BootCamp and MBP Ram

I was thinking of installing 8GB of RAM to my MacBook Pro. I would like to use Vista 32bit, but I think Vista pages the hard drive too much when it has RAM > 4GB. Is there a way to "hide" the rest from the OS? or is 64 my only option?

Windows 7 RC is superior to Vista and in many ways better than Windows XP.
Go with Windows 7; it should run just fine.
~Lyssa

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Bootcamp and MBP Retina

Anyone know when the Bootcamp drivers will be made available?

Factory Unlock wrote:
Hi Rudegar,
Thnaks for feedback but what do u suggest? should i uninstall windows and try again. I did checked the option in bootcamp during win install "Download windows support software" but my MBP got stuck while downloading win support software.. i waited for more than 3 hours but it never moved ahead after 50 odd %. So i tried again with unchecking this option and once win were installed i downloaded bootcamp 5.0 and installed it but my display was not detected.
Have you restarted Windows since installing, if not try it.

MBP Ram and Processor

I am about to buy a MBP and i was wondering on some feedback on if its worth paying the extra for the 2.53 GHz MBP. Is there a noticable difference between the 2gb of ram and the 4 gb of ram. And the difference between the 2.4ghz processor and the 2.53 ghz.
I am not a big gamer but i am just curious how much of a difference all the features have in speed

Interesting. Apple isn't totally overcharging for the RAM this time. It's only $150 to max out the base model.
The hard drive is easy to replace, so if you want to go with the stock drive now and upgrade it later when larger drives are cheaper, you could choose to do that. You can get to 320GB 7200 RPM for $110 after rebate at macsales.com; Apple wants $150 to upgrade the base model to that.
If you will be using Photoshop CS4 it uses the GPU and video RAM now so the 512MB would be good in that case.
All in all I think you will notice more of a speed boost from more RAM, more disk space, and more VRAM (if applicable) than you would from the CPU upgrade.
I still have no regrets about buying the base model Penryn Aluminum MBP with just 256MB VRAM, with main RAM I upgraded myself. But if I was shopping today, with Apple's more reasonable RAM prices and the growing importance of VRAM, I might go for the top end 15", for the RAM, VRAM, HD, and cache upgrade combo, and would consider the CPU boost to be simply a bonus thrown in. I would not spend the extra $300 on the 2.8GHz CPU.

Bootcamp on MBP vs Windows laptop

I have an HP laptop to run specific Windows software and for travel. I also have a MBP with VMWare Fusion. But I can't run all the Windows software I need on the MBP because it would grind to a halt. However, I don't like Windows' laptops. I'd rather get another MBP and use Bootcamp. It would always be in Bootcamp running WinXP. With the MBP, I can than take advantage of the MBP's superior trackpad and hardware, among other things. I'd also be able to run WinXP, which you can no longer get on laptops.
For those using Bootcamp and Windows on a Macbook, have you noticed any disadvantages vs using a dedicated Windows laptop?
Price aside, is there any reason to get a dedicated Windows laptop vs a MBP running Bootcamp?

