Bt.vision or lack of

Hi having problems with my bt vision had it just over a year not very successfully i can add now apparrenly i should never have been advised to have it as my broadband speed is not fast enough .I am now at the stage of waiting until the last engineer who was working on my line to sign the fault off so that they can verify there is no way i can have this service after paying for it for over a year also having just been upgraded to the gold package free of charge starting 10th May 2011 .After waiting in my house all day yesterday from 1pm until approx 5.45pm as advised by the technical team on Friday as was advised an engineer would need access no one came or contacted me i then called the technical team who told me an engineer had been working on my line but did not have the common sense to call me to let me know no access was required by him i find this strange because he works for a communication company and his call would be free all this after repairing faults in the exchange on the cables between the exchange and my house over the past months so i am afraid this has been a case of targets having to be met nothing to do with customer relations or giving customers what is asked for only getting numbers .Maybe i should add i was a BT engineer for over 30yrs and i ther is no way a customer was treated this way they were always informed of progress as a common courtesy but at this moment in time i am finding it very difficult to stay loyal to BT as i don,t think they care about customers on statistics sorry about the rant but i firmly beieve it is justified JAKS17

I agree just bad manners by the engineer or an oversight. I recall a similar situation where the engineer spend three hours sorting out a problem at the cabinet and then discovered he didn't need to come to the house to do an work and I was contacted.
Maybe he just forgot or as way behind schedule or distracted.
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An extensive look at the Zen Vision:M for those considring buying one (plus my firmware wishli

