Apple RAID Card, All Drives RAID?

For those of you who have the Apple RAID card, I was wondering if all the drives are configured into one RAID set? Or can you have say a single boot drive, a third data drive and then have the remaining two drives set up as a RAID 0?

I was interested in using the RAID card for 2 drives only, for storing captured video.
I don't want to use the RAID for my boot/data drive.

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  • 2010 Mac Pro with Apple RAID card - "Drive carrier 00:03 removed"

    I've got a 2010 Mac Pro with the Apple RAID card and 4 internal identical Seagate ST32000641AS 2TB drives inside.
    I've never had a problem with the RAID card (either battery or in operation) except for one thing:
    Almost every time I shut the machine down (which I try to do as rarely as possible), it keeps losing Drive 3, the spare.
    (See RAID Utility event log snippet below.)
    [I wish I could understand why this Apple RAID card keeps losing the spare across power-cycles/reboots, but I digress.]
    So I just adopted it as the spare and it spawns the rebuild and many hours later, everything's fine again.
    ... until the last time I rebooted (Jan. 2nd).
    After the usual "I lost the spare" message upon login, it began the rebuild.
    But this time, about 11 1/2 hours later the rebuild stopped and RAID Utility reported "Drive carrier 00:03 removed".
    Bay 3 is now missing in the Controller view.
    I powered off the system last night, and left it off overnight.  Today I took all the drives out, blew the dust off and reseated them.
    Same thing.  Drive 3 is still missing, and now the rebuild task aborted.
    The drive bay location shouldn't matter, right?  Can I swap the Bay 3 drive with the Bay 4 drive?
    I figure one of two things would happen:
    (1) It will report Bay 3 as being there but Bay 4 as being missing, same situation as is now.  Meaning the problem is in the Bay 3 spare drive.
    (2) It will report Bay 3 as being missing (despite a 'good' drive being present) and Bay 4 will be the (unattached) spare, and the RAID set will be unviable.  Meaning the problem is with the drive bay itself, not whatever drive is plugged into it.
    If "Drive carrier removed" is trying to tell me the disk is bad, why do I not see any log messages about it?  I suppose a spare that never gets used could go bad from lack of use, but ... no messages at all?
    Hesitant to plunk down $160 on a new spare disk if the present one isn't actually dead ...
    % sudo raidutil list raidsetinfo
                                         Total     Avail
    Raidsets      Type       Drives       Size      Size  Comments
    RS1           RAID 5     1,2,4      5.23TB    0.00MB  Rebuild: 0% complete            
    % sudo raidutil list driveinfo
    Drives  Raidset       Size      Flags
    Bay #1  RS1             2.00TB   IsMemberOfRAIDSet:RS1 IsReliable
    Bay #2  RS1             2.00TB   IsMemberOfRAIDSet:RS1 IsReliable
    Bay #4  RS1             2.00TB   IsMemberOfRAIDSet:RS1 IsReliable
    Event log snippet:
    Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:15:19 AM PT
    Background task aborted: Task=Rebuild,Scope=DRVGRP,Group=RS1
    informational
    Friday, January 3, 2014 3:50:28 AM PT
    Drive carrier 00:03 removed
    informational
    Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:29:37 PM PT
    Marked drive in bay 3 as a global spare
    informational
    Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:29:28 PM PT
    Adopted drive in bay 3
    informational
    Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:28:34 PM PT
    Degraded RAID set RS1 - No spare available for rebuild
    critical
    Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:35:17 PM PT
    Marked drive in bay 3 as a global spare
    informational
    Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:35:08 PM PT
    Adopted drive in bay 3
    informational
    Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:34:11 PM PT
    The "RedundancyScrub" command could not be executed. (Invalid request or invalid parameter in the request.)
    warning
    Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:34:03 PM PT
    Degraded RAID set RS1 - No spare available for rebuild
    critical
    Friday, December 6, 2013 4:56:47 AM PT
    Battery finished conditioning
    informational
    Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:53:44 PM PT
    Battery started scheduled conditioning cycle (write cache disabled)
    informational
    Friday, September 6, 2013 10:53:11 PM PT
    Battery finished conditioning
    informational
    Friday, September 6, 2013 3:41:33 PM PT
    Battery started scheduled conditioning cycle (write cache disabled)
    informational
    Saturday, June 8, 2013 3:41:35 PM PT
    Battery finished conditioning
    informational
    Saturday, June 8, 2013 8:37:49 AM PT
    Battery started scheduled conditioning cycle (write cache disabled)
    informational
    Thursday, May 30, 2013 4:09:51 PM PT
    Marked drive in bay 3 as a global spare
    informational
    Thursday, May 30, 2013 4:09:42 PM PT
    Adopted drive in bay 3
    informational
    Thursday, May 30, 2013 4:08:59 PM PT
    Degraded RAID set RS1 - No spare available for rebuild
    critical
    Thursday, May 30, 2013 3:32:29 PM PT
    Degraded RAID set RS1
    warning

