BTCare Community Forums Terms of Use

BTCare Community Forums Terms of Use
The BTCare Community Forums site is provided by British Telecommunications plc (BT) whose registered address is at 81 Newgate Street, London EC1A 7AJ, registration number 1800000.
1. Applicability and Acceptance
The following Terms of Use (the “Terms”) apply to anyone accessing and using the BTCare Community Forums (the “Site”), or any part of it. Please note that if you choose other services from BT once you have registered with us then you may be asked to accept other applicable terms and conditions.
2. Acceptance of Terms of Use
By using the Site you agree to be bound by these Terms. BT may modify these Terms from time to time and you are therefore advised to keep up to date with any changes by regularly reviewing these Terms.
3. Eligibility
3.1 The Site is available to you for your personal use which may include posting your views or responding to the views of other users of the forum. We do not permit use of the Site for your direct commercial gain.
3.2 You must be sixteen years of age or over in order to use the Site. By accepting our terms of use you confirm you are aged sixteen or over.
4. Access, Account Security and Registration
4.1 When you use the Site you may set up a personal profile where you can create threads/posts, contact other users using private messaging facility, perform searches and comment on other members’ threads/posts. It is your responsibility to ensure that you have an appropriate web browser or any other technical requirements in place in order to access and make use of the Site.
4.2 In using this Site, you agree to:
provide us with and maintain accurate, current and complete information about you on registration to the Site;
maintain and promptly update any information you provide to us including registration information, where it may have changed, keeping it accurate, current and complete; and
be fully responsible for all use of your account and for any actions that take place using your account.
5. Ownership of Content that we provide
5.1 Content provided by BT on the Site is protected by copyright, trademark and other intellectual property rights as applicable.
5.2 Content provided by BT on the Site is owned by BT or licensed to BT by third parties, including information, text, designs, graphics, pictures, video, photographs, applications, software, audio and other files, and their selection and presentation (”Our Content”).
5.3 You must not, without BT’s prior written consent, copy, publish, download, de-compile or modify Our Content or use any or part Our Content, unless otherwise agreed in writing by BT.
5.4 You may download or print a copy of any part of Our Content to which you have properly gained access solely for your personal, non-commercial use, provided that you keep all copyright, trademarks, logos or other proprietary notices intact. BT reserves the right to withdraw its consent at any time.
6. Content you post on the Site
6.1 You are responsible for all content (including information, text, pictures, photographs, messages, reviews, notes, videos software, your name or company name and other files or material) that you upload or post on the Site or communicate to other users through the Site. If you did not create content that you post or otherwise make available to the Site, it is your responsibility to ensure that you have the necessary consent from the owner of the content to use it on the Site. You are responsible at your own cost for creating backup copies and replacing any content that you upload or post on the Site or provide to us.
6.2 In order to ensure that the full benefits of the Site are realised by all users BT would encourage you to upload your content as you see fit. So that others (including potential customers) may access and benefit from your content, BT needs to ensure that it has your permission to make your content available. You therefore agree to give BT (as providers of the Site), a non-exclusive, transferable, royalty-free, worldwide licence to use any content that you upload, post or otherwise make available on the Site.
6.3 You must not upload, post, or otherwise transmit any content (including but not limited to text, links, communications, software, images, sounds, data, or other information) that includes any of the following inappropriate content:
a)       any personal information belonging either to the poster or another person, such as full name, address, phone number, personal email address, and BT reference numbers;
b)       Spam, such as advertisements for other web sites and services, or other commercial solicitation; chain letters, or pyramid schemes, polls or petitions;
c)       Flooding the forum boards with excessive posting or padding posts;
d)       Profanity; material that is libellous, fraudulent, unlawful, defamatory, pornographic, obscene, profane, racist, sexist, abusive, offensive, threatening, hateful, or otherwise objectionable;
e)       Discussion of illegal activities or providing links to other websites containing such information;
f)        Discussions that veer off topic, are unrelated to resolving the issue at hand, are repetitive or campaigning, that promote products or services from other providers, or abuse any company or product;
g)       Repetitive or continuous complaints about BT policy including allegations of abuse of privacy, use of third party suppliers or any other policy for any purpose;
h)       Discussions of moderator actions on the boards. If you need to comment on a moderator action, please private message any administrator/moderator;
i)         Posting or transmitting any information or software containing a virus, worm, Trojan horse, or other damaging or destructive component;
j)        Posting a link directing users to any information or content that, if posted on the Site would constitute a violation of the Guidelines or Terms of Use.
k)       "Bombing" the Site or individual threads with repetitive or meaningless postings, postings unrelated to the purpose of the BTCare Community Forums; excessive cross-posting;
l)         Attacks, including "Flaming" another user or entity in such a way as to incite or perpetuate an argument or conflict; creating usernames to attack other users' identities; impersonating other individuals or falsely representing one's identity or qualifications; posts made under secondary user names or other aliases for the purpose of either endorsing or denigrating others; posts that breach any participant's privacy by including name, address, phone, email address, or any other identifying information.
m)     Evading bans or suspensions or otherwise disregarding directions from moderators or administrators.
BT will take action under paragraph 7.2. below if you carry out any of the activities described above.
6.4 You agree to indemnify BT against all claims and proceedings arising from infringement of any third party’s intellectual property rights as a result of content that you have posted on or made available on the Site. This indemnity does not apply to claims or proceedings arising from BT’s use of your content other than in accordance with these Terms. BT can withdraw your content at anytime without notice.
6.5 In exceptional circumstances it may be necessary to remove content which you post on our community because of legal or commercial reasons. i.e. if compelled to do so due to a court order, a contractual obligation with a third party, or a regulatory requirement. This may occur even if none of the above breaches in terms of use are applicable. A user will be informed via PM if a deletion (or edit) is carried out for this reason, but it will usually not be possible to explain the decision in these circumstances.
7. User Conduct
7.1 You agree not to use the Site (or any part of it) to:
a) act in any way that is unlawful or defamatory, in contravention of any licence, third party rights, or in contravention of any guidance that BT may give to you , and you agree to comply with BT’s Acceptable Use Policy which can be found at www.bt.com/acceptableuse and which may be amended by us from time to time;
b)    damage, disable, overload or affect the operation of the Site;
c)    collect email addresses or other contact information of other users from the Site by any means for the purposes of sending unsolicited emails or other unsolicited communications;
d)    solicit personal information, passwords or other personally identifying information for commercial or unlawful purposes;
e)    solicit participation in public discussion, debate, comment or activity outside this Site;
f)     register yourself for more than one account, or register on behalf of another individual or group without our written consent;
g)    provide false or misleading information about yourself or your business, or create a false identity; or
h)    use or attempt to use another’s account, service or system without BT’s prior written authorisation.  
7.2 BT takes any misuse of the Site very seriously indeed, and therefore you agree to take all necessary steps to make sure that you do not misuse the Site. If BT reasonably believes that you have misused the Site (or any part of it) in any way, then BT may terminate your registration, remove your content, and/or suspend or terminate your access to the Site without notice. BT will be under no obligation whatsoever to reinstate your registration.