 Well first, I want to say that this is the 0th mp3 player that I have owned. This is definitely the best and most powerful player I have ever owned. With that said, its not perfect either, hence the purpose of this review. As I did on this board with the Zen Micro, I write this review in hopes that Creative will listen. Hopefully, creative will read this and take it to heart.
SOUND QUALITY:
 This is what any music device should be about right? Nothing else matters if the sound quality stinks. I used to own Creative?s Zen Micro. The sound on it was great but the bass was lacking. The best sounding mp3 player I?ve ever owned was Iri'ver?s old H20. With its customizable SRS settings, it still stands out against all others I have encountered. If that Iri'ver was the best, I am happy to say that this little device is a very close second. Creative included a bass boost function, and paired with the customizable EQ settings, the sound is amazing. It knocks the micro out of the ballpark.
MENU NAVIGATION:
 The menu on this thing is very familiar to that of other Zen players, including the micro. That?s not a bad thing since the navigation system is the most popular among most mp3 players of this class. I used to own Phillip?s HDD 6330, and that player and the 5th generation iPod have something that the Vision:m lacks. I have all of my music specifically organized by genre. I would like to go into the genre folder, and select a song by title, not by artist, then title. On the 5G iPod, and the HDD6330, the first menu option when going into the genre folder in ?All Titles?. So, all you had to do was select genre / all titles and you had every song in your library from that genre. This player lacks that ability.
 I will give praise to Creative for its side alphabetical bar. This has made scrolling my library very much easier. This is a very innovati've feature to use. I also give them props for making the main menu customizable. If Creative will add that one thing, its menu system would be unmatched and close to perfection!!!
FEATURES:
 Creative has built a host of features in this thing as they do with a lot of their players. The FM radio is good and the voice recorder is good. Now lets get to the good stuff. The Vision:m actually lets you choose your own background. Not only that, but for the picture you do decide to use, its lets you edit its brightness and color tone. This feature definitely comes in handy. I selected a nice picture of me and my son at the town fair, and it was way to bright. The letters on the screen were hard to read no matter what theme I used. Upon selecting a picture to use as background, the player gives you the option to raise or lower its brightness and color tone. I lowered the brightness and changed the tone and now, the background looks great. Creative should have gone that extra mile and gave the player the ability randomly select a new background every day.
 Also, I am liking the content password feature that gives you the ability to hide video and picture folders. Basically, if I wanted to, I can create a folder on my Vision:m, put some porn in it (come on, that?s what this is really about), and on the player, set it the folder to ?protected?. On the players System settings, set the option to hide all protected folders to ?hide? and you are all set. To unhide the folders, go back into System Settings and select it. Upon selecting it, you will be prompted for the password. I also like the fact the Creative include a calendar and organizer into the player. It?s nice however unnecessary it may be.
USER INTERFACE:
 I have got to give creative its pro
ps.
Those who criticize Creative for copying iPod really have no idea what Creative has done! Its ergonomic design is the best I have seen since the iPod!!! It is designed for one handed thumb use. One of the problems with the micro and other players like it is the fact that its touch pad was too sensiti've and by simply holding the player, it was a good chance you would accidentally access a function, when the hold switch wasn?t on. The only thing that?s touch sensiti've here is the scroll pad. Creative brilliantly included two side buttons along the thumb pad, which you can easily press with your thumb. This is not copy-catting. This is innovation! Add to that, the other outside buttons that surround the thumb pad are NOT touch sensiti've. They are clickable buttons. The chances of accidental button pressing are greatly minimized. My only problem with the setup is that Creative foolishly assigned the scroll pad buttons to song skip access. That?s fine and dandy when you are in the ?Now playing screen?, but when navigating the menu, it'ss a slight discomfort. The side buttons would be extremely useful when navigating the menu system. Especially with one handed use.
VIDEO and PICTURES
 Well, the one feature that sets this player apart is its ability to play video right? Well, when I first got my player and through my content on it, I threw some videos (less porn) that were on my computer on the player. They played flawlessly with no video conversion necessary. They included a downloaded episode of ?BattleStar Galactica?, ?Boston Legal?, and ?Prison Break?. They all played beautifully. I don?t know if the player?s CPU can handle it, but I would love the ability to fast forward or scan through long video files a lot faster. Selecting ?Seek To? from the menu helps a lot, but its not fast enough. Also, I would like for Creative to add quicktime or .mov support if its possible (legally). My digital camera and cell phone records video clips in .mov format. I also have lots of trailers on my computer in quicktime format. It would be nice if I can simply drop some of the clips on the player without converting them first.
 The Pictures show great on this player. You can't scroll through them as quickly and as crisp as with the iPod but there is a reason for that. The ipod scales down and convert photos so they can be shown on the screen. The Creative doesn?t do that. Simply drop the picture on the device and it will be displayed. The benefit to this method is that the player allows you to zoom in on the photos which is a very nice feature and an adequate trade
In. It makes transferring pictures faster also. Add to that, you can switch the folder view and thumbnail picture view to vertical scroll. Speaking of which, where is the USB OTG? This would be a big plus if you had it.
 The AV out works great also. I don?t have a/v cables that connect to the player on hand but I did have red and black audio cables that would connect. I stuck the jack in about half way and connected the red on to the video in port on the TV and it worked. I still highly recommend purchasing the a/V cables for it.
PLAYER DESIGN:
 What can I say. So, it looks like the iPod. But should we really fault Creative for that? iRi'ver?s H300 was the first mp3 player to have support for photo?s. When the iPod photo debuted, you could very well have accused Apple of ?copying? iRi'ver. The only way this player copies the iPod is the fact the screen is the same size and dimension. Oh, and the controls are on the bottom. Kind of like the same way Apple ?copied? iRi'ver. I emphasize the word copy because both of theses players were in development at the same time. Creative released their player a short time after Apple. There is no way Creative could have thrown a player this functional and feature heavy together so quickly. The fact that the players look similar is mere coincidence. Other than that, like the 5G ipod, it'ss a beauty. The fact that the buttons glow gives it an extra coolness. I give creative props for its new interface which rocks and what I like to call?The Thumb Click? Oh, and Creative, the next time you release a player, you can keep the so called ?sync adapter?. I don?t like it one bit. Find a way to build the outlets into the player without compromising is size!!! Its just one more thing I have to keep up with.
SOFTWARE / COMPUTER INTERFACE:
The last time I dealt with Creative?s software is when I had the Micro. It was clunky but functional. I like what they have done this time around. Still the familiar software but more organized. My only problem is when syncing. I edited an id3 tag on my computer and synced the library again. The software failed to sync the song, listing it as an error. The only way to correct this was to delete the song from the player and re-sync it.
ZEN CAST ORGANIZER NOTE:
 Creative, I say this with the best intentions not to be taken the wrong way. You guys need to scrap the current beta software and go back to the drawing board. Do you guys even realize the potential you have with ZCO? First off, when using the sync organizer, it works, but it can't handle video. It is ridiculously slow when handling video. The syncing software in explorer works a lot better. And then ZCO doesn?t show all of the podcasts available on ZenCast. It brings up internet explorer. What you guys need to do, is go back to the drawing board and design software that expertly organizes my entire media library with extreme simplicity. Have a section for music, pictures, video, and zen/pod casts. The Music section can have the option of connecting to an online music store, the video section can have the option of connecting to an online video store, and the ZenCast, to to the Zencast website, where you can easily subscribe to any zencast without bringing up the browser.
 Lets say you guys strike a deal with?.say?..NBC. and NBC makes its episodes of ?Book of Daniel? available on the Zen video store. I should be able to purchase a season pass, and every time I sync my player, it will automatically download and/or sync the latest episode. The possibilities are endless!!!
BUGS:
I have only noticed two bugs with this player. It seems that the Vision:m has an obsessi've compulsi've need to display album art for every song played. Even songs with no album art associated with them. Since my library is organized by genre and not by album, the player simply picks another album art from the folder ad displays that art for a song with no album art. Creative please fix this because its annoying. Also, one almost unnoticeable bug. The ?song time? count at the bottom of the progress indicator in the ?Now Playing? screen seems to have a hard time counting seconds in some songs. Its too slow and eventually catches up. Then counts regularly, and speeds p again. At first I thought the problem was with VBR mp3?s but it does it with regular 28 kbit rates.
Overall Creative has built a very good player and is currently the best out there. I was a fan of the micro and am now A HUGE fan of this one. This player has yet to crash since I have had it, considering that the micro crashed 3 times by this point of my having one. In fact, this looks to be the most stable player I?ve owned as well. I want to personally thank the Creative development for making a player so superior to anything else out there and at such a competiti've price. I will stomp for your company and brand every chance I get. But You have to meet me half way. Outside the Geek world, your brand is barely recognized. You need to set up a huge base of operations in the US and heavily promote your brand. Not just in magazines and one or two city billboards, but on constant TV commercials, get some music artists on TV promoting your player. Come on guys, really show Apple that you are serious about taking them on. I realize that this costs money to do, but you have to spend money to make money right?
Below is my Firmware Wish List I prioritized them starting with the most important thing. Please try to get to some of these issues.
- fix album art bug
- make a main menu option for Zen cast. This shouldn?t be in the video folder.
- Add the ability to browse by title in the Genre folder.
- Add support for .mov format to video please.
- USB On the Go would be a nice addition as well
- Add the ability to randomly select a new background from a pre selected group of photos every time the player is turned on or each day.
- SRS if possible. It sounds wonderful on other players.
- Make side scroll pad buttons to be used for navigating menu system.
- A small game or two wouldn?t hurt, but add more coolness to it.
Thank you for listening

wow, very nice review Makes me want to get a vision for myself.
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Add the ability to randomly select a new background from a pre selected group of photos every time the player is turned on or each day.
I would love that feature. I can't stand useing my computer with a single wall paper anymore (I have 500 anime pics that i rotate between every 2 mins ) If you could make the vision rotate background every x minutes or every time the player is turned on, it would be totally amazeningly sweet!!!! (i might have to go out and buy one then :P)
I just hope that creative has better firmware support with the vision than they have had with the touch.
Once again, great review

Is it possible to find an NTSC production monitor for $600?

