Aperture 2.0 losing referenced filesa

Since I upgrade to 2.0 aperture has been acting very strange in regards to my referenced files. When i click on my entire library and manage referenced files it always comes up that 101 files are missing. If i go and find those they do not show up missing. If i try to click on different files in the managed files pane it will just keep the one preview image up. I do not know what to do? should I try to un-install aperture and then reinstall it? Would these keep my library all the same?
thanks,
Weston Miller

Hi blufox and rkkwan,
thanks for your feedback... that means that those combined format settings that the 40D allows are more or less useless when using Aperture. I read that the 40D saves two separate files with the same file name onto the CF card. But as far as I understand your feedback and the experience that I made myself is, that Aperture 2 ignores the JPEGS... is that really true?
We have three people seeing this behavior and only the original poster describing something different. Maybe there is some hidden option that lets the user alter this behavior?
Someone else on this topic? Hope we'll find out what really happens here. It is a shame that there is no mentioning neither in Canon's nor in Apple's Aperture manual... but maybe I have not checked them thoroughly enough
Greetings!
Marc

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Aperture loosing track of referenced masters

I'm having a problem with Aperture loosing track of referenced masters. I have more than 10,000 images in Aperture most of them are stored as referenced masters. I have several projects where "some" of the files have (according to Aperture) gone missing. The images were imported into Aperture at the same time, have always been in their current location (in the same directory), and have not been treated any differently than each other. Looking at the files in the grid view doesn't show any differences in the master file location. Does anyone have any idea how Aperture gets confused?
thanks
Rich

It seems to be leopard thing, probably connected to either time machine or spaces. There are a number of threads about this, but no real answers as far as I know.

Can you move the aperture library without losing images?

my library is defaulted to imac..
but can you house it on external drive..I know, yes, as a referenced library.
but I already have some [lots] images in library.
can I move the library and maintain contents?
also..
once you import into library, is the original image in folder it was in before? or it's deleted?
just trying to see what will work best for my needs?
as I sometimes travel/live in 2nd home and just carry external drive
thanks for input/suggestion

Menu>File>Vault
Creating what Ap[erture calls a 'Vault' seems like the easiest way to do it.
Here is the complete Help section on backing up your library.
QUOTE:
As you begin working with Aperture, it’s important to perform regular backups of your photos. Using the Aperture backup system, you can create backups and update them whenever you wish. Aperture tracks your backups and indicates how up to date your most recent backup is. In the rare event of equipment failure or an unforeseen catastrophe such as a fire or weather-related damage, you can easily restore the entire Aperture library onto your computer or a new computer.
You set Aperture to back up a copy of the library to a designated storage area called a vault. For safety and redundancy, use external hard disks to hold your vaults. You can create as many vaults as you deem necessary.
When you back up your photos, Aperture makes a complete copy of the library in its current state. If you remove items from the library, those items are removed from the backup when it is next updated.
All originals for managed images, all versions, and all metadata, previews, and adjustment information associated with your photos are backed up. The versions, previews, and metadata associated with referenced images are also backed up in the vault.
Important: Referenced images’ originals are not backed up in the vault with the library. Because the originals for referenced images are stored outside of the library, you must manage the backup and archiving of them yourself.
A typical backup system used with Aperture might look like the following:
This system backs up the Aperture library to two vaults stored on external hard disks. You routinely back up the library on one external hard disk. You use the second hard disk as a backup that you keep offsite. You can then rotate your onsite external hard disk with the offsite hard disk to keep all your vaults updated.
To set up your Aperture backup system, you need to do the following:
Determine the number of vaults you need. For example, do you need one for routine backups, one for weekly backups, and one for offsite storage?
Determine the number of hard disks you need for routine backups.
Determine the number of hard disks you’ll use for storing backups offsite.
Connect your hard disk drives to your computer.
Open Aperture and create the vaults you need, assigning a hard disk to each vault.
Update the new, empty vaults with copies of the Aperture library.
Disconnect one of the vault hard disks and take it to an offsite location for safekeeping.
When planning the amount of storage space you’ll need, estimate the amount of disk space needed to hold your existing digital images (photos you plan to import into Aperture) and the amount of space you might need for new projects. For example, RAW images typically require 8 to 25 or more megabytes (MB) of disk space per file. Estimating the number of photos in a typical project and the number of projects you usually create in a year, you can make a rough estimate of what might represent a year’s storage space.