7.3 You agree to indemnify BT and any affected 3rd party against all legal fees, damages and other expenses that we may reasonably incur as a result of any misuse of the Site (or any part of it).
7.4 If you believe that any content displayed or made available on the Site includes any of the above offences, then please let BT know through our contact page which is displayed on the Site.
7.5 BT reserves the right to manage the postings on the BTCare Community to provide an orderly presentation of this information. To effectively manage the site, BT may designate employees or others to act as moderators and administrators for the site ("Moderators"). These Moderators are the only representatives of BT authorised to manage the BTCare Community. Any BT employees who are not designated as Moderators or Employees are not authorised to represent themselves on the site as BT employees. Authorised BT Employees are distinguished by the Rank of "Employee" and/or an official BT logo as an Avatar.  BT is not responsible for content provided by any BT employee who is not designated as a Moderator or an Employee.
8. Security
8.1 You are responsible for the security and proper use of any user IDs, PIN numbers and passwords required for registration on the Site, and must take all necessary steps to ensure that they are kept confidential, secure, used properly and not disclosed to unauthorised people.
8.2 Although we provide security measures to prevent access by unauthorised users to the Site, we do not guarantee that such security measures are fault free. You acknowledge that the site could be accessed by unauthorised users should they be able to break through or bypass our security measures.
9. Liability
9.1 BT accepts liability as set out in these Terms. BT does not guarantee that the Site will be fault-free.
9.2 BT does not exclude or restrict it’s liability for death or personal injury caused by BT’s negligence or for fraudulent misrepresentation or to any extent not permitted by law.
9.3 BT shall not be liable to you in contract, tort (including negligence), breach of statutory duty or otherwise for any direct loss of profit, revenue, time, anticipated savings or profit or revenue, opportunity, data, use, business, wasted expenditure, business interruption or for any other direct loss.
9.4 BT shall not be liable to you in contract, tort (including negligence), breach of statutory duty or otherwise for any indirect or consequential loss of profit, revenue, time, anticipated savings or profit or revenue, opportunity, data, use, business, wasted expenditure, loss of or damage to physical property, business interruption or for any other indirect or consequential loss or punitive damages.
9.5 BT accepts liability in contract, tort (including negligence) breach of statutory duty or otherwise for direct loss limited to £1,000 for all events in any 12 consecutive month period.
9.6 BT excludes all liability of any kind (including negligence) in respect of any third party product, services, content, or other material made available on, or which can be accessed using, the Site or the validity of the provider of such product, services, content or other materials.
9.7 Each part of this clause operates separately. If any part of a clause is held by a Court to be unreasonable or inapplicable the rest of the clause shall continue to apply.
10. Disclaimer of warranties and representations
10.1 BT excludes any and all warranties or representations whether express or implied, including without limitation any warranties or representations for merchantability, suitability, fitness for a particular purpose, non-infringement of proprietary rights or the accuracy or completeness of third party products, services, content or any other material made available on, or which can be accessed using, the Site, to the fullest extent permitted by law.
11. Suspension, withdrawal and termination
11.1 BT reserves the right to suspend or withdraw the Site at any time without notice.
11.2 BT reserves the right to suspend or terminate any member’s registration and use of the Site.
12. Personal Data
In addition to our commitments under our Privacy Policy BT collects information from visitors to the Site to help us to make improvements to the forums and to the services we make available. We may keep any personal data that you disclose to compile statistics on community forums usage.  We know, for instance, how many visitors there are to the forums, when they visited, for how long and to which areas of the forums they went. This information is used for trend analysis purposes and we do not use this information to identify individuals visiting the community forums.It is your responsibility to ensure that you have the necessary consents if you pass on a third party’s email address to BT. We are not responsible for the security of any personal data that you chose to post on the site.
In respect of any personal information which you may upload, post or transfer to any third party on the Site, whether your own or that of any third party in contravention of clause 6.3 a) above, you agree that you are acting as the data controller and that BT and any third party supplier to BT are acting as data processors. You agree to indemnify BT and any relevant third party supplier against all claims and proceedings arising as a result of personal data you have posted or made available on the Site.
You accept that by using this Site that the storage of personal information including Customer Data will be carried out using facilities in the United States of America. The storage of Customer Data by BT will be in accordance with the EEA Safe Harbor Principles.
YOU CONSENT TO THE TRANSMISSION OF CUSTOMER DATA AND TO THE STORAGE OF CUSTOMER DATA ON SERVERS LOCATED IN THE UNITED STATES.
13. Changes to the Site
BT reserves the right to modify, edit, delete, suspend or discontinue, temporarily or permanently, without notice, the Site (or any part of it) and/or the information, content, videos, materials, products and/or services (or any part of them) available through the Site at any time.
14. Disputes
You are solely responsible for your interactions with other Site users. BT reserves the right to (but has no obligation to) monitor disputes between you and other users.
15. Applicable Law
These Terms are governed by and will be interpreted in accordance with English Law and any disputes relating to these Terms will be subject to the exclusive jurisdiction of the English Courts.
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    Taken from:
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  • Censored posts for made-up terms of use???

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  • Terms of Use (AKA Registration Agreement)

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  • Community terms of use: broken link?

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    https://discussions.apple.com/static/apple/tutorial/tou.html
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    Not Found
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  • BTCare Community Newsletter Issue 2

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    Terms of Use
    Adobe General Terms of Use
    Last updated May 7, 2012. Replaces April 30, 2010 version in its entirety.
    1. Your Agreement With Adobe.
    1.1 Choice of Law. If you are a resident of North America, your relationship is with Adobe Systems Incorporated, a United States company, and you agree to be bound by the laws of California and the laws of the United States. If you reside outside of North America, your relationship is with Adobe Systems Software Ireland Limited, and you agree to be bound by the laws of Ireland.
    1.2 This document sets forth your legal agreement with Adobe Systems Incorporated or Adobe Systems Software Ireland Limited and its agents and affiliates (collectively, “Adobe”). Your use of any Adobe website or service (collectively “Service” or “Services”) that link to these terms is subject to these Terms of Use (the “General Terms”).
    1.3 Some Services may also be subject to additional or different terms (the “Additional Terms”). Without limitation, the Additional Terms for the following Services are hereby incorporated into the General Terms by reference:
    Acrobat.com
    Digital Publishing Suite
    Adobe ConnectNow
    EchoSign
    Adobe Content Server 4
    Adobe Translator
    Adobe Flash Platform Services
    PhoneGap Build
    Business Catalyst
    TypeKit
    CS Services
    Adobe Digital Enterprise Platform Collaboration Service
    1.4 If there is any conflict between the General Terms and the Additional Terms, then the Additional Terms take precedence in relation to that Service. The General Terms and any applicable Additional Terms and all other documents incorporated by reference in these General Terms are referred to as the “Terms”.
    1.5 Adobe may change the Terms at its sole discretion. If we change the Terms, then we will make a new copy available athttp://www.adobe.com/go/terms. Your use of the Services is subject to the most current version of the Terms at the time of such use.
