Bpm to bpm communication

Hello,
I would like to call bpm2 from bpm1 (asynchronous with correlation) wait for bpm2 to finish, evaluate the result and continue.
Is that possible?
Or do I have to nest bpm2 into bpm 1?
Thanks
Matthias

Sure this is possible. You have to have an asyncronous start interface for bpm2, and trigger the IME in bpm1 via an automatic activity.

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Multi mapping - with BPM / without BPM

Hi Iam testing Multimapping with and without mapping.
in Mapping Editor
Source structure:
Messages 1..1
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......MT_Combined_file 1:1 DT_Combined_File
........DT_State 1..1
...........State_rec 0..unbounded
........DT_Supplier 1..1
..........Supplier_Rec 0..Unbounded
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Messages 1..1
...Message1 1..1
......MT_State 1:1 DT_State
........State 1..1
..........State_rec 0..Unbounded
...Message2 1..1
......MT_Supplier 1:1 DT_Supplier
........Supplier 1..1
...........Supplier_rec 0..Unbounded
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> State
State_rec -
> State_rec
DT_Supplier -
> DT_Supplier
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 <ns0:Message1>
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 <DT_State>
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 </DT_State>
 <DT_Supplier>
 <Supplier_rec>WalMart</Supplier_rec>
 </DT_Supplier>
 </ns1:MT_Combined_File>
 </ns0:Message1>
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Thanks for any help.

Hi,
take this part
<ns1:MT_Combined_File xmlns:ns1="http://bpm.split.com">
<DT_State>
<State_rec>NYC</State_rec>
</DT_State>
<DT_Supplier>
<Supplier_rec>WalMart</Supplier_rec>
</DT_Supplier>
</ns1:MT_Combined_File>
ignore <ns0:Message1> this will be generated at runtime.
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Thanks for immediate response.
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ID:
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Thanks for immediate response.
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IR:
idoc out bound interface
Idoc inbound interface
Idoc abstract interface for sender
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Interface mapping
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ID:
Sender business system
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N:1 Multimapping using bpm

hi all,
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thanks ,
Anup Banerjee

Hi,
You can use any of the collect message pattern provided. In your case any one of the following can be used:
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-> please go through this blogs it will help you.
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Error: 1:n multi-mapping using BPM for file to file scenario

Hi. Iu2019m trying to do 1:n multi-mapping using bpm scenario. I use file to file. Input file consists of many records and then I want many record to be transformed into many file at target system. I follow step in http://www.riyaz.net/blog/xipi-1n-multi-mapping-using-bpm/. However, I have a problem when file is retrieved in to XI. It doesnu2019t create any output file.
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IR
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Message Type: MT_file_split_sender, MT_file_split_receiver
Message Interface: SI_file_split_in, SI_file_split_out, SI_file_abs_source, SI_file_abs_target
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u2022 Source = SI_file_split_out
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ID
Import my Integration process
2 Communication Channel for getting input file (CC_File_split_sender) and creating output file (CC_File_split)
2 Receiver determination:
u2022 Source system to BPM using interface SI_File_Abs_source
u2022 BPM to target system using interface SI_File_Abs_target
1 Interface determination:
u2022 from source system to BPM
u2022 Sender interface: SI_File_Split_Out
u2022 Receiver interface: SI_file_abs_source
1 Sender Agreement
u2022 Commu. Component: Source System
u2022 Using interface: SI_File_Abs_source
u2022 Sender Communication Channel: CC_File_Split_Sender
1 Receiver Agreement
u2022 Sender Communication Component: BPM
u2022 Receiver Communication Component: Target System
u2022 Receiver Interface: SI_File_Split_In
u2022 Receiver Communication Channel: CC_File_Split
Anyone know how to fix this?
Thanks,
Pavin

Hi,
Yes, thats the problem.
You are creating file from test tab of 1..N mapping .
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Messages
 Message1
 MessageType
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<xml......>
<Messages>
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<MT_...>
</MT_...>
</Message1>
</Messages>
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Regards,
Sami.

When we will go for BPM

Hi,
I want to know when exactly we go for bpm and how to work simple bpm scenario.