I can't take it any more! Not only can they not be calibrated, but the consumer TV's that I've been using as monitors when working in FCP have those darn optimizing circuits that constantly adjust the picture based on the overall composition of each frame. My predecessors here obviously did not frequent this discussion board, or they certainly would have budgeted for a real monitor.
I've been browsing B&H but they're just so darn expensive! Does anyone know of any resources for cheaper or used options?
Thanks,
Zap

studio x is right and has provided some good links.
is a blue check critical? no. is it beneficial? you bet! in your situation where it's not going to be moved, you have to weigh the cost/benefit ratio of not using a filter to look through.
when i go on a job whether it's mobile or in a studio, invariably i have to set up a monitor, fast. route bars to the room or monitor in question and having to carry a filter is another pain in my patoot. hit the blue check, zip zam boom calibrated monitor to assuage some producer's poor vision or lack of vision. or, if i'm calibrating a monitor wall because it's not been done in years and some director is yelling about my video levels which are actually fine, it's far easier to use the blue check.
one thing to be careful about is whether the blue check displays in gray scale or actually deactivates the red and green guns and displays in blue. i hate gray scale blue checks and would advise you to stay away from them.
i've been doing this for so long as well that many times i just eyeball the cyan/magenta bars when it comes to chroma phase if this is just for a producer playback somewhere and isn't critical.
be careful with used monitors as well. you don't know how it's been treated, whether it's been retubed or needs it, or some lame video guy has been messing around with the yokes inside because he thinks he knows what he's doing. i used to work with a V1 who did this.
good luck.

Disabling that"..is an application which was downloaded from the Internet."

Downloaded Camino and use it. Now I do not want that warning anymore on every start. I do not give **** how Apple rates security of the file. I know the application is safe so I want to click some checkbox to disable warning on Camino start:
'“Camino” is an application which was downloaded from the Internet. Are you sure you want to open it?'
The only unsafe Camino is to Safari as recent version of Safari is really troubled with hick-ups and freezes while Camino seems to be very similar except that it does not have those issues Safari has.
I can only say what guy named Yeroen (read it if want):
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4414559
It is really Microsoft way. Can Apple get rid of that troll recenly hired in the company that makes Mac OS X now look like piece of... art that behaves so obnoxiously to a user? I cannot guess where Apple got those new ideas, but they definitelly look like some transplant from Vista and XP obnoxiousness. The only what comes to my mind is some folks that were contracted or hired from Microsoft. Shortsighted with narrow vision and lack of basic education on ergonomics of any user interface.
Hey Apple I dropped Windows because of that! Why do you do this to me now?
Sincerely,
Maciek Samsel

Okay. It looks like when copying from mounted .dmg file to Applications folder one needs to start Camino on that account and say once to allow start. This has to be done on account that was used to copy the file from downloaded .dmg.
In my scenario, I have administrative account which is separate from users (and of course my own as I am not administrator daily). So Camino was bothering me until I went to administator account and started Camino once. Apparently it had to make some writings into hidden system files to rememeber the choice and the choice was made across accounts.
I remember that similar issues were in Final Cut Express: you had to start the application from administrative account (the one that you used to install the application) once and after that you could easily go and use the application on other accounts at any time.
Looks like this is some sort of pattern which I considered ill as user really should not need to do that pointless start on account that is not supposed to be used for the application. Installation account and use account should be interpretted as two separate with no overlap of preferences. Now this issue was in FCE,but as far as Camino... it sounds like Apple extends this lame pattern to security control and internal system preferences.
Sincerely,
Maciek Samsel

Lack of budget journals in R12 Vision

Hi All
I am getting to grips with EBS GL data, and have been able to reconcile Actual journals to Balances 100%.
When I now look at 'B' balances in Vision I cannot see any journals for any year apart from 1997, despite large numbers of budget balances for later years.
So either
My Vision database is incomplete ?
Budget journals have been deleted !?
I am not understanding the relationship for budgets - i.e. that I expect all 'B' balances to have origonated from journal transactions. Ignoring multiple period budgets there should at least be some matching code combinations between balances and journals ?
I would really appreciate feedback from anyone who has used the Vision database.
Many Thanks
Andrew.

Sorry - I forgot to mention that the issue seems to lie with Vision Operations (USA ) ledger. Vision Germany is OK.

New message: BT Vision is Changing

I received a message sent to my BTV box and it says BT are moving me to a new look BT Vision platform in 30 days.
At the moment, I'm not on Infinity, nor do I have any wish to upgrade, though I am concerned I may lose my ESPN channel, which I've had for years.
I'd really appreciate it if you guys can clarify what changes I'll see after the new look platform has updated.
Many thanks
Neil

Just to make it clear, when I said it won't affect your "services" I meant the key things you are signed up to. So if you are on ADSL broadband and subscribe to ESPN via Freeview then those things should stay exactly the same after the upgrade. Like PP I'm on the Total Sports Max ADSL package and have been upgraded to the New Look software. Nothing has changed regarding my contract and the main services I subscribe to.
The lack of some functionality after the upgrade and the general usability and reliability of the New Look software is a whole different matter. Just read through the numerous threads on this forum discussing issues.
As well as the lack of surround sound support one other key difference is the lack of any teletext and red button support. My box version has also lost the 1080 HD option. Anyway, you can judge for yourself after the upgrade.