    2. Definitions.
    Unless otherwise defined, capitalized terms used throughout these General Terms have the meanings stated below:
    2.1 “Account Information” means the information you provide to Adobe when you register for a service, including your Adobe ID and log-in information.
    2.2 “Intellectual Property Rights” means copyright, moral rights, trademark, trade dress, patent, trade secret, unfair competition, and any other intellectual and proprietary rights.
    2.3 “Law” means any applicable law, regulation, or generally accepted practices or guidelines in any applicable jurisdiction, such as any laws regarding the export of data or software to and from the United States or other applicable countries.
    2.4 “Make Available” means to email, post, transmit, upload, or otherwise make available through your use of the Services.
    2.5 “Marks” means the trademarks, logos and service marks displayed on the Services.
    2.6 “Materials” means any materials provided by Adobe and any User Content, including, without limitation, any (a) information, data, documents, images, photographs, graphics, audio, videos, or webcasts, (b) products, and (c) Software.
    2.7 “Service Materials” means Materials other than Your Content.
    2.8 “Shared Content” means the User Content that you or other Users share through the Services.
    2.9 “Software” means Adobe software code and associated documentation, including without limitation any mobile and tablet applications related to the Services, content files, drivers, patches, or fonts.
    2.10 “User” means a user of the Service.
    2.11 “User Content” means (a) Your Content and (b) Shared Content uploaded by other Users.
    2.12 “Your Content” means any Materials that you Make Available through your use of the Services.
    2.13 “Your Shared Content” means Your Content that you choose to make into Shared Content.
    3. Acceptance of Terms.
    3.1 You may not use the Services if you do not agree to the Terms. You may accept the Terms (a) by selecting “I agree” to these Terms, (b) by using the Services in any way, such as downloading or uploading any Materials made available via the Services by Adobe, you, or other Users, or (c) by merely browsing the Services.
    3.2 You may not use the Services if (a) you are prohibited by Law from receiving or using the Services, (b) you are not fully able and competent to enter into a binding contract with Adobe, such as if you are not of legal age or have not obtained parental consent. In particular, unless expressly stated otherwise in the Additional Terms for any given Service, you affirm that you are over the age of 13 and acknowledge that these Services were not intended for children under 13.
    3.3 Adobe may require you to provide consent to the updated Terms before further use of the Services is permitted. Otherwise, your continual use of any Service constitutes your acceptance of the changes.
    4. Privacy Policy.
    For information about Adobe’s data protection and collection practices, please read the Adobe Privacy Policy athttp://www.adobe.com/go/privacy, which is incorporated herein by reference. You agree to Adobe’s use of your data in accordance with the Privacy Policy.
    5. Ownership.
    5.1 Services and Adobe Materials. The Services and Materials, and their selection and arrangement, are protected by Intellectual Property Rights. Except as expressly provided in the Terms, Adobe and its licensors do not grant any express or implied rights to use the Services and Materials. All rights, title, and interest in the Service and Materials, in all languages, formats, and media throughout the world, are and will continue to be the exclusive property of Adobe and/or its licensors and nothing in the Terms shall be construed to confer any license or right, by implication, estoppel or otherwise, under copyright or other intellectual property rights, to you or any third party.
    5.2 Trademarks. The Marks are the property of Adobe or other rights holders. You are not permitted to use the Marks without the prior consent of Adobe or the rights holder. Adobe and the Adobe logo are trademarks of Adobe Systems Incorporated. For a current list of Adobe’s Marks, as well as certain third party Marks, please refer to the posted trademark information at http://www.adobe.com/go/trademarks.
    5.3 Your Content. If you are an individual User, then you own all right, title, and ownership to Your Content. If you are using and accessing the Services and Materials through an account purchased by someone else (such as an employer or a client), then then the person who paid for the account retains all right, title, and ownership to Your Content. For example, if you are using Services provided by your employer, then your employer (not you) owns Your Content.
    6. Use of Services and Materials.
    6.1 If you comply with the terms and conditions of this Agreement, Adobe grants to you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable right to access and use the Services, to Make Available Your Content to the Service, and to use the Service Materials in connection with the Services, subject to the following conditions:
    (a) You may not alter, copy, modify, or re-transmit the Service Materials without Adobe’s express consent;
    (b) You may not lease, license, rent, or sell the Service Materials or the right to use and access the Services;
    (c) You may not remove, obscure, or alter any text, copyright, or other proprietary notices contained in Service Materials; and
    (d) You may not copy or imitate part or all of the design, layout, or look-and-feel of the Service, which are protected by Intellectual Property Rights.
    6.2 You agree to use the Services and the Materials only as permitted by the Terms and any Law.
    6.3 You acknowledge and agree that certain Services and Materials may be available only if you have paid a fee or have provided certain Account Information.
    6.4 Adobe uses reasonable efforts to make the Services available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. However, there will be occasions when the Service will be interrupted for maintenance, upgrades and repairs, or as a result of failure of telecommunications links and equipment that are beyond our control. Adobe will take reasonable steps to minimize such disruption, to the extent it is within our reasonable control. Certain Services may not be available in all languages.
    6.5 Adobe may modify or discontinue, temporarily or permanently, the Services or Materials, or any portion thereof, with or without notice. You agree that Adobe shall not be liable to you or anyone else if we do so.
    6.6 Payment.
    (a) Subscription Fees. Certain Services require you to purchase a subscription or membership in order to access all or part of such Services. Subscription Fees are non-refundable, except as otherwise stated in specific subscription terms applicable to a Service. Subscription Fees may change at the end of your subscription period. Subscription terms are available athttp://www.adobe.com/go/subscription_terms.
    (b) You are responsible for paying all taxes levied in connection with your use of the Services. Your credit card company or bank may impose on you other fees, such as foreign exchange fees, in connection with your payment of the Subscription Fees,. Your ability to access the Services may require payment of third-party fees (such as telephone toll charges, mobile carrier fees, ISP, data plan, etc.). Adobe has no connection to or responsibility for such fees.
    (c) Collection of Subscription Fee. You agree that, in the event Adobe is unable to collect the Subscription Fees owed by you to Adobe for the Services, Adobe may take the steps it deems necessary to collect such Subscription Fees from you and that you will be responsible for all costs and expenses incurred by Adobe in connection with such collection activity.
    7. Account Information; Personal URL.
    7.1 You agree that your Account Information will always be complete, accurate, and up-to-date. It is your responsibility to keep your account password or log-in credentials confidential at all times and you are solely responsible to Adobe for all activity that occurs via your Account. If you become aware of any unauthorized use of your account or Account Information, or any other breach of security, you agree to notify Adobe by contacting Support athttp://www.adobe.com/go/support_contact. Adobe may require that you change your Account Information or certain parts of your Account Information at any time for any reason. Unless Adobe expressly allows you the right to create and manage Adobe IDs as an account administrator for a company or unless expressly permitted in the Additional Terms, you may not use another person’s Account Information.