Hi Sreenu,
BPM is used for Stateful communications,suppose u have to delay message processing,or wait for other messages to arrive and then semd them all together,in that case use BPM.
We will use BPM when ever we want to do the following:
1.Controling or Monitoring of messages in XI
2. Collect or Merge the messages in XI
3. Split the messages in XI
4. Multicast a Message
5. Need to send an Alert
6. Transformation
With its BPM capability, SAP NetWeaver:
Exploits business-process efficiency by giving your business
users the ability to directly model, manage, monitor, and
analyze business processes
Enables continuous process improvement and the dynamic
modification of business processes
Extends the value of your companys core business investment
and maximizes the return on its strategic assets by providing
the ability to change process rules without additional IT
investment
Provides greater visibility into critical business operations for
better decision making by delivering the right information at
the right time
Allows the integration of people, applications, and internal
and external resources
Process step types:
Message relevant:
Receive: We use it to receive a message. By receiving a message we are sending the data into process. We can use it to start a process. We can use it for activating or using correlations.
Send: We use it to send either an asynchronous or synchronous message or an acknowledgement.
Receiver Determination: We use it to get a list of receivers for sub sequent send step. It calls the receiver determination that we configured in the integration directory and returns receivers list.
Transformation: We use it to change a message inside the process. E.g. bundling multiple messages into 1 or splits a message into multiple.
Using this we can create N:1 or 1:N or 1:1 transformations. In general scenario 1:N transformation is possible.
Process flow control Relevant:
Container: We use it to set a value for target container element at runtime. Target container element and assigned value must have same value.
Control: We use it to terminate the current process and to trigger an exception and to trigger an alert.
While Loop: To repeat the execution of steps within the loop.
Fork: We use it when you want to continue a process in branches that are independent of each other. E.g. to communicate with two systems that are independent to each other
Block: We use it to combine steps that you want to execute one after the other and which are to access the local data.
Empty: It has no influence on the process flow. We use it as a place holder for a step that has not yet been defined, and as a step with no functions for test purposes.
Wait: We use it to incorporate a delay in the process.
Switch: We use it to define different processing branches for a process
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SXMB_MONI_BPE
SXWF_XI_SW11
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Use
You use a wait step ( ) to incorporate a delay in a process. Usually, you use a delay to define when the next step in the process is to start. You can define a delay as either a point in time or a period of time.
At runtime, the step waits until the specified point in time is reached or the specified period of time has passed. The system then continues the process by proceeding with the next step.
Expalined clearly how to do a file to file scenario with BPM :
/people/krishna.moorthyp/blog/2005/06/09/walkthrough-with-bpm
it is File>RFC>File using BPM then refer this blog.
/people/arpit.seth/blog/2005/06/27/rfc-scenario-using-bpm--starter-kit
BPM-1 /people/krishna.moorthyp/blog/2005/06/09/walkthrough-with-bpm
BPM-2 /people/krishna.moorthyp/blog/2006/04/08/reconciliation-of-messages-in-bpm
BPM-3 /people/arpit.seth/blog/2005/06/27/rfc-scenario-using-bpm--starter-kit
BPM-4 /people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/06/11/xi-how-to-retrieve-messageid-from-a-bpm
Integratio Scenario
/people/venkat.donela/blog/2006/02/17/companion-guide-to-integration-scenario
/people/siva.maranani/blog/2005/08/27/modeling-integration-scenario146s-in-xi
Schedule BPM
/people/siva.maranani/blog/2005/05/22/schedule-your-bpm
Use of Synch - Asynch bridge in ccBPM
/people/sriram.vasudevan3/blog/2005/01/11/demonstrating-use-of-synchronous-asynchronous-bridge-to-integrate-synchronous-and-asynchronous-systems-using-ccbpm-in-sap-xi
Use of Synch - Asynch bridge in ccBPM
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/1403 [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken]
without BPM
/people/henrique.pinto/blog/2007/08/02/syncasync-scenarios-without-bpm
without BPM1
/people/venkataramanan.parameswaran/blog/2007/01/18/syncasync-communication-in-jms-adapter-without-bpm-sp19
IDOC BPM
/people/pooja.pandey/blog/2005/07/27/idocs-multiple-types-collection-in-bpm
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/people/marilyn.pratt/blog/2007/10/12/clubhouse-las-vegas-a-bpm-roadmap
BPM Process Patterns:Repeatable Design for BPM Process Models
http://www.bptrends.com/publicationfiles/05%2D06%2DWP%2DBPMProcessPatterns%2DAtwood1%2Epdf
BPM Steps link : http://help.sap.com/search/highlightContent.jsp
BPM-BUSINEES PROCESS MANAGAEMENT
*Transformation Error and still stuck ? *
/people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2005/12/07/transformation-error-and-still-stuck
Walkthrough with BPM
/people/krishna.moorthyp/blog/2005/06/09/walkthrough-with-bpm
Reconciliation of Messages in BPM
/people/krishna.moorthyp/blog/2006/04/08/reconciliation-of-messages-in-bpm
Reconciliation of Messages in BPM Contd. - Restart Workflow
/people/krishna.moorthyp/blog/2006/04/08/reconciliation-of-messages-in-bpm-contd--restart-workflow
*XI: How to... retrieve MESSAGE_ID from a BPM *
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/06/11/xi-how-to-retrieve-messageid-from-a-bpm
XI: Do you realy enjoy clicking and waiting while tracing BPM steps?
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/09/04/xi-do-you-realy-enjoy-clicking-and-waiting-while-tracing-bpm-steps * *
BPM:Single Sender and Multiple Receivers based on synchronous exchange(switch) part-1
/people/prasadbabu.nemalikanti3/blog/2006/03/10/bpmsingle-sender-and-multiple-receivers-based-on-synchronous-exchangeswitch-part-1
Collecting IDocs without using BPM
/people/stefan.grube/blog/2006/09/18/collecting-idocs-without-using-bpm * *
*Multi-Mapping without BPM - Yes, itu2019s possible! *
/people/jin.shin/blog/2006/02/07/multi-mapping-without-bpm--yes-it146s-possible
Sync/Async scenarios without BPM
/people/henrique.pinto/blog/2007/08/02/syncasync-scenarios-without-bpm
XI/PI: BPM modeling in Aris for SAP Netweaver - a teaser
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2006/11/27/xipi-bpm-modeling-in-aris-for-sap-netweaver--a-teaser
*XI: who said he cannot be stopped? BPM JIM - SP17 *
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2006/06/27/xi-who-said-he-cannot-be-stopped-bpm-jim--sp17
*Schedule Your BPM *
/people/siva.maranani/blog/2005/05/22/schedule-your-bpm * *
*how to integrate unified worklist to xi-BPM *
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/bb9100f8-0c01-0010-ac8e-e017351f3fc1
*Usage of Sync-Async when both Sender and Receiver are Synchronous Apps *
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/1403 [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken]
Using a BPM to collect messages for a set interval of time
/people/daniel.graversen/blog/2006/09/07/using-a-bpm-to-collect-messages-for-a-set-interval-of-time
Sync/Async scenarios without BPM
/people/henrique.pinto/blog/2007/08/02/syncasync-scenarios-without-bpm * *
*Illustration of Multi-Mapping and Message Split using BPM in SAP Exchange Infrastructure *
/people/sudharshan.aravamudan/blog/2005/12/01/illustration-of-multi-mapping-and-message-split-using-bpm-in-sap-exchange-infrastructure
Regards,
Vinod.