Lack of vison or lack of time - on iTunes sharing

It has come to my attention that there are some serious gaps in Apple's apparent vision for iTunes, but is it just because they just haven't had time to implement it yet?
In this context any iTunes that is 'sharing' its Library is a SERVER and any other iTunes or TV that accesses this shared music Library is a CLIENT.
There is currently no way to satisfactorily share music across a network (to other Macs, PCs). Yes you can share, but it is seriously deficient. Let me explain.
If you 'Share' a library, other client devices cannot use the 'Sort' tag data you may have meticulously added to the main Library on the server. Neither other Macs, PCs nor even an TV (when streaming, don't know about when sync'd) can make use of this data. Sorting reverts to the old iTunes method, e.g. Sort Artist tag is ignored and the artists will be sorted alphabetically by the Artist tag (excluding 'The' 'A' etc).
Since this applies to all devices using iTunes sharing protocol (Roku Soundbridge also suffers) it occurs to me that this is a deficiency in the sharing protocol itself rather than the individual client devices.
It is also quite apparent that an iTunes client cannot use any Album Artwork that exists within the iTunes server Library. Is this again a lack of functionality in the sharing protocol? In this case I think not as an TV quite happily gets the Album Artwork from an iTunes server that is streaming the music (and also via AirTunes which is seriously cool:-).
So there are several problems that need fixing. Whether or not the problem is with the sharing protocol or just the client devices, iTunes sharing MUST be enhanced to include Album Artwork and the use of Sort data for ALL Apple's client devices.
Then there is the different problem of sharing the music data directly, i.e. not via iTunes 'sharing'. It is relatively simple to share the music and Album Artwork files across a network, but there are problems with this approach. Most notably that any music added via iTunes on one machine never becomes available on any other iTunes sharing this music data. They have to be manually forced to 'Add to Library' in order to pick up any new additions. You can choose to limit where to re-scan, but that requires knowledge of where the importing iTunes has actually added the files so re-scanning the entire music folder may be required.
OK, so it's not impossible, but having done this, any Album Artwork (i.e. iTunes downloaded) that was added by that first iTunes also fails to appear on any other iTunes, even after the new music has been 'Added to Library', so this has to be added manually at every other iTunes that shares this music. But how is this additional artwork stored? Is iTunes clever enough to see that the file already exists (in the shared Album Artwork folder) and so simply link the tracks to that, or does it download and store all over again and link to that. In the latter case that means every copy of iTunes sharing over this network will actually have its own copy of all the Album Artwork, even though they share the same main folder location. So 5 machines with iTunes sharing the same music, but 5 copies of all the Album Artwork:-(
Currently I get around this by simply copying the Library file from the machine on which iTunes imported the new music to the other machines and so they then get all the new music AND the associated Album Artwork. But, this takes careful preparation at each machine to ensure that the Library can be freely copied in this way (and actually work) and also it means that every machine has to use the same playlists because the Library file gets copied each time.
All in all, it's a mess.
Seems to me we should drop the whole idea of sharing the actual music (and Album Artwork) files and be able to rely entirely on iTunes in-built sharing protocol. But for this to be acceptable, the following needs to be addressed.
What we need is for iTunes sharing protocol clients to have access to (and make use of) ALL the data that exists on the server, in particular the Sort tags and Album Artwork.
Also, there needs to be the ability for different clients to be able to setup and maintain their own playlists, based on music in the server's shared Library. This is currently not allowed in iTunes, but why not? In a household with all the legitimate music stored centrally, why should individual users not be allowed to do this? iTunes can no longer share a Library outside its own local network, so I see no reason why this should not be allowed.
iTunes has such huge potential, it's frustrating for it not to be realised.
I guess I'm just sounding off here and not really looking for answers, although if I'm wrong about any of the above and it's already possible, chip in and let the rest of us know. Otherwise, we just have to wait for Apple to get its iTunes act together - but keep breathing in the meantime.

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JDeveloper, ADF, lack of support and bleak future