    7.2 As part of registering for a Service, Adobe may require you to create a unique URL, such as your_name_here.adobe.com. Such unique URL may be used solely with the Service, only for so long as you maintain a valid account and shall not be used for any other purpose. Adobe may revoke your right to use that URL for any reason deemed appropriate by Adobe in its sole discretion by giving you at least thirty days prior notice of such revocation, except in the event that your URL, or content therein, is determined by Adobe in its sole discretion to contain infringing or illegal content or content that otherwise violates the Terms. In such event, Adobe reserves the right to revoke your right to use your unique URL immediately without notice. Additionally, Adobe owns and retains all right, title, and interest in and to the use of “Adobe,” and other Adobe property in association with a User’s unique URL. Upon termination for any reason, Adobe may permit another User to use the unique URL previously selected by you.
    8. User Conduct.
    8.1 You agree not to access or attempt to access the Services by any means other than the interface provided by Adobe or circumvent any access or use restrictions put into place to prevent certain uses of the Services.
    8.2 You agree not to use, or to encourage or permit others to use, the Services to:
    (a) Make Available any Material that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, tortious, defamatory, libelous, vulgar, obscene, child-pornographic, lewd, profane, invasive of another’s privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable;
    (b) Stalk, intimidate, and/or harass another;
    (c) Incite others to commit violence;
    (d) Harm minors in any way;
    (e) Make Available any Material that you do not have a right to Make Available under any Law or contractual or fiduciary relationship;
    (f) Make Available any Material that infringes any Intellectual Property Right or other proprietary right of any party;
    (g) Impersonate any person or entity, or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity;
    (h) Forge headers or otherwise manipulate identifiers to disguise the origin of any of Materials posted on or transmitted through the Services;
    Use the Services or Materials such that it will mislead a User into believing that they are interacting directly with Adobe or any Service;
    (j) Engage in any chain letters, contests, junk email, pyramid schemes, spamming, surveys, or other duplicative or unsolicited messages (commercial or otherwise);
    (k) Use any Adobe domain name as a pseudonymous return email address;
    (l) Make Available any Material that contains software viruses or any other computer code, files, or programs designed to interrupt, destroy, or limit the functionality of any computer software, hardware, or telecommunications equipment;
    (m) Access or use the Services in any manner that could damage, disable, overburden, or impair any Adobe server or the networks connected to any Adobe server;
    (n) Intentionally or unintentionally interfere with or disrupt the Services or violate any applicable Laws related to the access to or use of the Services, violate any requirements, procedures, policies, or regulations of networks connected to the Services, or engage in any activity prohibited by the Terms;
    (o) Disrupt or interfere with the security of, or otherwise cause harm to, the Services, Materials, systems resources, accounts, passwords, servers, or networks connected to or accessible through the Services or any affiliated or linked sites;
    (p) Disrupt, interfere with, or inhibit any other User from using and enjoying the Services or Materials, or other affiliated or linked sites, Services, or Materials;
    (q) Access or attempt to access any Material that you are not authorized to access or through any means not intentionally made available through the Services;
    (r) Market any goods or services for any business purposes (including advertising and making offers to buy or sell goods or services), unless specifically allowed to do so by Adobe;
    (s) Reproduce, sell, trade, resell or exploit for any commercial purpose, any portion of the Services or any Materials, use of any Service or Materials, or access to any Service or Materials;
    (t) Use any data mining, robots, or similar data gathering and extraction methods in connection with the Services or Materials;
    (u) Host, on a subscription basis or otherwise, the Services without Adobe’s authorization, including any related application, to permit a third party to use the Services to create, transmit, or protect any content, or (ii) to conduct conferences or online meeting services for a third party;
    (v) Defraud, defame, or otherwise violate the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others; or
    (w) Collect or store data about other users in connection with the prohibited conduct and activities set forth in this Section 8.2.
    9. Your Content.
    9.1 Storage. Adobe may provide online storage for Your Content, subject to Section 9.2 below and any Additional Terms that may further define the scope of such storage. Unless otherwise stated in Additional Terms or a separate written agreement between you and Adobe, Adobe has (a) no obligation to store Your Content and (b) no responsibility or liability for the deletion or accuracy of any Materials, including Your Content, the failure to store, transmit, or receive transmission of Materials, or the security, privacy, storage, or transmission of other communications originating with or involving use of the Services.
    9.2 You agree that Adobe retains the right to create reasonable limits on the use of the Materials, including Your Content, such as limits on file size, storage space, processing capacity, and similar limits described in the web pages accompanying the Services and as otherwise determined by Adobe in its sole discretion.
    9.3 You agree that you, not Adobe, are entirely responsible for all of Your Content that you Make Available, whether publicly posted or privately transmitted. You assume all risks associated with use of Your Content, including any reliance on its accuracy, completeness, or usefulness.
    9.4 Settings Related to Use and Access of Your Content.
    (a) Certain Services may enable you to specify the level at which such Services restrict access to Your Content. You are solely responsible for applying the appropriate level of access to Your Content. If you do not choose the access level to apply to your Content, the system may default to its most permissive setting.
    (b) Adobe may allow other Users to comment on Your Shared Content unless you disable the commenting feature.
    (c) Adobe may allow you to import your contacts to the Services. For example, Adobe may provide tools to help you upload email addresses of your contacts. If you provide Adobe your password to retrieve those contacts, Adobe will not store the password after you have uploaded the contact information. In addition, Adobe will not store these email addresses you have uploaded once you have found and connected with your friends.
    9.5 Licenses to Your Content. Adobe requires certain licenses from you with respect to Your Shared Content in order to operate and enable the Services. Accordingly, you grant the licenses to Your Shared Content as follows:
    (a) For Your Shared Content that’s Made Available in a public forum (such as discussion boards or public galleries that may be browsed by anyone with an internet connection, etc.), you grant Adobe a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to adapt, display, distribute, modify, perform, publish, reproduce, translate, and use Your Shared Content for the purpose of operating and improving the Services and enabling your use of the Services. You may revoke the license and terminate Adobe’s rights at any time by making it no longer shared.
    (b) For Your Shared Content that’s Made Available in a public forum or shared privately with other Users of your choosing, you grant other Users a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive, transferrable, and sublicensable license to display, distribute, perform, and reproduce Your Content, subject to Section 10 of these Terms. If you join or participate in a group that allows for sharing of Your Content within the group (such as a “group album”), then you also grant the Users within the group a license to adapt and modify Your Content that you have decided to share with such group. If you do not want to grant other Users these rights, then don’t share Your Content with other Users.
    (c) For Your Content that is shared privately with other Users of your choosing, you grant Adobe a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive, transferrable, and sublicensable, license to distribute, modify, publish, reproduce, translate, and use Your Content for the purpose of operating and improving the Services and enabling your use of the Services. You may revoke this license and terminate Adobe’s rights at any time by removing Your Content from the Service; provided that you agree that Adobe may retain and use copies of Your Content for archival or “backup” purposes and pursuant to Section 15 (Investigations).
    (d) You may also grant Adobe specific or different license pursuant to the Additional Terms.