    Power Pig wrote:
    "Hesitant to plunk down $160 on a new spare disk if the present one isn't actually dead ...
    % sudo raidutil list raidsetinfo
                                         Total     Avail
    Raidsets      Type       Drives       Size      Size  Comments
    RS1           RAID 5     1,2,4      5.23TB    0.00MB  Rebuild: 0% complete     
    I was talking about this.
    This looks like a RAID 5 setup without the parity to me. I would said it basically a RAID 0.
    Also you metioned "I guess that previous spare must really have gone 'bad', despite having never been used! "
    I wiped everything out, I selected the 3 disks and clicked on "Create RAID Set" with RAID5 selected and the "Use unassigned drives as spares" option checked.  The 3rd disk has always been marked as the spare ever since then.  You do not have a choice to create a "RAID5 setup without the parity".  If I wanted a RAID0 I would have chosen a RAID0!  raidutil now says
    % sudo raidutil list raidsetinfo
                                         Total     Avail
    Raidsets      Type       Drives       Size      Size  Comments
    RS1           RAID 5     1,2,3,4    5.23TB    0.00MB  No tasks running
    Every time the system would 'lose' Drive 3 on boot, I would just keep rebooting until it was 'found', and then manually re-assign the now-'floating' drive as the spare - and the RAID would rebuild.
    There was never a problem until the day that prompted this post - when it would not find Drive 3 no matter what I did.  I turned the Mac Pro off for several hours until the drives had all cooled down and it still did not find the drive.  I left the machine on but unmounted the degraded volume until I got the new replacement drive.
    I really don't understand what you are getting at. It's like you are trying to tell me I set it up as a 4-drive RAID5 with no parity(!) and that I was in grave danger because one of the disks was gone.  The actual RAID contents (spread across Drives 1, 2 and 4) were never in danger, unless a 2nd disk had failed while the spare was not seen by the Apple RAID card.  I wasn't too worried about that happening.

  • Non-Apple RAID card with internal drives possible on 2009 model ?

    Hello there,
    I have decided against the Apple Raid card, since it does not support any other drives than the ones sold through the Apple Store and it also only supports up to 1 TB drives.
    My goal is to have 3x 1.5 TB drives in a RAID 5 array.
    Does anybody know any hardware Raid 5 capable adapters, that can be used with internal 1.5 TB drives & the early 2009 Mac Pro model ?
    Cheers,
    Martin

    Once upon a time, in a land far far away, ATTO and LSI, and Adaptec mainly owned the storage market for Mac controllers, and even then in those happy times we heard there was Voodoo in the land, and a curse on what were the Rules of SCSI Voodoo, and one had to be careful that a drive really was certified and tested, and one had to insure which firmware version one was talking about, not just any which firmware - and controllers also had to be updated as well.
    Signal processing over SCSI with good active termination, cable length, and 160 pins (and cable strands) (and no noise or crosstalk, good insulation).
    If one did all of the above, and was careful, you were rewarded with a working storage controller and array and the best possible performance at the time.
    And sometimes you could venture off the reservation... a little, and some drivers could patch and work around bugs in firmware or other problems - just as bugs in cpu, boot firmware, and microcode can be patched by the OS kernel. And people would pay for retail drivers, or they would have to rely on the vendor's bundled driver (that may only work on their own drives and no others).
    Hard Disk Toolkit, Silverlining and others made name for themselves, amoung others that now have faded into oblivion for most.
    But it still exists when you venture beyond consumer and pro-consumer devices and venture to use FC-SCSI, SCSI, and SAS. And taking a chance when you try to use off the shelf SATA storage products and solutions. There are times when OEM drives really are OEM-only and a good thing; and times to avoid.
    And there is no list of any kind of successfully used non-Apple drives, though there is word-of-mouth of a few that definitely need to be avoided.

