Auto suspend on idle without Gnome or KDE? [SOLVED]

This may be a stupid question but I've never had to actually mess with this before on a system without Gnome or KDE installed (they have their own utilities which tends to make this easy) and I've spent an hour researching to no avail.
I'm looking for a way to force the entire computer to automatically suspend to RAM after 30 minutes of no keyboard or mouse activity. I already have pm-utils and xscreensaver installed and 'pm-suspend' already works great when I call it manually but what I'm missing is a way to detect the idle and actually call 'pm-suspend' automatically. I do have HAL and udev. Of course it runs X too but there is no D.E. installed. Only various Window managers.
BTW- this is for a Desktop not a laptop if that is significant for some reason. The reason for it is basically I want this computer to suspend (to save power) at night and other times when it's not being used.
Thanks for any help you can give!
Last edited by davidm (2011-02-21 01:58:18)

Still welcoming some help after all....
I've been attempting to use xfce4-power-manager but am having an issue where as a normal user actual power management options other than for the monitor are disabled. It works fine as root but not as a normal user.
User is a member of the power group.
Have consolekit installed.
Launching WM from .xinitrc (No Display manager such as slim) using 'exec ck-launch-session /usr/local/bin/wm'
Anything I am missing for why this wouldn't work?
Trying to use the debug option:
(xfce4-power-manager:2633): xfce4-power-manager-WARNING **: Unable to connect to session managet : Failed to connect to the session manager: SESSION_MANAGER environment variable not defined
(xfce4-power-manager:2633): xfce4-power-manager-WARNING **: could not map keysym 1008ffa8 to keycode
** (xfce4-power-manager:2633): WARNING **: No outputs have backlight property
** (xfce4-power-manager:2633): DEBUG: executed /usr/sbin/xfpm-power-backlight-helper --get-max-brightness; retval: 1024
** (xfce4-power-manager:2633): DEBUG: xfpm_brightness_setup_helper: get-max-brightness returned -1
** (xfce4-power-manager:2633): DEBUG: no brightness controls available
Last edited by davidm (2011-02-21 01:17:51)

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