    9.6 You acknowledge that the Services are automated (e.g., Your Content is uploaded using software tools) and that Adobe personnel will not access, view, or listen to any of Your Content, except as reasonably necessary to perform the Services, including but not limited to the following: (a) respond to support requests; (b) detect, prevent, or otherwise address fraud, security, or technical issues; (c) as deemed necessary or advisable by Adobe in good faith to conform to legal requirements or comply with legal process; or (d) enforce these Terms, including investigation of potential violations hereof, as further described in Section 15 (Investigations).
    9.7 You acknowledge and agree that although Adobe endeavors to provide security measures to protect Your Content (including Your Shared Content that you shared privately), Adobe is not liable for any damages resulting for the disclosure of Your Content.
    10. Shared Content.
    10.1 License to Shared Content. Adobe grants you a worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to distribute, display, download, perform, and reproduce the Shared Content, subject to the restrictions stated in this Section 10. With respect to Shared Content Made Available in a group allowing for content sharing, Adobe also grants you the license to adapt and modify such Shared Content. The license granted in this Section 10.1 is further limited to your personal, internal, and non-commercial purpose only.
    10.2 It is your sole responsibility to determine what limitations, if any, are placed on your Shared Content. Adobe cannot and does not monitor or control what others do with the Shared Content, nor can Adobe prevent them from adding to, modifying, or adapting the Shared Content.
    10.3 You agree that Adobe has no liability of any kind should other Users use, modify, destroy, corrupt, copy, or distribute your Shared Content in violation of the limitations that you may impose on its use.
    10.4 Shared Content may include personal information (such as email addresses) to facilitate your ability to share Your Content. It is your sole responsibility for any and all personal information that you or other Users used and submitted in connection with the Services. You shall comply with all data protection and privacy laws and rules applicable to the personal information of other Users.
    10.5 The Services may allow you to comment on Shared Contents. Comments are not anonymous and may be viewed by other Users. Your comments may be deleted by you, other Users, or Adobe.
    10.6 If you are invited by a user of the Service to participate in shared digital content editing or viewing, and you do not wish to receive email from such User or do not wish to participate, you are required to contact the person who invited you to update, correct, or delete the information they provided about you.
    10.7 In general, even though we might delete an account you hold with us in these types of shared editing or viewing areas, we may continue to retain information regarding your past actions with respect to content reviews or sharing initiated by others.
    10.8 Upon removal of Your Content from the Service or upon making your Shared Content no longer shared, Adobe shall have a reasonable time to cease use, distribution, and/or display of Your Content. However, you acknowledge and agree that Adobe shall have the right but not the obligation to keep archived or “backup” copies of Your Content or use Your Content pursuant to Section 15 (Investigations).
    11. Use of Software.
    11.1 Software made available via the Services or through third-party marketplaces or stores is governed by the terms of the applicable Additional Terms or the license agreement referenced in the Software. If there is any conflict between these Terms and the license agreement provided with such Software, then the license agreement shall take precedence in relation to that Software. If the Software is a pre-release version, then you are not permitted to use or otherwise rely on the Software for any commercial or production purposes, notwithstanding anything to the contrary included within an accompanying license agreement.
    11.2 Adobe may provide mobile and tablet applications through third parties that interact with the Service and Adobe products. You are responsible for obtaining and maintaining any equipment or ancillary services needed to access mobile and tablet applications and you are responsible for all applicable taxes and fees incurred while accessing such applications (such as fees from your mobile carrier, overage charges, etc.)
    11.3 If no license agreement accompanies the Software that is available for download, the download and use of such Software will be governed by the terms of this Section 11.3. Adobe grants you a personal, worldwide, revocable, limited, non-transferable, non-sublicensable, non-assignable, nonexclusive license to use the Software in the manner permitted by the Terms. For clarification, you shall not distribute, lease, rent, sell, or sublicense the Software. You agree that you will not decompile, reverse engineer, or otherwise attempt to discover the source code of the Software. Notwithstanding the foregoing, decompiling the Software is permitted to the extent the laws of the jurisdiction where you are located give you the right to do so to obtain information necessary to render the Software interoperable with other software, provided, however, that you must first request the information from Adobe and Adobe may, in its discretion, either provide such information to you or impose reasonable conditions, including reasonable fees, on use of the Software to ensure that Adobe’s Intellectual Property Rights in the Software are protected. You may not assign (or grant a sublicense of) your rights to use the Software, grant a security interest in or over your rights to use the Software, or otherwise transfer any part of your rights to use the Software. For clarity, your use of the Software is also subject to the disclaimers and limitations in Sections 13 and 14 below and your compliance with the export control provisions of Section 22.
    11.4 The Software may automatically download and install updates from Adobe. These updates are designed to improve, enhance and further develop the Services and may take the form of bug fixes, enhanced functions, new Software modules, and completely new versions. You agree to receive such updates (and permit Adobe to deliver these to you with or without your knowledge) as part of your use of the Services.
    12. Your Warranty, Indemnification Obligation, and Waiver.
    12.1 You represent and warrant that: (a) you own the Intellectual Property Rights, or have obtained all necessary license(s) and permission(s), to use Your Content in keeping with your use in connection with the Services or as otherwise permitted by the Terms; (b) you have the rights necessary to grant the license and sublicenses described in the Terms; (c) you have received consent from any and all persons depicted in Your Content to use Your Content as set forth in the Terms, including distribution, public display, public performance, and reproduction of Your Content; and (d) Your Content does not violate or infringe any intellectual property right or other proprietary right, including right of publicity or privacy, of any person, company or entity, or other third party.
    12.2 You agree to indemnify and hold Adobe and its subsidiaries, affiliates, officers, agents, employees, co-branders or other partners, and licensors harmless from any claim or demand, including reasonable attorneys’ fees, due to or arising out of Your Content, your use of the Services or Materials, your connection to the Services or Materials, your use and access of personal information of other Users, the actions of any member of your group, your access to or use of Sites or the Linked Sites and your connections therewith, any claim that Your Content caused damage to someone else, any dealings between you and anyone else advertising or promoting via the Services or Materials, your violation of the Terms, or your violation of any rights of another, including any Intellectual Property Rights.
    12.3 You acknowledge and agree that by accessing or using the Services or Materials, you may be exposed to Materials (including Shared Group Content) from others that you may consider offensive, indecent, or otherwise objectionable, and agree to accept that risk.
    13. DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTIES.
    YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT, TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW:
    13.1 THE SITE, SERVICES, AND MATERIALS ARE PROVIDED BY ADOBE “AS IS,” WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS, IMPLIED, STATUTORY, OR OTHERWISE, INCLUDING THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF TITLE, NON-INFRINGEMENT, QUIET ENJOYMENT, MERCHANTABILITY, OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. WITHOUT LIMITING THE FOREGOING, ADOBE AND ITS LICENSORS MAKE NO WARRANTY THAT (a) THE SITE, SERVICES OR MATERIALS WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS OR WILL BE CONSTANTLY AVAILABLE, UNINTERRUPTED, TIMELY, SECURE, OR ERROR-FREE; (b) THE RESULTS THAT MAY BE OBTAINED FROM THE USE OF THE SITE, SERVICES, OR MATERIALS WILL BE EFFECTIVE, ACCURATE, OR RELIABLE; (c) THE QUALITY OF THE SITE, SERVICES, OR MATERIALS WILL MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS; OR THAT (d) ANY ERRORS OR DEFECTS IN THE SITE, SERVICES, OR MATERIALS WILL BE CORRECTED. NO ADVICE OR INFORMATION, WHETHER ORAL OR WRITTEN, OBTAINED BY YOU FROM ADOBE OR THROUGH OR FROM USE OF THE SERVICES SHALL CREATE ANY WARRANTY NOT EXPRESSLY STATED IN THE TERMS.