  • Apple RAID Card and 3TB Drives only show 2.2 TB

    I tried a 3TB Seagate Barracuda XT drive in the July 2010 Mac Pro (and a Jan 2008 Mac Pro) on the RAID Card that came with the machines (so one is the RAID Card now shipping) and both show a maximum of 2.2 TB with a 3TB drive.
    I'm curious if anyone else has tried this with different results. Any luck in getting the RAID Card to see the full 3TB in the drives?
    By the way, without the RAID Card, the Mac (OS 10.6.4) sees the full 3TB, but not with it.
    Anyone else seeing this?

    Okay. Seems Apple didn't plan for or certify 3TB.
    However, Apple doesn't support using 3rd party drives. Some do, and in some situations, drives you would think work don't, or they work but only briefly.
    When I said read FAQ I was thinking of all the points like this:
    Question: *Which drives does Apple support for the Mac Pro RAID Card and the Xserve RAID Card?*
    Answer: Only Apple SATA drives and Promise 450GB SAS Drive modules sold through the Apple Store are supported for use with the Mac Pro RAID Card (Early 2009) and the Xserve RAID Card (Early 2009).
    Apple 300GB SAS Drive modules are supported with the Mac Pro RAID Card (Late 2007) and Xserve RAID Card (Early 2007).
    Drives must be either all Serial ATA (SATA) or all Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) drives. SSD drive modules are not recommended for the Apple RAID Card because these drives use their own on-disk cache and cannot take advantage of the protection provided by the battery-backed cache on the RAID card.
    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1346#faq8
    http://www.apple.com/support/macpro/
    Apple Knowledge Base: recent changes:
    http://support.apple.com/kb/index?page=articles

  • Apple RAID Card, 4 SAS drives, 1 bootable large striped volume?

    I have an Apple RAID card and 4 SAS 250GB drives. I did the migration when I set up the RAID to give me 1 drive for my bootable OSX volume and the other 3 combined into unused unpartitioned space.
    But I want all 4 drives combined and striped for one large bootable OSX volume. I'd prefer not to have to reinstall OSX to do this.
    Do I need to buy a utility? Can I use Disk Utility or the Apple RAID Utility? I've done searches and read all the help and can't find an answer.

    Is it possible to install a third disk (300GB SAS) and to use it as a separate Volume ?
    Yes. Of course.
    How do I have to set this up using Apple Raid Utility ?
    No. A third drive should just appear on the desktop. You only need RAID utility if you want to add that drive to an array, which doesn't sound like the case here.

  • New drives help for APPLE RAID Card RAID Redo

    Hi,
    I've been happily using an Apple 3,1 MacPro with Apple RAID Card installed and connected to 4-500 GB Apple OEM drives. I'd like to redo my setup and replace the Apple drives with bigger drives. Someone said I could only use up to 2 TB drives - is this correct?
    Has anyone done this or anything like it using Seagate Drives that are not Apple OEM. Will that work OK or will the Apple RAID Card want to see Apple OEM drives? Apple sells 2TB Seagates, but they cost a lot compared to non-OEM drives, but will cheaper generic Seagate Barracuddas work OK in every way?
    Also, after accomplishing this upgrade, I'd like to upgrade this machine to the latest Lion and possibly even Moutain Lion System Software. Any issues perceived?
    To reiterate, I'd like to increase my storage to the max in my Early 2008 MacPro3,1 which has the Apple RAID Card utilizing a RAID5. This is spec'd at  "4 - 3.0 Gbps Serial ATA (SATA) controllers" but no mention is made of what the MAX Size drives that will be addressed by the RAID Card.
    Thanks, and so long for now, TOM

    I thought it was an oxymoron to be using Apple RAID card, and to be happy.
    It does not support drives larger than 2.2TB
    Seagate's just seem to be more trouble. Any enterprise drive should do.
    If you really really need RAID5 then maybe this card is useful, otherwise, no.,
    There is much less than 300MB/sec x 4 in bandwith, they are shared and not independent, but the total is more like 800MB/sec maximum. Less overhead and other factors comes in more like 700MB/sec total max. \
    SSDs have come a long way.
    Use a PCIe cards to manage 2 x SSDs of 500GB up to 1TB
    Use Disk Utility or SoftRAID 4 to manage 2-4 drive mirror or stripe arrays
    10.8.4 has a bug that interferes with using 3TB and larger drives, just introduced bug.
    This is the FIRST time there have been limits on drive size. And Apple RAID card. Seems the card is not getting updated firmware to address the need for larger drives. For those using SAS it is also a viable candidate.
    SSD on its own to hold the system. 4 x 2TB WD Black for data and media storage. 4 x SSDs for scratch and graphic catalogues and media... all depends what your goal and use and type of programs.
    No you do not need to use Apple's.
    I cannot vouche for or seen someone doing so but I would hope that WD RED series would be suitable.