Idoc to soap using BPM

Hi,
Plz give inputs/blogs link to do this scenario.
i want to send idoc from R3 to web service(SOAP) using BPM bec i want to get the response.
how many Message Interface i need to develop for this?
Edited by: ruban R on Apr 1, 2008 12:29 AM
Edited by: ruban R on Apr 1, 2008 12:39 AM

Hi,
These Steps may help you
Design objects:
Data type & Message Type
1) Import the IDOC and Later you import the Idoc, doble click on it a export it to your driver, next import it as External Definition for reason becouse if not, you wont be able to create a MI type synch with IDOC and genericResponse structure
2) Create data type for your Response Type of IDOC
3) Import the WSDL File For Request and the Response Type
4) Create the Message types according to the Data types which we created
Messgae Interface:
1) Outbound synchronous:
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2) Abstract Outbound Synchronous:
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3) Inbound Synchronous:
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4)Abstract Inbound Sunchronous:
    input message will be ur request message of RFC/WebService
    output message will be ur response message of RFC/Webservice
Mapping
Request Message Mapping:
b/w ur idoc external definiton and request message of RFC/WS
response Message Mapping:
b/w ur Response message of RFC/WS and ur message type
Interface Mapping
Import MI(abstract) of IDOC
Import MI of WS
select the mapping for request and response Tab
BPM
1) In container window define a variable named IDoc_ABS with category abstract interface and
    type (select the MI of IDOC alone)
   define a variable named GenericRespnse_abs with category abstract interface and type (select
   MI of genericResponse alone)
2) Create a Recieve Step --> in property message select the container you define before of idoc.
3) Define a Send Step--> mode synchronous
    select MI type abstract and sync (idoc and genericResponse)
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    for property response message selects container GenericRespnse_abs.
Save your Changes and thats all for BPM
Configuration
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2) Import your BPM
   Create a Receiver Determination
-->in the target service select the BPM. Save
-->In overview windown at foot windowns select MI IDoc_abs only. nothing else
Create a Receiver Determination
-->here the system who send data is BPM
-->in the target service select the BS of receiver system.Save
-->In overview windown at foot windowns select interface mapping and assing communication channel
what we do here. the flow is next
1) Receive data from sender system and send it to BPM
2) BPM call bs of target system (WS). how? because in interface determination you selected
   before the interface mapping
Regards
Seshagiri

Idoc to Webservice using BPM

Hi
I am using the BPM for the IDOC to Webservice Synchronous Scenarion...
When i trigger the IDOC from SAP it stuck in the Queue ...when i checked in the SXMB_MONI and when i clicked in PE it taking me to the INbound Queue ..
When i opened the Queue its showing the SYSFAIL ..and when i double click on that its shoes me Permanent ERRor in BPE Inbound Processing..
In BPM i used the Receive and Send Synchronous and Send Asynch steps ..
Did i miss Any thing
SV

HI,
I think for IDOC to Webservice you are going for Async to Sync bridge with BPM and have the similar steps as mentioned in below link.
Asyn - Synch BPM - Async/Sync Communication using JMS adapter without BPM (SP 19)
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