Streamlined System without Gnome or KDE

Is it possible to build a system with out using any programs that depend on Gnome or KDE basically wirh out the need to install KDE or Gnome, yet still be fully functinal with everyday desktop use"?
I might give it a try tonight and see how it goes
Anyone else tried it?

iphitus wrote:you're cutting off yourself from some of the best software available on Linux. Whatever silly speed or ram saving you make, will not make up for the wasted time finding and installing programs that simply do not accomplish the task as well as the ones you're avoiding.
I can acknowledge this. Last week i scratched my head and had too much time on my hands. I installed Openbox as my wm and small apps that fit me pretty much. file manager was pcmanfm, music player ncmpc, icq still gaim, and so on....
In the end (that was on same day) i missed something. Dont know exactly what it was, but now i guess it's the application quality and leaving some apps (nautilus and epiphany for example) which i found to be very usable and easy at same time.
For me that was enough reason to smash it up, backup my home dir, and start new arch install with gnome and for me the project wm's is finished. the only thing i might try in future would be KDE4 but thats another story
Well, but probably the best would be to test it out for yourself. Some are of course pretty happy with small lean but somehow functional system, and because of this i would say give it a go.
as mentioned filemanager for example pcmanfm, music player a mpd client like ncmpc or sonata.
good luck,
cheers,
detto

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this is my software stack:
linux
X
openbox
chromium
my university had the great idea to cencor and filter the internet so that students can't do bad stuff and besides that can't do anything at all. They even block ping and ssh connections.. but that's another story.
here are my problems with that:
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$ cat ~/start_chromium.sh
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delta24 wrote:Try creating a script in /etc/profile.d named proxy.sh having all the proxy config.
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orjanp wrote:
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nautilus-cd-burner-2.8.1-1 libdvdcss-1.2.8-1 libdvdread-0.9.4-2
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xerxes2 wrote:
kth5 wrote:hmm, i have exactly the same scenario on my laptop. it's only a Celeron 700 + 256MB ram. i run kde, mozilla thunderbird, several konsole session, xchat2, xmms plus some more konqueror session w/o any problem. only thing that is lagging behind is my GFX card which needs a share of the system memory. anway, my system in KDE w/ all these apps up needs only ~120MB the rest is filled up w/ diskcache or whatever. it's not bad for a desktop system that is not supposed to render 3D or viewing 100MB+ large files from memory.
I'm impressed!
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the kde devs must been busy since then...
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Hello!
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Open-source software (OSS) is computer software that is available in source code form: the source code and certain other rights normally reserved forcopyright holders are provided under an open-source license that permits users to study, change, improve and at times also to distribute the software.
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