brett romero wrote:
I have an HP laptop to run specific Windows software and for travel. I also have a MBP with VMWare Fusion. But I can't run all the Windows software I need on the MBP because it would grind to a halt. However, I don't like Windows' laptops. I'd rather get another MBP and use Bootcamp. It would always be in Bootcamp running WinXP. With the MBP, I can than take advantage of the MBP's superior trackpad and hardware, among other things. I'd also be able to run WinXP, which you can no longer get on laptops.
For those using Bootcamp and Windows on a Macbook, have you noticed any disadvantages vs using a dedicated Windows laptop?
Price aside, is there any reason to get a dedicated Windows laptop vs a MBP running Bootcamp?
Your MacBook Pro must be a little dated, likely a dual core 32 bit processor with 4GB RAM limit.
I can tell you these quad core I7's MacBook Pro's are awesome.
This is what I suggest you do based upon my expereince with this new machine:
1: Get a high end 15" or 17" anti-glare MacBook Pro and max out the RAM to 8GB.
2: Get the 7,200 RPM performance drive if your on power most of the time, if not, then the 5,400 RPM drive as it gives a bit more battery life. (you can set the drives to spin down when not in use as well to consever battery). Apple Stores only carry 5,400 drives in their computers, however online you can special order the 7,200 RPM drive. I don't recommend SSD, too expensive per GB, limited writes and not being erased. So you lose a important security option for Windows, completely erasing the drive of any malware. Also if you travel between countries some have more stringent rules concerning adult content than others. Technology exists to inhale all data off computers, smartphones etc. with plug and play ease.
3: Before setting up the new machine, c boot off the OS X installer disk and use Disk Utility to Secure Erase/Zero your boot drive. This will map off bad sectors ahead of time and greatly improve reliability. Install OS X when finished.
4: Setup your new machine, don't use your real info in the setup or Apple places it all over the place and Windows/Fusion copies that and displays it online for everyone to see (so and so's network and computer for instance). Use Apple's Bootcamp to install Windows 7 Pro 64bit. 32 bit is history, and Win 7 Pro (and above) will allow you to virtualizes XP so you can run your XP programs. You will need the FULL disk, not the upgrade disk natrually.
5: Once you got that all setup and your XP programs installed. Install VMFusion in OS X, have it use the Bootcamp partition as your virtual machine! Give Windows 7 Pro in VM (based upon my experience) 2 processor cores and half your RAM (either 2GB or 4GB) If you give Win 7 four cores (out of 8 hyperthreaded cores) your going to slightly better performance, but at a cost to stability with OS X. That might change with giving Win 7 Pro 4GB of RAM instead (I got only 4GB total right now so 7 gets only 2GB)
6: As you know, Mac video cards use OpenGL, not Direct X. So any 3D games not using OpenGL drivers is going to suffer performance loss either in Windows VM or Bootcamp.
I ran Cube 2 in both Windows 7 Pro in VM and directly in OS X, it uses OpenGL drivers. In OS X I get solid 200 fps. On Windows +100 fps constantly. Naturally the OS X version was more stable. But just goes to show the extereme performance of these new i7's and their video cards.
I get 6.0 scoring (out of 7.9 max) on Windows 7 Pro in VM with four cores and 3GB of RAM, but my drawbacks are the slow 5,400 RPM drive and the limited 4GB of RAM I have. I tend to upgrade to better quality drives later, also RAM from Crucial since Apple charges so much.
So now if you need full performance you can direct boot into Windows 7 Pro, run all your XP programs with maximum RAM and processsors cores (4, 8GB) or half that in virtual machine under OS X. Also I might add that I think VM Fusion 3 will be needing a update to work better with these new Sandy Bridge processors. Just a few glitches here and there, minor ones.
Oh, and the anti-glare will allow you to use the computer in nearly any condiiton. A small cost for 100% improvement in viewing the screen clearly.
Good Luck and hope this helps
17" MBP i7 2.3 Sandy Bridge 2820QM Radeon HD 6750, Mac OS X (10.6.7), VM-ed: Windows XP, Vista, 7, Linux Mint, MacBuntu, Like XP, Puppy, TinyCore, DSL

Is it still impossible to do bootcamp and VMWare or Parallels?

I use bootcamp extensively to run several windows programs, mostly MS Office 2010. I also need to use Office 2011 so being able to switch back and forth between OS X and Win 7 is essential (I do this because I'm a consultant and curriculum developer--not because I'm a masochist). I've used bootcamp for years and it does a pretty good job once you get all the drivers issues sorted out.
I've also used VM ware, but had a couple of bad experiences where I lost my virtual machine and all the data on it. I do backups of course, but it was still really inconvient. Plus the driver situation when doing the virtual thing rather than bootcamp just wasn't quite there yet--another reason to use bootcamp. So for the past 2 - 3 years I've just been resigned to using bootcamp.
But occassionally it's just not convenient to reboot my system to switch from OS X to Windows, especially when all I want to do is check out some quick thing under windows but then quickly get back to Mac--two reboots! On the other hand, when I'm doing a windows client demo or such where failure's not an option, I'd want to be in bootcamp because it feels so much more solid.
I'm wondering if Apple or the virtual OS companies have made any changes that would allow me to have both bootcamp, which I'd use for windows in most situations, AND a virtual machine in OS X that I could use for quick trips to Windows but keep working in OS X without having to reboot. Most of my data files are on dropbox, so even if the bootcamp partition and the virutal machine disk were inaccessible to each other I'd be able to access the files I need.
If the answer is simply NO, you can have bootcamp or virtural machines but not both, then my next question is this: Is either VMware or parallels getting close to being as robust as bootcamp for running windows, or should I just plan to keep on bootin' for another few years?