  • Is there a firmware update for the Apple RAID Card [early 2009 Xserve] that will take it beyond the E-1.3.2.0 version and allow it to see 4TB drives?

    Is there a firmware update for the Apple RAID Card [early 2009 Xserve] that will take it beyond the E-1.3.2.0 version and allow it to see 4TB drives?

    I have a few of these RAID cards in a couple servers, and then I have an earlier version of the RAID card in a few different servers.
    The earlier servers are running non-apple 1.5 TB drives. It will be interesting to learn if this firmware update will indeed allow me to boost the capacity by installing non-apple drives, as the firmware previously has not.
    Ohh I'm excited to update and try! This will greatly help out if it does!

  • Apple Raid Card, multiple drives and volumes

    Hallo,
    my xserve (early-2008) has an Apple Raid Card and two 300GB SAS-drives installed (mirroring).
    Is it possible to install a third disk (300GB SAS) and to use it as a separate Volume ?
    Disk 1 (300GB SAS) - Apple Raid Card mirroring: Volume 1 (300GB)
    Disk 2 (300GB SAS) - Apple Raid Card mirroring: Volume 1 (300GB)
    Disk 3 (300GB SAS) - Volume 2 (300GB)
    How do I have to set this up using Apple Raid Utility ?
    Thanks for your help !

    Is it possible to install a third disk (300GB SAS) and to use it as a separate Volume ?
    Yes. Of course.
    How do I have to set this up using Apple Raid Utility ?
    No. A third drive should just appear on the desktop. You only need RAID utility if you want to add that drive to an array, which doesn't sound like the case here.

  • Mac Pro with Apple Raid Card - 1 drive OSX (JBOD) + 1 drive Vista?

    Can anyone walk me through what I'd need to do to set up an early 2008 model Mac Pro with the Apple Raid Card pre-installed and 2 500 gig drives, so that I can have OSX on the first drive and Vista on the second?
    I know it defeats the purpose of the raid card, but...
    What I've done so far is:
    1. Removed drive #2
    2. Install and using Raid Utility, add the first drive as a JBOD set/volume
    3. After install, shut down the machine
    4. Re-add drive #2
    5. Restart
    6. Use disk utility to add drive #2
    I tried to use bootcamp, but it only wants to put windows on the first drive - which won't work because it is RAID.

    Run Vista off an ATA interface in the 2nd optical drive. There is an SATA 2 ATA adapter.
    I think you can boot Vista off some RAID controllers, check out Highpoint RocketRAIDs. Should be able to configure the RR.
    Boot Vista off USB is a stretch.

  • Apple Raid Card panic on Mac Pro Early 2008 after installing SSD as an enhanced JBOD.

