beta i was using the beta promise driver without problems. am i right ? i downloaded again from promise page : fasttrak s150 x2 plus <----- right driver ???
msi should really host an official working driver now... i payed 150 euro for this OS and all i get is a fast reboot
btw: safe mode doesnt work too (but the installation works flawless without problems)

Quote from: Bavarian on 02-June-05, 08:14:52
well, i think there is no need to use the hack anymore. it looks like win xp pro x64 enables it by default
North Bridge Eigenschaften
North Bridge   AMD Hammer IMC
Revision   00
In-Order Queue Depth   8
Speicher Timings
CAS Latency (CL)   2T
RAS To CAS Delay (tRCD)   3T
RAS Precharge (tRP)   2T
RAS Active Time (tRAS)   5T
Row Cycle Time (tRC)   11T
Row Refresh Cycle Time (tRFC)   13T
Command Rate (CR)   1T
RAS To RAS Delay (tRRD)   2T
Write Recovery Time (tWR)   3T
Fehlerkorrektur
ECC   Unterstützt, Deaktiviert
ChipKill ECC   Nicht unterstützt
DRAM Scrub Rate   Deaktiviert
L1 Data Cache Scrub Rate   Deaktiviert
L2 Cache Scrub Rate   Deaktiviert
Speichersteckplätze
DRAM Steckplatz #1   512 MB (DDR SDRAM)
DRAM Steckplatz #2   512 MB (DDR SDRAM)
i used Everest Home Edition to read this information and i didnt install WPCSET
??? I'll have to check mine.... A64 tweaker was showin 2T timing as enabled.

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