OK to use Aperture to maintain iPhoto Referenced Library

I have Aperture and iPhoto. We are an OSX and Windows household. But thanks to the Windows 8 debacle, my wife (the diehard Windows user) has abandoned her PC with all regard to photos and videos (viewing, editing, sharing). Now, I use Aperture most of the time, but my wife uses iPhoto 100% of the time. I manage all the imports with Aperture. (I currently have one referenced library that I use in Aperture of all files and a second default iPhoto Library that is managed but only has post-2010 files in it. Both created in their respective programs, if that matters.)
Coincidentally, we are also at a point where we need to quit adding photos/videos to the PC or we'll exceed its backup capacity.
Now that she is using the iMac, I would like to get the Library organized and minimize my workflow and eliminate duplication. I do not have enough contiguous disk space for single managed aperture library. I have avoided proceeding because iPhoto and referenced files are not recommended by most of the experts here, for well founded reasons. However, now that both apps can use the same library, and Aperture handles referenced libraries so much better... why not go referenced now? I can leave the pre-2010 files on the PC, and keep all the post-2010 imports on the iMac, all in one Library. The fact that nobody is getting into the files on the PC virtually eliminates all the problems I've had in the past.
Is there something I'm missing?
Thanks for any thoughts on this, or hidden gotchas.

No assuming that you have the latest version of both iPhoto and Aperture so there is total interoperability between them
LN

Aperture 3 Backing Up Referenced Masters

I am trying to develop my workflow better.
I shoot images into the field and download them to my laptop. I then transfer them back to my iMac when I get home. I use Aperture 3 for my pictures.
In Aperture, I have all of my files referenced to a external drive. I want to back these photos up overnight using a Drobo or Synology NAS drive.
Does anyone have any experience on which would be better?
I could also implement a workflow in which the files will be referenced on the Drobo or NAS and then backed up overnight. I will be backing up the referenced just in case something were to happen to it.
Anyone have opinions on this?

Aperture 3 added a "Trash".
The deleted versions go into the trash, and you have to empty the trash to truly delete them. At this point it will ask if you want to delete the referenced masters as well.
As a pro, I'd rather not have a trash... But oh well, gotta appease the newbies.
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Aperture loose link with Referenced Masters

I just upgraded to Aperture 2 and spent days organizing and creating an elaborate library of referenced files. The masters were placed on an external HD via FW 800. Things were working perfectly until I launched Aperture and there was no sign of my library. Aperture looked brand new with an empty library other than the sample images from the Installation Disc.
If I go to Aperture Preferences it is correct is pointing to the attached external disc where I have my masters stored. Fortunately, when I look on my external HD the images are still there. The Aperture application just won't recognize the files on the external HD.
This is very frustrating as I spent days creating this elaborate organization.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

midnightsun wrote:
I just upgraded to Aperture 2 and spent days organizing and creating an elaborate library of referenced files. The masters were placed on an external HD via FW 800. Things were working perfectly until I launched Aperture and there was no sign of my library. Aperture looked brand new with an empty library other than the sample images from the Installation Disc.
Really dumb question. Where is the actual Aperture Library located? Do you have more than one Aperture Libraries? In other words, Aperture Library on your internal and external drives.
If so, just start Aperture by double clicking the external drive Aperture Library where you store the referenced master files. Or do what I do, is to have the Aperture Library on my internal drive and all of my image master files on an external drive.
Hope this helps...

Aperture won't locate referenced files

I get I dialoge box that says there are no referenced files associated with this picure but I spotlight finds it in a split second. Half of my pictures look blank after importing my Apeture library into my new iMac. Any suggestions would be deeply appreciated.