Hi,
I'm a seasoned Java and .NET developer, used to many environments and frameworks. A happy user of Oracle databases.
For a very Oracle oriented client I started with a team of developer a project using JDeveloper (no choice). After 4 months of using JDeveloper, ADF to build web sites, here are some thoughts I would like to share. This remarks only focus on that products, because I have a lot of respect for the Oracle databases and had a lot of success with them.
I am starting to get depressed about the very few blogs (most from Oracle) talking about JDeveloper and ADF, the lack of books, and the Oracle forums.
Moreover, most of the time you never get an answer to your problems, sometimes untested not working 'solutions', and a very very few times a working solution. Help is sparse, the community is missing.
If Oracle wants to promote its framework, it has to boost the number of tutorials, examples and support.
Googling about ADF is most of the time a non sense since you always land on the same 3 blogs and the Oracle forums.
Proof of non use by the community ?
If you try on www.indeed.com to find statistics about JDeveloper or ADF jobs you get another frightening proof.
Sometimes you find a piece of code or a tutorial that may help, but you realize it works only on some specific release of JDeveloper.
What makes me angry is when you ask why your code works on the x.x.x.x version but not the newest version, and the only answer you get is stay with x.x.x.x version (I won't bother to fix your 10 lines or code or even give you a direction to do it (maybe coz I don't understand myself were the breaking changes are)).
JDeveloper is damn too slow ? You should have a dual-core and at least 2 Go of memory, you poor thing ! Is Java for rich people ?
Debuging is a nightmare. Compared to Eclipse or others it is not practical at all.
I'm happy when I can create a few pages drag and dropping controls. Business components are also a good thing. It speeds up my development. But since development is not just UI and generating business components, I lose a lot of time every time I want to write code, every time I do something "exotic" it becomes a pain in the ass.
My problem here is that the architecture and JDeveloper constraint the developer a lot. I don't even talk about the fact that everything is only Oracle database oriented (openess ?). Even changing your page layout is a pain. Positioning controls is non trivial. As a whole, I would say that this whole thing imposes you to adapt to it, it doesn't adapt to you and your way of working.
Most results I saw look like the Oracle websites.
I could go on about the various bugs and problems that plague JDeveloper. Like the refactoring (when usable) that leave old and annoying stuff in your model XML, like the bugs in the diagrams, like problems related to auto-binding on the page and manually changing controls ID, various synchronization problems between pages and backing beans, adding upload is a mess, OrdDomain types are buggy, regions doesn't work well in the designer, and so on...
My point is that I feel the whole thing is not mature. And Oracle seems to fix some issues with the release of JHeadStart. Sometimes you fix things by integrating JHeadStart stuff. JHeadStart is probably a great thing and a time saver if you don't do too much "exotic" screens and code, but does it means that JDeveloper+ADF and classic development becomes a second class citizen ?
This is sad, since the ADF framework and JDeveloper look good and are worth of a more widespread usage. But marketing and support are way way far behind other commercial and open-source solutions. When I see what is planned for JDeveloper 11 and I compare it to others (Java or not). When I look at the developers needs and expectations, I feel we are losing the race.
Maybe Oracle would like to hand over some of the framework to the community, but my feeling is that the community is already commited on other exciting and less constraining frameworks and tool, and this community may well work in a way that doesn't fit Oracle vision. Future will tell.
Cheers.

Hi,
thanks for the detailed comment. I appreciate the time you spent writing this up as this helps to improve the product. Below is a first - quick and brief response to some of your statements.
... for documentation and tutorials
http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/adf/learnadf.html
Especially the ADF Developer Guide for 4 GL developers earns a lot of praise among J2EE developers.
http://download.oracle.com/docs/html/B25947_01/toc.htm
... for books
http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/java/jsf.html
Sometimes you find a piece of code or a tutorial that may help, but you realize it works only on some specific release of JDeveloper. What makes me angry is when you ask why your code works on the x.x.x.x version but not the newest version, and the only answer you get is stay with x.x.x.x version
Of course samples need to be created to some point in time with a specific version. We have SRDemo as our main - maintained - reference demo I suggest you download this sample from OTN using help--> check for updates. Note that SRDemo contains code solutions for most developer cases and also is available in 10.1.3.1
I'm happy when I can create a few pages drag and dropping controls. Business components are also a good thing. It speeds up my development. But since development is not just UI and generating business components, I lose a lot of time every time I want to write code, every time I do something "exotic" it becomes a pain in the ***.
What is exotic, and what are the questions you didn't get an answer for ? I see that this is your first posting on OTN, so I am wondering under which account you posted the other questions that did not get an answer.
Googling about ADF is most of the time a non sense since you always land on the same 3 blogs and the Oracle forums. Proof of non use by the community ?
Isn't OTN a community ? I don't think that we need another discussion forum and looking at OTN it appears very active.
I don't even talk about the fact that everything is only Oracle database oriented (openess ?).
Not true. Please prove your claim.
Even changing your page layout is a pain. Positioning controls is non trivial. As a whole, I would say that this whole thing imposes you to adapt to it, it doesn't adapt to you and your way of working. Most results I saw look like the Oracle websites.
Now you are barking up the wrong tree, blaming ADF for what is JavaServer Faces layouting. You don't have to use JSF but can go for JSP /Struts and/or Swing development. What is the view layer technology of your choice that allows you to do better layouting ?
I could go on about the various bugs and problems that plague JDeveloper
Yes, please post them all
... regions doesn't work well in the designer, and so on...
Of course, because regions are not officially supported. JDeveloper 11 - I know you don't want to hear future - will have full templating (going far beyound of what facelets do) and region support
My point is that I feel the whole thing is not mature. And Oracle seems to fix some issues with the release of JHeadStart.
JHeadstart is a consulting offering and not meant to fix the product.
... but does it means that JDeveloper+ADF and classic development becomes a second class citizen ?
No comment for this statement as it is based on a wrong observation
This is sad, since the ADF framework and JDeveloper look good and are worth of a more widespread usage. But marketing and support are way way far behind other commercial and open-source solutions. When I see what is planned for JDeveloper 11 and I compare it to others (Java or not).
Note that only a fraction of new features in JDeveloper 11 leaked out so far or have been mentioned in the recent statement of direction. JDeveloper has many more features that we don't yet promote because the software isn't available.
Please note that we give ADF to the community. Its just we are not giving it to the open soutce community but the J2EE community (JSR-227)
Frank

Moving Home / Lack of Customer Service / Cancellat...