    I recently installed a SSD drive in my Mac Pro to replace an aging, original boot drive.  I have an Apple raid card with 3 other hds attached - all in an enhanced JBOD configuration.  After installing the SSD from OWC (3G Electra SATA II Compatible) everything appeared to work fine.  But after 36 hours I received a apple raid card kernel panic alert.  See below for diagnostic crash log.  OWC support says that their drive should work fine - now I am not so sure.  Anyone out there with suggestions/solutions is most welcomed.
    Anonymous UUID:       83ADF2C8-4D41-D2EE-58C2-0CC4344DB0B4
    Sun Jan  5 21:18:46 2014
    panic(cpu 3 caller 0xffffff7f98b1441e): "AppleRAIDCard controller panic"@/SourceCache/AppleHWRaidDriver/AppleHWRaidDriver-401/Driver/Driver/Apple RAIDCard.cp:1018
    Backtrace (CPU 3), Frame : Return Address
    0xffffff8221563e30 : 0xffffff8017622f69
    0xffffff8221563eb0 : 0xffffff7f98b1441e
    0xffffff8221563ef0 : 0xffffff8017aada80
    0xffffff8221563f30 : 0xffffff8017aac522
    0xffffff8221563f80 : 0xffffff8017aac5f7
    0xffffff8221563fb0 : 0xffffff80176d6aa7
          Kernel Extensions in backtrace:
             com.apple.driver.AppleRAIDCard(401.0)[06045EA1-0404-36C3-9BE6-FE217DCD420C]@0xf fffff7f98b11000->0xffffff7f98b26fff
                dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIBlockCommandsDevice(3.6.0)[657BB360-C3EA-3D01-934E-12DBD6 0BBBF5]@0xffffff7f97f80000
                dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.8)[447B4896-16FF-3616-95A2-1C516B2A1498]@0xffffff 7f97cba000
                dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIParallelFamily(3.0.0)[B6D80E76-647D-3BAE-823A-85871E9BAC7 2]@0xffffff7f97ca9000
                dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIArchitectureModelFamily(3.6.0)[76253A22-A1DB-3BF4-A972-E6 94A37CD09A]@0xffffff7f97c78000
    BSD process name corresponding to current thread: kernel_task
    Mac OS version:
    13B42
    Kernel version:
    Darwin Kernel Version 13.0.0: Thu Sep 19 22:22:27 PDT 2013; root:xnu-2422.1.72~6/RELEASE_X86_64
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    Kernel slide:     0x0000000017400000
    Kernel text base: 0xffffff8017600000
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    System Profile:
    Model: MacPro3,1, BootROM MP31.006C.B05, 8 processors, Quad-Core Intel Xeon, 2.8 GHz, 18 GB, SMC 1.25f4
    Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5870, ATI Radeon HD 5870, PCIe, 1024 MB
    Memory Module: DIMM Riser B/DIMM 1, 2 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x0000, 0x000000463732353642363145353830304600
    Memory Module: DIMM Riser B/DIMM 2, 2 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x0000, 0x000000463732353642363145353830304600
    Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 1, 1 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x80AD, 0x48594D5035313241373243503844332D5335
    Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 2, 1 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x80AD, 0x48594D5035313241373243503844332D5335
    Memory Module: DIMM Riser B/DIMM 3, 4 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x0000, 0x000000463732353142363445363830304600
    Memory Module: DIMM Riser B/DIMM 4, 4 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x0000, 0x000000463732353142363445363830304600
    Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 3, 2 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x0000, 0x000000463732353642363145353830304600
    Memory Module: DIMM Riser A/DIMM 4, 2 GB, DDR2 FB-DIMM, 800 MHz, 0x0000, 0x000000463732353642363145353830304600
    Bluetooth: Version 4.2.0f6 12982, 3 services, 22 devices, 1 incoming serial ports
    Network Service: Ethernet 1, Ethernet, en0
    PCI Card: ATI Radeon HD 5870, Display Controller, Slot-1
    PCI Card: ATI Radeon HD 5870, ATY,LangurParent, Slot-1
    PCI Card: Apple RAID Card, RAID Controller, Slot-4
    Parallel ATA Device: PIONEER DVD-RW  DVR-112D
    USB Device: Hub
    USB Device: Keyboard Hub
    USB Device: Apple Optical USB Mouse
    USB Device: Apple Keyboard
    USB Device: XD-0405-U
    USB Device: Apple Cinema HD Display
    USB Device: USB2.0 Printer (Hi-speed)
    USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller
    FireWire Device: built-in_hub, Up to 800 Mb/sec
    FireWire Device: unknown_device, Iomage HDD, Up to 800 Mb/sec
    FireWire Device: unknown_device, Unknown
    Thunderbolt Bus:

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    1) Apple brand cards,
    2) "sold in the Apple store" cards, and
    3) "Mac Edition" cards ...
    ... show all the screens, including Boot up screens, Safe Mode, Installer, Recovery, debug screens, and Alt/Option boot screens. At this writing, these choices include:
    1) Apple brand cards:
    • Apple-firmware 5770, about US$250** works near full speed in every model Mac Pro, Drivers in 10.6.5
    • Apple-firmware 5870, about US$450
    2) "sold in the Apple store" cards
    • NVIDIA Quadro 4000, about US$1200
    • NVIDIA Quadro 5000, about US$2500
    3) "Mac Edition" cards -- REQUIRE 10.8.3 or later:
    • SAPPHIRE HD 7950 3GB GDDR5 MAC Edition, about US$480** Vendor recommends Mac Pro 4,1
    • EVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition, about US$600
    The cards above require no more than the provided two 6-pin aux power connectors provided in the Mac Pro through 2012 model. Aux cables may not be provided for third-party cards, but are readily available.
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    • running 10.8.3 or later AND
    • don't care about "no boot screens" etc AND
    • can re-wire or otherwise "work out" the power cabling, THEN:
    You can use many more cards, even most "PC-only cards"