Hey Bob,
Thanks for the information. My last experience was with VMWare 1 and I don't think this functionality was available then. I downloaded today version 4 and at this point I am running Win 7 within MacOS. Haven't tried rebooting to my bootcamp partition yet or printing or sharing, etc. If it works as advertised though I should be a happy camper.
The import option doesn't strike me as a good one for my situation. I have 500GB on my MBP and 120 GB allocated to my windows bootcamp partition. If I do the import option with VMWare I'd basically need another 120 GB of the total space and then I'd have two unsynchronized windows disks, one under bootcamp and the other under VMWare.
Running VMWare as a Mac application I can see it's a bit slower than running in bootcamp, but I expected that.
This is exciting stuff and I appreciate you taking the time to enlighten me.
Thanks

How should I install/setup a single OS of windows 7 to run through bootcamp and parallels 7 on my new macbook pro?

I just bought a new macbook 8g ram and 750g harddrive and want to be able to run windows 7 through bootcamp and parallels. How do I setup that up and install a single version of windows (want to be able to utilize heavy programs - photoshop, 3D modeling CAD etc. - by installing them once and being able to use them through parallels 7 or bootcamp)? Please let me know of anything that may red flag by doing this and clear concise instructions of which to do first/ settings for bootcamp and parallels

BootCamp is directly booting your computer into Windows for full hardware access and performance, just like a PC. It's free from Apple.
https://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/
Virtual machine software (paid) like Parallels and VMFusion both can take the Bootcamped Windows and make a copy for use in OS X in a window at the same time as using OS X, but less performance. It's usualyl easiler to use.
A free virtual machine option is VirtualBox, but it might not have all the bells and whistles of the payware options above, but works just fine.
We can't provide detailed installation instructions, it's too much, you will have to read Apple's instructions and the manual for your virtual machine software.
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/boot_camp_install-setup_10.7.pdf

Has Anyone Installed Bootcamp (and XP) on an External Drive?

I'm thinking of installing Bootcamp and XP on a Maxtor external hard drive to play games because I don't want to take up valuable internal drive space. I have a 120 gig hard drive on my MBP and I need as much space as I can get.
How would this work for games? My internal drive is 5400 rpm and the Maxtor external is 7200 rpm (Firewire 800).
Thanks!
Ashley
MacPro 2.66, Macbook Pro, Macbook, PowerMac G5 Dual Core Mac OS X (10.4.8)

It looks like people have gotten XP on an external USB drive to boot:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=191777
Summary:
o Hack the Windows install CD. The problem is that the USB drivers are loaded / unloaded during bootup, so that messes the bootup itself. The hack gets rid of this.
o Same hack cannot as yet be transplanted onto firewall, because somehow that's different.
I think it's not a clean solution because it looks like the process involves removing the internal drive, and also there's no pagefile (i.e. virtual memory) since WinXP doesn't allow that on external drives.

Install Window 7 Via BOOTCAMP and create extra partitons for Personal Data

Hello All;
I'm new to Mac, Just purchased the MBP Mid 2012 non retina 2 months ago.. and upgraded to Mountain Lion 10.8.2
I'd like to Install Winows 7 via BOOTCAMP and have extra 1 or 2 partitions (ExFAT) on the same drive for my personal data, any advise on how to do this properly... I tried in many different ways but always ended up hitting the wal..
Appreciate the help.

