BPM - Receive Sync/ASync Bridge Problem

Hi,
I am creating a scenario for an inbound Synch request to be serviced by a BPM process.
Here is the problem that I am facing while trying to configure the Receive Step
- I created a Message Interface defined as Abstract Synchronous.
- I created a process model and put in a Receive Step: Mode - Opens S/A Bridge, Synchronous Interface - defined as above.
- I define a container with Abstract type. But when I try to locate the above defined Abstract Synch message interface, I cannot find it.
- As a workaround, I create another Abstract Message Interface defined as Abstract ASynch.
- I create a container with this Abstract ASynch message type.
- I use this container in the Receive Step.
But activating the Business Process gives the error:
Message to be received and Synchronous Interface do not have identical types.
Can someone give me the correct procedure to configure the Sync / ASync Bridge ? thanks,
-Manish

Dan,
This is the link you are looking for?
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/83/d2a84028c9e469e10000000a1550b0/frameset.htm

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