Half of my pictures look blank after importing my Apeture library into my new iMac.
How did you transfer your Aperture library to your new mac? From a TM backup? Did you copy it?
I get I dialoge box that says there are no referenced files associated with this picure but I spotlight finds it in a split second.
When do you see this message? Are you trying to reconnect the versions to the original files with the "Locate Referenced Files" dialog?
but I spotlight finds it in a split second.
Where does Spotlight find the originals? Inside the Aperture library or in a folder outside?
Please explain more.
Regards
Léonie

Aperture 3 not deleting referenced masters

I have upgraded to Aperture 3 and unfortunately it does not delete the (newly imported) referenced master file.
Aperture 2 always asked whether I also wanted to delete the master or not, when deleting a version. Aperture 3 has not asked me this question yet. Is this by design or is something not working?
When a version is selected in an album and I select "File>Delete master and all versions" the versions are deleted, but when I go to the folder where the reference masters are located the file is still there. The files are in a folder on my Mac book pro.
Thanks for any thoughts/solutions

Aperture 3 added a "Trash".
The deleted versions go into the trash, and you have to empty the trash to truly delete them. At this point it will ask if you want to delete the referenced masters as well.
As a pro, I'd rather not have a trash... But oh well, gotta appease the newbies.
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Graceful way to migrate from iPhoto to Aperture -- w/o losing metadata?

Does anyone have advice on migrating an iPhoto library into Aperture without losing some critical metadata? I'm specifically concerned about two things:
1. "Original" and "Modified" versions: I shoot RAW but put quite a bit of work into post-processing photos (e.g., white balance correction, cropping, etc.) It's very important to me that I don't lose the connection between original and modified versions of files. Additionally, when I browse an event, I would like to be able to see the "modified" version of files that I have edited and "original" version of files that I have not -- just like in iPhoto. My efforts to date have resulted in either A) losing original versions of all modified photos or B) creating an Aperture project with duplicate original and modified copies of each iPhoto photo.
2. "Hidden" photos. The "hide/unhide" feature is the best tool iPhoto provides for sorting "good" pictures from "bad" in a shot, so I have used it extensively. I would like to not lose this information when migrating to Aperture (even if it takes a different form -- maybe "reject"?), and it would certainly be nice to be able to optionally either browse all photos in a shot or only those that were not hidden when in iPhoto.
Is there any hope?
(Context: I've been using iPhoto for years, but I really like Aperture's interface and photo tuning/editing options. I've considered migrating a number of times and have always turned back because of how much information I'd lose in the migration. Has anyone managed to crack the code... or has Apple finally made this transition doable?)

I do have a related question and problems. Any input would be greatly appreciated
I am in the process of migrating my iPhoto pictures over to Aperture. Because I have close to 100k pictures and short clips, I can not import my entire 500 GB library at once because I don't have enough hard drive space to support both iPhoto and Aperture libraries at the same time. I also thought it might make sense to not have one gigantic library. Also I would like to have my old photos separated by years, and I don't know if Aperture would do this if I imported the entire iPhoto library (which does only separate them by events) at once. So it appears to me that the only import method that would work (please correct me if this is wrong) would be to open the "Masters" directory of iPhoto in the Finder, and drag and drop each year's directory into the "Projects/Library" panel in Aperture. Note that I do not want any editing information preserved from iPhoto, so using the Masters seems to be the most space efficient thing. So far so good but there appear to be at least two big snags. Firstly the yellow projects folders within each blue years folder in Aperture are not in chronological but in alphabetical order and I can't find out how to fix this. Secondly (and much more problematically) the dates on many old photos have been altered in an apparent random manner during the import into Aperture! Therefore they do appear in the wrong locations in my events library, according to the altered date. There are many too many photos that have been changed to undo this manually (I estimate it would take several weeks to do this).
But how and why could this have happened in the first place?
I also noticed that even when I change the dates of the Aperture masters to the true ones (by comparing to the masters in iPhoto), they still remain in the same wrong location in my Projects/Events library, according to the date originally (and falsely) assigned by Aperture.
There surely has to be a way to import photos into Aperture without ruining their date stamp?
Thanks in advance for your help!