Won't work.
http://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/

Microsoft Office 2004 -- extremely high cpu usage and virtual ram

hi,
when i use office it causes a very high cpu usage even when its in idle mode.
i am unable to work with it, because its extremely slow.
does anyone have same experiences?
thanks for your help!
mbp 2.0 1,5gb ram 80gb hdd Mac OS X (10.4.7)

I am able to work OK with office, I'm using the 'old version' Microsoft Office v.X, not much details in the About Box, just listed as MSoft Word/Excel/etc for Mac service release 1.
I get the occasional crash, and I have seen Word in particular use 90% of a single core and amazingly large virtual memory usage, gigabytes sometimes, but eventually the document gets printed.
It shows how useful the dual core (or quad) cpu approach is!
One cpu for Word to print, and one cpu to run the rest of my applications/life!
I still use this old office rather than re-booting into Window§ for whatever is the latest version of office.
Doing some playing with a similar one page document in Office v.X and Pages 2.01, I get Word using about 25% of a core , Pages using 5%, - whilst editing; Intel native Pages has 20% of a core and 80MB ram 480 virtual whilst printing, Word has about 100% of a core and 65MB ram 650 virtual whilst printing, but it is a powerPC code so Rosetta is in there somewhere.
check Activity Monitor or other apps/widgets for some parasitic processes? have fun!
many Macs 512k -> MacBool Pro 2GHz 1GB ram Mac OS X (10.4.7) Yes, I have Key Lime

Bootcamp and XP-How much room?

Question for everyone. I just got a new macbook and was considering installing bootcamp and windows xp. I don't really need it but was curious. I have a 80Gig hard drive and have about 55 left. How much hard drive space do these two take with associated files? For those that have it installed, what is the typical XP drive partition size and how much room do you have left for other programs?
It looks like boot camp installs XP without formatting so it would be pretty painless other than the cost for XP. Thanks for replies.

I'd say at least 15+ GB,but the folks in the BootCamp Discussions may be able to give better info on BootCamp specific questions.
You can check it out here... http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1165
Jim
PowerBook G3 500 Mhz "Pismo"/ 2.0Ghz BlackBook 2GB OWC RAM Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Mac Mini and MBP Memory Compatible?

Hello Everyone!
I have a Mac Mini it is a 2009 (Metal Surrounding with Acryllic top), and I have a 2010 MacBook Pro.
MacMini Specs are as Follow
- 2.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
- 8 GB Ram 1333MHz DDR3-SODIMM (2x4GB DDR3 SODIM,H)
- 120 GB 5400 RPM HDD
MacBook Pro Specs are as follow:
- 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
- 2 GB 1067 MHz DDR3 RAM (I Believe PC3? - 1x2gb, 1 ram slot is bad)
- 250 GB 5400 RPM HDD
I was wondering if I could maybe take one of the 4GB sticks from the MacMini and swap it with the 2GB Stick? I have taken one 4GB Stick out, haven't put the 2GB in the Mini Yet.
But I noticed when I install the 4GB stick into the MBP it won't boot. It will get stuck on the Grey Apple Loading Screen, with the Spinning Circle, after about 30 seconds to a minute, it will stop spinning and be stuck there. I can load the Snow Leopard install disk, can attempt to boot into safe mode, etc. But nothing will work. And I don't want to have to reinstall my whole OSX.
Also I don't get the 3 beeps in succession when starting, it just attempts to boot normally.
I have attached a picture of the two rams. The one on the top is what was already in the MBP, one on the bottom was pulled from the Mini.

According to Mactracker, an early 2009 Mac Mini and a 2010 MBP RAM have identical specifications: 204-pin PC3-8500 (1066 MHz) DDR3 SO-DIMM. Therefore they should be interchangeable.
If the chip is not being recognized, it suggests that the bay or the chip is faulty, or it is not correctly seated.
Ciao.

Magic Trackpad pairs with Bootcamp (Win7) MBP instead of another MBP w/Yosemite?