    13.2 ADOBE SPECIFICALLY DISCLAIMS ANY LIABILITY WITH REGARD TO ANY ACTIONS RESULTING FROM YOUR USE OF OR PARTICIPATION IN ANY SERVICES AND YOUR USE OF MATERIALS. ANY MATERIAL DOWNLOADED, MADE AVAILABLE, OR OTHERWISE OBTAINED THROUGH USE OF THE SERVICES IS ACCESSED AT YOUR OWN DISCRETION AND RISK, AND YOU WILL BE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE TO YOUR COMPUTER SYSTEM OR LOSS OF DATA THAT RESULTS FROM THE DOWNLOAD OF ANY SUCH MATERIAL. ADOBE ASSUMES NO LIABILITY FOR ANY COMPUTER VIRUS OR SIMILAR CODE THAT IS DOWNLOADED TO YOUR COMPUTER FROM ANY OF THE SERVICES.
    13.3 ADOBE DOES NOT CONTROL, ENDORSE, OR ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY MATERIALS OR SERVICES OFFERED BY THIRD PARTIES ACCESSIBLE THROUGH LINKED SITES. ADOBE MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES WHATSOEVER ABOUT, AND SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR, ANY SUCH THIRD PARTIES, THEIR MATERIALS OR SERVICES. ANY DEALINGS THAT YOU MAY HAVE WITH SUCH THIRD PARTIES ARE AT YOUR OWN RISK.
    13.4 MANAGERS, HOSTS, PARTICIPANTS, MODERATORS, AND OTHER THIRD PARTIES ARE NOT AUTHORIZED ADOBE SPOKESPERSONS, AND THEIR VIEWS DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THOSE OF ADOBE. TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, ADOBE WILL HAVE NO LIABILITY RELATED TO USER CONTENT ARISING UNDER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS, LIBEL, PRIVACY, PUBLICITY, OBSCENITY, OR OTHER LAWS. ADOBE ALSO DISCLAIMS ALL LIABILITY WITH RESPECT TO THE USE, MISUSE, LOSS, MODIFICATION, OR UNAVAILABILITY OF ANY USER CONTENT.
    13.5 ADOBE WILL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY LOSS THAT YOU MAY INCUR AS A RESULT OF SOMEONE ELSE USING YOUR PASSWORD OR ACCOUNT OR ACCOUNT INFORMATION IN CONNECTION WITH THE SITE OR ANY SERVICES OR MATERIALS, EITHER WITH OR WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE.
    13.6 SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OF CERTAIN WARRANTIES, THE LIMITATION OR EXCLUSION OF IMPLIED WARRANTIES, OR LIMITATIONS ON HOW LONG AN IMPLIED WARRANTY MAY LAST, SO THE ABOVE LIMITATIONS MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU.
    14. Limitation of Liability.
    14.1 IN NO EVENT SHALL ADOBE, ITS OFFICERS, DIRECTORS, EMPLOYEES, PARTNERS, LICENSORS, OR SUPPLIERS BE LIABLE TO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE FOR ANY SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, INDIRECT, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES WHATSOEVER, INCLUDING THOSE RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS, WHETHER OR NOT FORESEEABLE OR IF ADOBE HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES, OR BASED ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, INCLUDING BREACH OF CONTRACT OR WARRANTY, NEGLIGENCE OR OTHER TORTIOUS ACTION, OR ANY OTHER CLAIM ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR USE OF OR ACCESS TO THE SITE, SERVICES OR MATERIALS. NOTHING IN THE TERMS SHALL LIMIT OR EXCLUDE ADOBE’S LIABILITY FOR GROSS NEGLIGENCE OR INTENTIONAL MISCONDUCT OF ADOBE OR ITS EMPLOYEES, OR FOR DEATH OR PERSONAL INJURY.
    14.2 ADOBE’S AGGREGATE LIABILITY AND THAT OF ITS AFFILIATES, LICENSORS, AND SUPPLIERS UNDER OR IN CONNECTION WITH THIS AGREEMENT SHALL BE LIMITED TO US $100 OR THE AGGREGATE AMOUNT PAID BY YOU FOR ACCESS TO THE SERVICE DURING THE THREE-MONTH PERIOD PRECEDING THE EVENT GIVING RISE TO SUCH LIABILITY, WHICHEVER IS LARGER. THIS LIMITATION WILL APPLY EVEN IF ADOBE HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES AND NOTWITHSTANDING ANY FAILURE OF ESSENTIAL PURPOSE OF ANY LIMITED REMEDY.
    14.3 THE LIMITATIONS AND EXCLUSIONS IN THIS SECTION 14 APPLY TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW IN YOUR JURISDICTION. SOME JURISDICTIONS PROHIBIT THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES. ACCORDINGLY, THE LIMITATIONS AND EXCLUSIONS SET FORTH ABOVE MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU.
    15. Investigations.
    15.1 Adobe, in its sole discretion, may (but has no obligation to) monitor or review the Services and Materials at any time. Without limiting the foregoing, Adobe shall have the right, in its sole discretion, to remove any of Your Content for any reason (or no reason), including if it violates the Terms or any Law.
    15.2 Although Adobe does not generally monitor User activity occurring in connection with the Services or Materials, if Adobe becomes aware of any possible violations by you of any provision of the Terms, Adobe reserves the right to investigate such violations, and Adobe may, at its sole discretion, immediately terminate your rights hereunder, including your right to use the Services or Materials, or change, alter, or remove Your Content or Account Information, in whole or in part, without prior notice to you. If, as a result of such investigation, Adobe believes that criminal activity has occurred, Adobe reserves the right to refer the matter to, and to cooperate with, any and all applicable law enforcement authorities. Except to the extent prohibited by applicable Law, Adobe is entitled to retain and/or disclose any information or Materials, including Your Content or Account Information (or elements thereof), in Adobe’s possession in connection with your use of the Services to (a) comply with applicable Law, legal process, or governmental request; (b) enforce the Terms; (c) respond to any claims that Your Content violates the Terms or rights of third parties; (d) respond to your requests for customer services; or (e) protect the rights, property or personal safety of Adobe, its Users, or third parties, including the public at large, as Adobe in its sole discretion believes to be necessary or appropriate.
    16. Feedback.
    You have no obligation to provide Adobe with ideas, suggestions or proposals (“Feedback”). However, if you submit Feedback to Adobe, we may use it for any purpose without compensation to you.