I write to express my complete astonishment and disgust with the level of service BT has offered to me as a valued long standing customer.
I have been a customer of BT for approximately 4 years, taking out a phone line, unlimited broadband, BT vision and Sky Sports, amounting to a considerable charge of around £42.00 per month. I have used these products constantly during this period and have been very happy with the service.
In mid February 2012 I phoned to inform BT that I was moving home shortly and would like to switch all service to a new address. I was told that I needed to call back when my current line had been taken over by the new tenant, at which time I could then move my services.
On Thursday 1st March I rang BT to inform them that my line had been taken over by the new tenant and that I now wished to move my contract over. I was informed that I needed to take out a new contract which would then waive any connection charges. I was more than happy with this and asked to set up the new account. The lady at BT who I was speaking to informed me that after running a line check there was an issue with the new property in respect of the supply to it. I informed her that the previous tenant in the new property had a BT phone line with all BT sockets but had obviously cancelled it on moving out. She informed me she would run some more tests and ring me back the following day on the Friday 2nd March. BT did not contact me at any time on the Friday.
On Saturday 3rd March I rang BT back very disgruntled with the lack of service offered. I spoke to a gentleman who checked my account and system notes and stated he didn't know why I hadn't been contacted back. He informed me that I could take out a new account and waive the connection fees. He run a check on the line but informed me that it was coming back as a black line, and that he would need to book an engineer to come out to the property to check the connection. He was very helpful in his nature and suggested that I plugged a phone into the BT sockets and dialled 17070 to check for a line and number. He stated that as it was the weekend he couldn't book an engineer till Monday but he would personally phone me back by 12pm on Monday 5th March to check with me regards any current phone line and if necessary book the engineer.
At 1.00pm on Monday 5th March I had not received any phone call from BT. I can't say that I was surprised given BT's lack of customer service over the previous few days. I proceeded to phone BT again at my expense on my mobile phone to be greeted by a very helpful gentleman who again took me through the same details as previously had been stated. I informed him of my disappointment of BT's customer service, to which he apologised and tried to set up a new account for me. On attempting to set up all my services I was told that it kept failing on the BT system when it reached the broadband page. He suggested that I set up the phone line to instigate the new account and once live I could then upgrade my account to include broadband, BT vision and Sky Sports.
Although not happy with this I accepted the proposal to which he then attempted to book an engineer. He promptly informed me that the next engineer available would be on Monday 26th March 2012, a full 3 weeks delay!! He then informed me the broadband could then be initiated but with an additional lead time of a further 5-7 days. Thus bringing the whole episode up to a total of 4 weeks, not including the time already wasted by BT in the previous week.
I proceeded to inform the gentleman that this was an unacceptable amount of time coupled with the inconvenience and lack of service, and that I would now cancel my contract with BT.
After coming off the phone to BT, I proceeded to go onto the internet where within 10mins I had set up an account with Plusnet for broadband. I received a text message 2 hours later from Plusnet to inform me that my phone line was now live and gave details of my new phone number together with delivery details of my new home hub and an expected broadband start date within 3-5 days. Now that's quality service.
I have since received a final bill from BT stating cancellation charges of £61.13 to be paid by 22nd March 2012 and also a returns envelope to post back all the equipment.
Please can BT inform me whether this is an acceptable standard of service that a long standing customer expects?
Please can you inform me why BT have difficulty in moving my account to a new address when a new provider can initiate within hours?
How can BT charge me a cancellation fee when I have attempted to continue my service but BT could not offer the service within a reasonable time frame?
Under the Supply of Goods & Service Act 1982, please inform me if BT believe they have met the requirements of the legislation;
- That BT have carried out the service with reasonable care and skill
- That BT have carried out the work in reasonable time
- That BT ensure the work will be carried out at a reasonable cost
I am totally disgusted with BT and the level of service offered, the inconvenience caused, the wasted costs and time I have incurred trying to move my service and the overall unprofessional nature of your business.
I have sent a personal letter to Ian Livingston - CEO of BT - can't wait for the comical reply to that!!
Update 13th March 2012: Just received an obnoxious call from BT Customer Services stating the cancellation charges of £61.13 will stand as per an auto renewal contract which expires in August, even though BT cannot offer the service I require in a reasonable amount of time! Is it acceptable to wait 4 weeks for Broadband when I am an existing customer?? I think legislation, OFCOM & Ombudsman are firmly on my side! Great service BT!!

If you would like to contact one of the UK based BT Care Team who moderate this forum, they should be able to help you.
They can be contacted using this link BT Care Team
They normally respond by phone or e-mail, within three working days, however you should get an immediate confirmation, with a tracking number.
There are some useful help pages here, for BT Broadband customers only, on my personal website.
BT Broadband customers - help with broadband, WiFi, networking, e-mail and phones.

BT Vision missold - disgraceful!