I've 2 MBP's - a Yosemite MBP and one running Win7 via Bootcamp. When the Yosemite MBP is off, the Magic Trackpad pairs with the old MBP (Win7/Bootcamp). I see no clear way to disable this pairing in Win7/Bootcamp or a clear way to disable Bluetooth on the Bootcamp/Win7 MBP either. I can shut down the Win7/Bootcamp PC, but this gets old very quick, as I tend to carry my Yosemite MBP w/me at the end of the day.
Any suggestions from the Mac Geniuses? Thank you.
Martin

Based on the multiple issues, I think I would reinstall OS X 10.10 from the recovery disk (your data is untouched). As always though, make a good backup before doing anything (I use Time Machine and I also make a bootable clone).
Barry

Flight simulator and MBP

Can anyone recommend a flight simulator, preferrably WWII type combat. I would like to run it on OS X, but if it is not available has anyone run one on a MBP using XP?
I am also considering using Bootcamp and XP to run the radio control airplane simulator called G3 any comments?
Thank you
MacBook Pro 17" Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Friends of mine that are pilots (mostly from 70's) really like
http://store.x-plane.com/cart.php?m=product_list&c=3

BootCamp and Tabula Rasa

I installed Tabula Rasa (TR) today, and it runs for about 10 minutes before blacking out the screen - after which, it crashes the entire computer. I'm running XP Home with all the latest updates, the latest version of BootCamp, and 10.5 on the Mac OS side. Anyone else experiencing this? Any ideas as to how I can resolve the issue? Thanks!

I'm running Tabula Rasa on my Mac Pro with Windows Vista Business and it works fine for the most part. However, sometimes the game crashes to the desktop for no apparent reason. I usually have to reboot to solve it. I’m using the NVidea 7300GT video card in my Mac Pro. I’m thinking of upgrading to the ATI X1900. I recently upgraded to 4GB of RAM and Vista does not recognize it but that is another discussion.
I asked NCSoft if they were going to support the MAC and they replied by suggesting I run boot camp! Another thing to look at is disabling the NCSoft Launcher, it is known to cause problems with memory leaks etc. I have been playing the game non-stop for a week now since I pre-ordered and participated in the beta and have not noticed any other problems.
Edit: I'm also running Leopard (10.5) and upgraded the drivers. I manually updated my NVidia 7300GT drivers (downloaded from http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us)
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Suitability of MBA and MBP for FCPX ...

Hi there,
i am going to purchase either a 13" Macbook Air or Macbook Pro & plan to use FCPX on it.
the problem is I discovered the following:-
a) the anount of RAM is so low as compared to my iMac whic has 32gb RAM.
b) i always read that it is better to get a dedicated video RAM but most of the latest MBA and MBP only comes with on board video RAM.
c) the HDD though is a flashed based but is so small, start from only 128gb. Could it be that Apple wants us to buy an external HDD ?
cheers & thanks

RyanManUtd wrote:
… But for me, what is important is that when I am editing on the timeline, I hate it when it becomes slow. Sometimes even the beach balls appear.
So in my case, better to have a fast processor or a bigger RAM ?
I have never seen a beachball using FCPX (see my specs: I'm on the very low end of hardware).
(I've seen crashes … it's not all pink here )
Aside 'no background rendering' … or manual initiated rendering (to see complex compos in real-time…) :
Imho, it's all about 'delivery': put each stream on its own 'platter' = no beach balling, no stutter
And with stream I don't mean the source(s), but what you see on screen:
in case, you do pic-in-pic, compounds, MultiCam, you see 2/several streams - then, I recommend 2/several drives …
to over-exaggerate:
when you put the sources of a 4x camera MultiCam on 4 different drives ==> no stutter, no beach balling at all, even on antique, underpowered systems… ok, that's over-the-top, my several external, simple usb3 drives deliver each 2-3 fullHD streams flawless ...
best practice is it anyhow to separate Events from app/OS/cache…
I would suggest a min. of 16GB Ram.
The number-crunching (rendering) is mostly done on GPU, not CPU.
Last, silly comment: benchmark tests test benchmarks!
Means: FCPX + MacOS + Apple hardware sums up 'higher' than expected.
Don't be too focussed on GHz and stuff, no -user is interested in …
Shall I link again to my stunt? (some board members: "Nooo, not again!!" <yawn> )
I do link to my stunt ... >> 4x 4k Multicam on MacMini

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