Aperture Advice: Managed or Referenced Files

I've looked through a lot of the threads here and done some googling. It seems the answer is - "it depends".
So I was hoping I could get some advice on how I can maxamise my use of aperture.
System specs - Mac OSX Imac 2.66 GHz dual core. 4gb ddr2 Ram.
Part of the problem I'm having is that I have a huge number of photos to manage (it's around 350gb of photos) so because of this i'm keeping my photos stored on a fast(ish) 1 terrabyte external drive. At the moment i'm using a managed system but I'm told part of the pro's of aperture is that it's easy to change your file systems.
I don't have any need to edit my image masters, if i need to access photos i just export a version.
So am i right in thinking the best system for me, will be to keep a library file on my Imac but set managed storage to keep the masters on my terrabyte external drive?
Would really appreciate some advice on how I can best use aperture i've noticed that whenever it's open it's a total system hog. I basically have to close it if I want to use anything else on the Imac. Final cut express and aperture open is a no-no for example.
Any advice is greatly appreciated
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C
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Why managed, I am lazy! One click back up using vaults, simplicity.
I have multiple RAIDs, my old "slow" RAID now has my libraries on it, the new "fast" RAIDs are used for video.
I do run multiple libraries and the only time I have had an issue with missing files was when playing with referenced. That said many people enjoy running a referenced system, for the way I work managed is easiest. Disk space is not an issue, backing up is not an issue, what is it now, $100 for a 2TB drive, on site and offsite covered for $200.
Tony

Deleting Aperture Trash when 'The referenced image's master has not been found'

i'm in a bit of a stick- ive got 107 images in my aperture trash with the 'The referenced image’s master has not been found'
how do i delete these?
Thanks
Nish

If I have a referenced image which has a missing master file I can stil move the version to the trash and empty the trash and it is gone from Aperture.
The only time I get any warning is if I have the check box set to also move the move the referneced master to the trash. Of course in this case Aperture can't fine the master so it can't move it to the trash. But if I click continue on the warning box the version is still removed from the Aperture trash.
So is it the missing referenced masters that you are asking how to delete? If so locate them in the finder and delete them as you would any ordinary file.
If this isn't want you are trying to do you'll need to post back.
regards

Aperture 3.4.3: Referenced images lost in time machine restore but previews remain

Dear Aperture Community,
I recently purchased a new iMac and used a time machine backup of my old iMac to move my files over to the new Mac. All seemed to work well, and I have been using my new iMac happily for a couple of weeks.
I have Aperture 3.4.3 with about 40,000 photos in my database.
However, I just noticed that a small handful of semi-recent photos (~100) have a badge showing that "The referenced image’s master has not been found" (the yellow triangle arrow badge). I tried "Locate Reference Files" for all photos to redirect to the new hard drive name, but that failed to locate the ~100 missing images. I tried to inspect the Aperture library by Control-clicking on the Aperture library and choosing Show Package Contents - indeed the ~100 images were not there, but the ~40k other images were.
I can imagine that this issue may or may not be due to Time Machine, but I certainly never deleted any images. I always import my photos directly into Aperture.
How can my thumbnails and high resolution previews of the 100 images still be visible in Aperture, and yet the masters be lost?
I'd like to recover the images. Worst case, I will use Grab to capture the previews, which are of course much lower resolution than the originals, but at least I'll have something...
Thanks for your help!

thanks for the reply Frank:
Masters. I do not know. I left it as the default. I assume that means managed?
Error message was the LONG error code with the jist of it being related to what sounds like a PLUGIN error. I don't have the EXACT coding right now as I am not home. I've googled the code +/- other stuff on it and according to discussions here and elsewhere (albeit all archived), it looks like it was related to my plugins.
as far as the restore is concerned, I am POSITIVE that the restored library was the NEW library not the original. But keep in mind, Time Machine only lets me restore the backup to the exact place where the file was before. I am just worried that somehow Time Machine backup hosed my Aperture library somewhere along the way. This is why I was wondering if there is something else I need to restore with my time machine backup besides the library file/database itself?
Thanks for the quick reply.