On 24/08/11 I called BT on the recommendation of a friend who lives elsewhere in the country to ask about their TV, phone and broadband packages. We previously used a similar package from Virgin Media. Virgin Media could not match the price of BT's package (once Sky Sports had been added), so having spoken to BT, I decided to switch and signed up to the BT Vision, BT Infinity Broadband and Unlimited Calls package with Sky Sports 1.
I was on the phone to the BT employee for over an hour while he sorted this out and referred to it as a 'complex order'. I couldn't see what was so complex about it, but he sounded new to the job so I remained patient as he went through the process. At no stage during the conversation did the BT employee tell me that being able to use BT Vision was reliant on having an aerial at my house with which to receive Freeview channnels. I told him that we were previously with Virgin but at no point did he explain the difference between cable and BT Vision as an aerial/freeview based service. We do not have an aerial at our house. I recall specifically asking him whether our house was likely to already have everything we need in order to use the service and that his reply was yes, and that if it didn't, the engineer who visits would install a BT line or a socket, as this was the only thing likely to pose a problem. He told me that the engineer would install everything, show me how it works and make sure I was completely happy before he left. I believed that everything would be fine because why would BT sell you a new service that they weren't sure you could use - right?!
On 31/08 the hardware arrived: Vision box, Hub, remote etc. On 02/09 I took the day off work to be home for the engineer. The engineer arrived and drilled a hole, installed a wire to move an old socket that the previous people in our house had used in another room and set up the broadband and phone line. He said that he does not get involved with the BT Vision part though, that if I wanted help with that, I'd have to arrange for a separate engineer to come out.
I set about installing the BT Vision myself. Following the instructions and obviously stumbling at the first because I had no aerial cable to attach to the Vision box as per the diagrams. Without the aerial, I can watch iPlayer and some pay perview programmes/films and not a lot else - hardly value for money. The Sky Sports card also does not seem to work, but I'm unsure as to whether this is down to the lack of aerial problem. I spent all day yesterday fiddling with this and by the time I was finished, customer services was shut (and I was furious, so just as well I couldn't call then!).
I have to say that the BT Infinity part of the package is wonderful and I would like to keep this and the phone line.
I have been quoted nearly £200 for the installation of an aerial on my roof and £45 for the addition of a socket for the wiring to enter the house in the right place. That's an additional £250 to use BT Vision. I hadn't bargained for this, wasn't informed of this at the point of sale and I certainly cannot afford it! On closer inspection on the website/ help pages, BT have a preferred partner for installations of aerials - I bet they do - what a nice little earner!
Today, 03/09, I called BT. They were very helpful and said that if the young man I spoke to when I was signing up didn't do a freeview check with me, i.e. talk about the channels we'd get and mention the aerial, then we have been missold and that this is serious, especially considering that this is one of BT's premium products. BT are handing it on to an offline team who will listen to the call I made on 24/08 and check. If they find that he hasn't done what he should have done, then they will cancel the Vision service, take back the box and not charge us for any of it, while keeping the BT Infinity and phone line intact. BT have said that they will contact me within 5 working days and let me know.
I am SURE that the salesaman did NOT make it CLEAR that I would need an aerial to access the service. If he had mentioned the aerial, I would have gone away to check before signing up, as we have never used an aerial since we have been in this property. The salesman made me feel that the engineer would solve any problems but when he arrived he wouldn't even touch the Vision box! Until yesterday I didn't even understand that BT Vision is basically just Freeview with iPlayer and pay per view movies. BT obviously need to make sure this is crystal clear in all conversations and advertising.
Before I knew that all this would be such a headache I cancelled my Virgin Media services and they have already been round to take back their set top box etc. - I'll also have the problems of restarting a cancelled service with them if BT manage to resolve the above! I wish I'd never even heard of BT!
I will let you know how it goes....

Homework includes listening to the people who are selling the service! We're not talking about some 'fly by the night' cowboy outfit here, and BT have a (moral) responsibility to ensure that they're not selling a service that the consumer can't access.
I can remember my own call when I signed up to Vision, and they asked about my reception for Freeview, so BT's own procedures were followed, and I have no complaints despite not being able to receive all 6 mux's.
You only have to read this forum to understand that there are many questions about what Vision does and doesn't provide (HD content is a perfect example), the least you can expect from BT's own employee's is a basic explanation.
Not everyone is this world is technically savvy and what seems obvious to you and me may not be obvious to others. It seems to me from the original post that BT's own procedures weren't followed and so the OP (who's happy to keep the BB and phone - so isn't on some sort of anti BT crusade) should be allowed to drop Vision at no charge to themselves.
For the avoidance of doubt I have no complaints about the level of service I have had from BT
......but I'm not an 'expert'....yet!

Suggestions for new Sci-Fi on Vision

Hi Guys,
The Vision Programming Team have asked for Sci-Fi TV suggestions from Vision users, that we would like to see available via On Demand.
So, via an email from Mod DavidM, I was asked to start a new thread, because they want our feedback. And 'FRINGE' has now been added to the Sci-Fi category (via the 'Serious Lack of' thread). So they do listen!
So to kick off...my last post on the other, main Sci-Fi thread...
Sci-Fi I'd like to see on Vision...
The DUNE and CHILDREN OF DUNE TV mini series (original novels by Frank Herbert).
They are both donkey's years old (2000 & 2003) and so wouldn't cost that much to purchase.
Both mini series won numerous Emmy awards and were also rated as two of the top three highest-rated programs ever to be broadcast on the Sci-Fi Channel.
Battlestar Galactica. Both the TV mini series and the full TV series (the highest ever rated show on the Sci-Fi Channel), which Sky aired between 2003 - 2009. Pure quality.
Also, as another plus, none of the above have ever been aired on British terrestrial television. So lots of potential for new viewers.
Anyone else with any gems you would like to see?
Rank - Mostly Harmless.

Hi
I am loving Fringe and I really liked series one of The Legend of the Seeker so looking forward to Season 2 when its possible
I am a total Sci Fi freak as is the rest of my family here are a list of some of the stuff we have watched over the years and lately that we like.
Star Trek - any of the series ie Enterprise, any of the captains
Earth Final conflice
Buck Rogers
Science fiction theatre - old fashioned stories
V either the old or the New I have not seen the New actually
space 1999 - loved this when I was a kid not sure how it would look now
The bionic man / women used to be good
The Avengers
Lost in Space - probably not everyones cup of tea
Alien Nation - I was 50 50 on this one
Stargate any of the series watched them all and enjoyed them
Tales from the Crypt
Andromeda
Firefly
Quantum Leap
Dark Angel - this story line was different
The Outer Limits
Xena
Hercules
Sliders
Dr Who
Torchwood
The Twilight Zone
X Files
Just some of the good stuff out there for Sci Fi fans would love to see more of it On Demand
A successful man is one who makes more money than his wife can spend. A successful woman is one who can find such a man.
Lana Turner

Red Button....or lack of !!