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    It happened i have a need to run Windows natively on Mac Pro with Apple RAID card installed.
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    Empty black text console is all that i've got after selecting of Windows installation CD in EFI boot menu.
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    I've tried that.
    Installation and booting of WinXP passed OK if RAID card removed.
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    If I remove or replace any one, or more, or remove all of drives 2, 3, 4 Mac Pro will boot to anything with an OS on it via Opt. key. I'm thinking if any one of drives 2, 3, 4 were bad and drawing too much power the same problem would present when drive 1 (J+ w/ OS) is substituted for any one of 2, 3, 4.
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    John
    My other related posts that document history of problem:
    http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=13165862#13165862
    http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=13165864#13165864

    In hindsight... this was posted as part of 10.6.7 release fixes...
    http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3631

  • RAID card or drive?

    My Mac Pro with Apple RAID card will not boot to external FW800 or original install DVD if drives 2, 3, 4 are installed at the same time in any of the bays (i.e. gray screen, no apple, nothing). If I remove or replace any one, or more, or remove all of drives 2, 3, 4 Mac Pro will boot to anything with an OS on it via Opt. key. I'm thinking if any one of drives 2, 3, 4 were bad and drawing too much power the same problem would present when drive 1 (J+ w/ OS) is substituted for any one of 2, 3, 4. Replaced battery on RAID card no effect on problem. Passed Hardware Diagnostic on original Installer DVD. I'm thinking this has to be a RAID card issue. Do they go bad? Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.

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    If you're really board you can check out all the associated posts from when this debacle began:
    http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=13165864#13165864
    Anyhow, thanks for your help!
    J.

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    After a year of dealing with problematic Apple RAID cards, and replacement batteries – we are ready to move on, without the RAID card.
    We have not yet used it as a RAID – all drives operate discretely, non-RAIDed.
    We propose to remove the RAID card to eliminate that point of common failure. Has anyone else faced this, done this? Any suggestions, warnings?
    TIA for your kind attention.

    Hi Michael,
    What issues are you having? I had an issue with a faulty battery on a new xserve but once that was swapped out it's been as good as gold. If the drives you have installed have not been raided then you could buy the SATA backplane for the Xserve and swap it out.. Takes about 10 mins to do.
    All the best
    Beatle

  • Typical read/write speeds for Apple Raid card

    I have 3 1TB Samsung F3 Spinpoint drives that I am using in Bays 2-4, coupled with Apple's Raid card. Before striping the drives in a raid configuration, I used Disk Utility to write zeroes to each of the disks individually, which took about 3 hours each (this works out to about 100 MB/s, which makes sense to me). However, the third drive, in Bay 2, took much longer than normal to zero (over 12 hours), so I suspected a defective drive. When I striped them using the Raid Utility program, I was able to create a volume and proceeded to test it using QuickBench. Extended Read tests in the 20-100 MB range were only about 30 MB/s. Is this normal? Shortly thereafter, my Raid Utility program encountered an error with the hard drive in Bay 4, which wasn't the same disk I had problems formatting. I took out that drive, removed the volume and raid, and set up Raid Stripe 0 with 2 disks. I am still encountering Extended Reads of about 30 MB/s, no matter if I have cache enabled or not. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

    I suppose I could select a block size other than 32 kB when I set up the raid, but I wanted to save time to see if any posters have other suggestions.
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    In the case of weak sectors, this is about all you can do.
    I may be wrong, but I think Apple has a clause in their manual so that people will buy hard drives from them instead of 3rd party manufacturers.
    I am sure that is part of it.
    There is also the onboard ROM of the hard drive.
    Problem with Apple supplied cards of any kind, is that they have a history of ROM manipulation.
    Whether it be crippling (as compared to 3rd party equivalent), or keys to limit performance or compatibility, it is always a question.
    I know I am not the only one who has bought their own hard drives for a Mac Pro RAID setup.
    I'm sure you are not, and was just "crossing t's and dotting i's" in asking....
    BTW, I have 132 MB/s Read, 121 MB/s Write for 2MB-10MB blocks, avg 128 MB/s and 110 MB/s for 10MB-100MB blocks on a 2 drive RAID with WD drives in a 100MHz FSB system.

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