I updated to Mavericks and Aperture 3.5. After the update, Aperture doesn't see referenced files. I get "No Referenced Files"

I updated to Mavericks and Aperture 3.5. All my images are referenced on a stand-alone drive. After the update, Aperture displays thumbnails, but I can't edit because Aperture doesn't see the referenced file ("image offline") and when choose all of my images and I run locate referenced files ... I get "No Referenced Files." I don't get the screen to "look" for the files.

Did you make a clean install and restore the library from a backup? No.
Or did you install the new system amd new version on top of the old system? Yes.
What version did you upgrade from? 3.4
Is your Aperture library onyour internal drive or also on an external drive? External
During the update, has your Aperture library been moved in any way? No, its still where it was on the external drive.
Thanks for your help. Ideas?

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Sunsequently I tried to find out what other files/folder Aperture would have created, but found nothing.
That is exactly as expected. You let Aperture open and use an existing library, so Aperture did not need to create a new library, but added all imported image files to the iPhoto Library.
Where are the Aperture database files located ? I do not see any Aperture folder/files.
What do I need to do to see the files and to understand that going forward ALL is ok.
These User Tips by Terence Devlin will explain that nicely:
How to Access Files in iPhoto
or the Aperture version
How do I access my Photos in Aperture?
Once you ask Aperture to create a new library or to export items as a new library you will see Aperture libraries, excatly where you tell Aperture to create them, by default in the "Pictures" folder.
Regards
Léonie

Aperture: edit and move referenced/originals

My Aperture library was too big to handle my Macbook Air storage capacity so I moved the originals to an external disk. I have spent a few hours reading how to do it but can´t find a clear solution on how to work from now on.
I would like to know what happens with the photos if I move them to different projects or even delete them in Aperture. How do I synchronies those new changes? Also, in the next days I will be adding new photos to some of my already existent Aperture projects, how can I move the originals of the new photos to the external disk? Should I move all the originals again?
Thanks if someone can clarify those dilemmas I´m having right now.

Hi,
You're going to have to learn more in order to do what you want to do and not lose any data or risk loss through incomplete back-ups. It's beyond the scope of this forum to provide all the information you need. A _brief_ overview can be found in my concise guide to Aperture. This come up regularly, and with some sleuthing you should be able to turn up a few of the longer, excellent post on the topic of Referenced Originals.
I will respond to your questions — but my first advice is to be careful. It is not clear what you are asking, and it seems that you do not understand how Aperture works. I _strongly_ suggest mastering this while using a small test Library, before using any of it on data that is important.
If you put the last Image attached to a Referenced Original in the Aperture Trash, and empty the Aperture Trash, you should get a dialog asking you if you want to move the Referenced Original to the System Trash. Do you not get that dialog?
If you say "Yes", the Referenced Original file should be put in the System Trash.
Note that OS X keeps individual Trashes for each drive (even though it shows the collected contents of every drive's trash).
When you import files, you have the option of storing the files in the Aperture Library package, or wherever you specify. You can import files and leave them where they are, or you can import them and relocate them (to, e.g., your Originals drive), or you can import them and have them stored in the Library package.
If your Originals are managed ("managed" means "stored inside the Library package"), whenever you back-up your Library the Image's Originals are backed up.
If you Originals are referenced ("referenced" means "stored outside the Library package"), you are responsible for backing them up _in addition to_ backing up your Library.
An extra note: Aperture was designed to work with each "shoot" imported as a "Project". (The misnaming of the container "Project" is, imho, a spectacular and costly mistake.) Unless you have good reason to do otherwise, you will find your workflow smoother if you stick to "One Project for every shoot". Use Albums for longitudinal collections of Images.

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