    17. Advertising and Your Content.
    You agree that Adobe may display advertisements adjacent to Your Content, and you agree that you are not entitled to any compensation. The manner, mode, and extent of advertising or other revenue generating models pursued by Adobe on or in conjunction with the Services and/or Your Content are subject to change without specific notice to you.
    18. Links to Other Sites.
    The Services and Materials may include links that will take you websites or services not operated by Adobe. Whether the link was provided by Adobe as a courtesy, or whether it was posted by a User, Adobe has no control over non-Adobe websites or services. You agree that we are not responsible for the availability or contents of any website or service we do not operate.
    19. Termination.
    19.1 Termination by You. You may stop using the Service at any time. You may terminate Adobe’s right to distribute, publicly perform, and publicly display Your Shared Content by making it no longer shared. You may terminate the remainder of Adobe’s rights by removing Your Content from the Service, either by deleting it manually, or by contacting Customer Care to have your subscription cancelled, if applicable, and content deleted. To terminate your Service account contact Support athttp://www.adobe.com/go/support_contact. Any fees paid by you prior to your termination are not refundable. Termination of your account shall not relieve you of any obligation to pay any accrued fees or charges.
    19.2 Termination by Adobe. Subject to Additional Terms for certain Services (such as ones where you pay for access to these Services), Adobe may at any time terminate our agreement with you (or any individual Additional Terms) if:
    (a) You have breached any provision of the Terms (or have acted in a manner that clearly shows you do not intend to, or are unable to, comply with the Terms);
    (b) Adobe is required to do so by Law (for example, where the provision of the Services or Materials to you is, or becomes, unlawful);
    (c) The provision of the Services to you by Adobe is, in Adobe’s opinion, no longer commercially viable;
    (d) Adobe has elected to discontinue the Services or Materials (or any part thereof); or
    (e) There has been an extended period of inactivity in your account.
    19.3 Termination or Suspension of Services. Adobe may also terminate or suspend all or a portion of your account and/or access to the Services for any reason (subject to Additional Terms for certain Services). Except as may be set forth in any Additional Terms applicable to a particular Service, termination of your account may include: (a) removal of access to all offerings within the Services; (b) deletion of Your Content and Account Information, including your personal information, log-in ID and password, and all related information, files, and Materials associated with or inside your account (or any part thereof); and (c) barring of further use of the Services.
    19.4 You agree that all terminations for cause shall be made in Adobe’s sole discretion and that Adobe shall not be liable to you or any third party for any termination of your account (and accompanying deletion of your Account Information), or access to the Services and Materials, including Your Content.
    19.5 Upon expiration or termination of the Terms, you shall promptly discontinue use of the Services and Materials. However, any perpetual licenses you have granted, any of your indemnification obligations hereunder, any of Adobe’s disclaimers or limitations of damages of liabilities hereunder, and Sections 8-10, 12-17, 19, 23, and 24 will survive any termination or expiration of the Terms.
    19.6 Upon termination of your use of the Service by you or by Adobe for any other reason other than for cause, Adobe will make reasonable effort to notify you at least thirty (30) days prior to termination, at the email address you provide Adobe as part of your registration, with instructions on how to retrieve Your Content prior to such termination.
    19.7 Except as otherwise stated in any Additional Terms and applicable subscription terms, in the event of termination by Adobe for reasons other than breach of these Terms, Adobe will provide notice pursuant to the General Terms and will provide you with a pro rata refund for the prepaid and unused portion of the Service.
    20. International Users.
    20.1The Services can be accessed from countries around the world and may contain references to Services and Materials that are not available in your country. These references do not imply that Adobe intends to announce such Services or Materials in your country.
    20.2 These Services are controlled, operated, and administered by Adobe Systems Incorporated from its offices in the United States of America. Adobe makes no representation that the Services or Materials are appropriate or available for use outside of the United States. Adobe reserves the right to block access to the Services or Materials by certain international users. If you access the Services from a location outside the United States, then you are responsible for compliance with all local Laws.
    21. Notification of Copyright Infringement.
    21.1 Adobe respects the Intellectual Property Rights of others and expects its Users to do the same. Adobe will respond to clear notices of copyright infringement consistent with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, Title 17, United States Code, Section 512(c)(2) (“DMCA”) and its response to such notices may include removing or disabling access to the allegedly infringing content, terminating the accounts of repeat infringers, and/or making good-faith attempts to contact the User who posted the content at issue so that he may, where appropriate, make a counter-notification.
    21.2 If you believe that your work has been used or copied in a way that constitutes copyright infringement and such infringement is hosted on the Services, on websites linked to or from the Services, or in connection with the Services or Materials, please provide, pursuant to the DMCA, written notification via regular mail or via fax (not via email or phone) of claimed copyright infringement to Adobe’s Copyright Agent (contact information below), which must contain all of the following elements:
    (a) A physical or electronic signature of the person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the copyright interest that is alleged to have been infringed;
    (b) A description of the copyrighted

    Step by step, how did you arrive at seeing this agreement?

  • Welcome to Verizon Community Forums

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    dslr595148 wrote:
    While I do not know the answer to your question, I can tell what I figured out.
    That link was to point to http://forums.verizon.com/t5/Terms-of-Service-and-User/Verizon-Community-Terms-of-Service/td-p/2
    ^^
    Not sure what link you are referring to. Out of curiosity I pulled up the page source, and the link I'm talking about directs to: http://forums.verizon.com/t5/Terms-of-Service-and-User/Welcome-to-Verizon-Community-Forums/board?boa...
    This appears that the link is supposed to go to the Forum Feedback and Suggestions board, which I already knew about. (Obviously, since this post is on that board.) So it looks like the link just needs to be updated.
    Unfortunately, I was hoping for an alternate route to support and/or a status post.
    If a forum member gives an answer you like, give them the Kudos they deserve. If a member gives you the answer to your question, mark the answer as Accepted Solution so others can see the solution to the problem.
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  • Feedback on Adobe's Term of Use Policy

    Have you ever read the terms of use that you agree with when you install or download something? I'm one of those people who actually go ahead and reads the Terms of Conditions, or Terms of Use before signing anything. Not that it ever matters in most cases, I need the service that I was about to install anyway, but I always like to know what I agree with before I use it. And I’ve been doing it for years with all services that I use.
    I'm a Dutch designer and I use Photoshop, Bridge, Illustrator, Reader X, Flash, Flash Player and Premiere. And after the last time I checked the Terms of Use for the Flash Player I feel I had to contact Adobe and give them some much needed feedback. However, if you wish to know the actual feedback you have to read and agree with the Conditions below… No just kidding, let me start off with a short summary.
    Short sumary
    If you want everyone to use your products please cater your services as simple as possible. That means that you should communicate your service in such a fashion that even those who have little to no experience with legal practices can read your legal documents and understand them.
    This requires that you do the following every time you want a user to agree with your Terms of Use:
    Directly link the user to the right document that they have to agree on, if they have to agree to several documents offer them several links and specifically state that the user agrees with all these documents at the same time.