I got fed up over the weekend, again, with the lack of the "red button" on the BT Vision box. I submitted a question to BT Customer service and stated that I had seen posts in here from 2012 saying "it was being worked on" and asked how much longer we had to wait.
I received a call from them to advise "it was still being worked on" but there was no indication how long this would take.
Even the most basic Freeview set top box has this facility, but the piece of junk BT Vision box does not.
When is BT management going to take notice of customer comments and actually do something about things like this instead of blowing their own trumpets and saying how good the service is ?
Have they not paid any attention to recent surveys which put their customer servic way down the league tables ?
Rant over.....for now !!!
Has anyone else had any better info about when we can expect the red button ?

pangit wrote:
I got fed up over the weekend, again, with the lack of the "red button" on the BT Vision box. I submitted a question to BT Customer service and stated that I had seen posts in here from 2012 saying "it was being worked on" and asked how much longer we had to wait.
I received a call from them to advise "it was still being worked on" but there was no indication how long this would take.
Even the most basic Freeview set top box has this facility, but the piece of junk BT Vision box does not.
When is BT management going to take notice of customer comments and actually do something about things like this instead of blowing their own trumpets and saying how good the service is ?
Have they not paid any attention to recent surveys which put their customer servic way down the league tables ?
Rant over.....for now !!!
Has anyone else had any better info about when we can expect the red button ?
Why not upgrade to the YouView box which is a far better bit of kit and has red button + according to the YouView forum, will also gain support for the new Connected Red Button service later this year.

Basler acA2500 not loading correctly into Vision

I have a acA2500-14uc Basler Ace USB3.0 that I'm using along with PXI-8135 controller. The camera works correctly in pylon viewer, but Vision assistant only lets me select 'Basler Generic' which only does monochrome and lacks many settings.
Before I updated vision through the internet, it was working correctly.

Before I saw your message, I uninstalled the camera from the Device Manager (which was identifying as a Basler Camera), and unistalled the pylon software. I replugged the camera back in and it installed as a NI Vision USB3 device. I checked in MAX and it ID'd correctly as the acA2500-14uc and had all of the same settings and ranges as the Basler pylon options. It is also working correctly in Vision Assistant now.
Is there any advantages to installing the Basler software package and using the Basler ID drivers? If not, this seems ok and I'd rather not try to mess around with driver conflict problems. My intent is to really only use this camera within LabVIEW.

Smart Playlists on Zen Vision:M and Creative Media Organizer Software

I come from the iPod world, where, once a playlist is created in iTunes, the playlist is transferred to the iPod, and is automatically updated each time you sync. That's why it's called "smart" playlist.
I can create a smart playlist using the Creative Media Organizer software. It automatically updates the playlist, based on the rules I defined. However, the playlist created on the Media Organizer does NOT get transferred to the Vision:M player! What's the point in that?
I can, of course, copy the smart playlist to the Vision:M manually... but there are two HUGE problems with that...
) The smart playlist becomes a "static" playlist... it does not get updated when you sync -- the music in the playlist never changes (even though the original smart playlist is updated on each sync),
2) The software recopies the *music* back to the Vision:M each time you create a playlist! This means that it overwrites the music that was there, with the (same) music in the playlist!! This takes FOREVER, if there are a lot of titles in the playlist! This is obviously a brain-dead way of doing things! All the software/Vision:M needs to do, is to copy the actual music files that don't currently exist on the player, and then create a text file that contains the *location* of the music... in other words, an M3U playlist file! One of the (many) issues with doing things the way this software does it, is that each time a track appears in a separate playlist, a duplicate entry for that song appears in the Vision:M's music list! So, if you have 5 playlists, and each one contains "Mozart's 5th", then when you list all the songs on your Vision:M, you'll get 5 copies of "Mozart's 5th" listed! Dumb!
Any way around these problems? Can I have smart playlist that gets transferred to the player so that it contains only the songs I want? Does it *have* to recopy ALL the songs to the player, each time I create a playlist? Does it *have* to add duplicate entries to the list of files on my Vision:M?
Is the software *really* as dumb as I think it is, or am I just being a BDU (Brain Dead User)?

You can only automatically sync playlists using Windows Media Player 0 as far as I know. There's lots of other software out there that can use the Media Transfer Protocol of the Vision:M, but I'm not sure what they can do.
Creative's software is desperately lacking in the playlist sync area, so you're not being a BDU

Really don't like new BT vision

Have recently been upgraded to new BT vision and do not like changes .
It is not easier to use TV guide - you cannot just switch on TV you have to negotiate all the categories .
Also when listening to radio you get constant advertising of TV programmes - WHY ?
Very disapointed

Completely agree. I spent 2 hours last night downloading the upgrade as an app required the new OS. The ridiculous mail system really *****. I have a mail in my inbox from Geoff. When I open the mail I find another 4 potential mails and find the latest is from Mike not Geoff. How confusing, time consuming and unnecessary.
I now have to spend another night trying to go back to the previous OS.
I used to like iphone - am really disappointed with the lack of forethought and practicality on this issue.

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