    List all possible languages that your service communicates with in the same document, that way you are always sure that, no matter what, everyone that you cater your services too can read your legal documents.
    Start every Terms of Use document with a Table of Contents that lists all languages that you communicate in so that the user can easily find to the right language and the right page it is on.
    Start every Language chapter with a title saying what language it is and then provide a table of contents that lists all the sections of the document so that all sections of the document are easilly navigatable.
    Provide a short summary of the entire Terms of Use so that everyone knows what the document will be about and that even laymen who have no experience in reading contracts kan know what they agree with. (Albeit, be it in short terms.)
    Provide a way that your user can contact you or your legal department in case your documents contain spelling errors, or in case the reader has questions about the document or the service that is attached to it.
    And finally, if you insist on sending your users to one central website that lists all your documents, provide a “frequently used documents” section at the top of your website so that your most populair services can be found directly when needed.
    So why do I say these things and why do I think Adobe needs to change his current policy? Let me tell you my full report using the example of Flash Player 12.0.
    Product licenses and terms of use Website
    In my experience Adobe is the absolute king of terrible terms and conditions. Now don’t get me wrong, this isn’t because their Terms are terrible or evil or anything. It’s just because most modern people have at least two Adobe products on their computer at all time and you'd expect Adobe to take a little responsibility because of this. I'm talking about the Flash Player, for YouTube use , and the Adobe Reader, for reading .PDF files. Adobe's products have regular updates that requiring you to accept the terms and conditions every time. So this is rather annoying if you actually read these terms and call me crazy because I always do.
    Allow me to congratulate you if you ever clicked the link that you get when you have to agree with the Terms of Use. My guess is that hardly no-one ever does or obviously no complaint has ever reached Adobe, because the link that it provides is absolutely confusing. It links to this website, http://www.adobe.com/legal/licenses-terms.html and it’s a horror to behold, considering you only want to read the Terms and Coditions of this one service that you really want to use.
    To many scaterred documents
    If you’ve never seen it, the Terms and Conditions website is a large list of .PDF files that you can only access if you have an active internet connection. Now, note how all these files I'm talking about are .PDFs. Meaning that anyone who wants to read the terms and conditions of the Adobe Reader - before opening a .PDF someone sent him - probably has to already own a functional .PDF reader in order to read the terms and conditions. Be it madness, irony or a false assumption, I don’t know, but it’s a funny thought to start off on this website.
    Can't find the right content
    Well, there's that. But imagine you are like me and you want to update your Flash player to the new 12.0 version. You click the Terms of Use link before you tick the "Yes I agree box". You go to the website and then you look at this enormous list of documents. And you realise that there is not just one document that you have to read. You quickly spy there are several documents called “Flash” and only one of them is probably the one called "Flash Player version 12.0". But don’t forget the very important “General Terms of Use” of course. Because next to your Flash Player license you also accept Adobe's General Terms of Use. Now nobody tells you that you have to do this, nor is it written on the website itself, you just have to assume this. Because if you ever actually read a Software Terms of Use document before you know that most of them require you to also accept the General Terms of Use.
    General Terms of Use may aply
    The General Terms is the first document on the website, so that isn't that hard to find.
    It’s this document - http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/legal/licenses-terms/pdf/Ado be_General_Terms_of_Use-en_US-20121016_1205_web%20version.pdf
    And on February the 17th, in 2014 this link downloads a English-only Terms of Use .PDF document that was last updated on October 16, 2012. That's right, it's two years old and English only, so it was written before the United States presidential elections of 2012. Oh and good luck to those abroad co-workers who really like to know what they have to agree with in order to read that necessary .PDF you just sent them.
    But all silliness aside, download it, you open it and you read it and it's an OK terms of use document. Disappointingly enough there is no short summary at the start, so be ready to read all of it. And I mean be ready because this document takes about ten to fifteen minutes to read.
    Not easilly accessable
    Now, back to the main website, and directly notice how it doesn't provide Adobe’s most used Terms of Use documents at the top of this website. Instead one actually has to look up the specific document at the list of licenses below the General Terms of Use. And let me tell you that that is a long list on the main page, so better be smart enough to pop-up the search function or else you'll be straining your eyes to find what you're looking for.
    I looked for the words "Flash Player" and this search function got me six different results called "Flash Player". The first one is hidden under the "downloads" tab of the website - you'll never see it unless you put a little effort into it - a third hit is the same as the second hit and the last hit is the same as the first hit but this time it's a "Download" tab at the bottom of the Website.
    But the first interesting hit is found under the title "Services" and is listed as "Adobe Premium Features for Flash Player", which surprisingly enough links you to an actual website instead of a .PDF file.
    - http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/tou_premium_features_for_flash_player.html
    This takes about seven to ten minutes to read and it's another fairly standard Terms of Use document. Again with no summary at the start of the document and again only in English, and also it probably isn’t necessary to read unless you got the Premium version of Flash Player.
    Terrible to navigate
    The third hit for "Flash Player" is a link just called "Flash Player", in this case listed under “Software Products” and it notes to be version "12". This is probably the most important document for anyone agreeing with the Terms of Use for their new Flash Player. Clicking the link downloads the following PDF file:
    - http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/legal/licenses-terms/pdf/Fla sh%20Player_12.0.pdf
    And if you don't open it in Internet Explore or in Chrome browser, but, let's say for instance in Firefox or just download the document and open it on your desktop, you start at the absolute top of the document. Which is in some form of Arabic... And there is no Table of Content to help you out... And the entire document is enormous and in different languages... And the search term "Nederlands" - that's how Dutch people call their own language, and me being Dutch I’d like to start there - doesn't give any results. Where the search term "English" however has just two results, both in the same sentence of rule no.12 of the English version of the Terms of Use. And not at the top of the actual English language version...
    This is again a fairly standard Terms of Use, but this time there is allot of "you can't use this product under these conditions" language used. Reading this document takes about seven to ten minutes and it also doesn't come with a summary at the start.
    But search a word in your preferred langauge, scroll to the start of the chapter, read it, agree with it in your mind and go back to the main website because there is still one more hit under the search term "Flash Player".
    To many documents with the same name
    The last actual document that is linked is listed under the title "Mobile, runtime, and touch app products" and links to "Adobe Flash Player". Implying that there is a difference between Adobe Flash Player and just Flash Player. And also could start off a lot of confusion if I searched "Adobe Flash Player", instead of just "Flash Player". So this document isn't of any interest to you if you were looking for your Flash Player 12.0 update Terms of Use. But if you happen to open it, prepare yourself for the same problem as the last document. Because it also starts in Arabic, has no table of contents, it gives 4 results of the search term of English in the middle of the English language chapter and again no results for the term “Nederlands”. This document takes about seven to ten minutes to read as well.
    No form of contact
    All in all adding the time it takes me to find and read and agree to ALL documents that are somehow linked to the Flash Player Terms of Use it would costs the average person about an hour to find and read everything. And to me this is allot of effort to know what the hell you are agreeing with when you just want to tick that little box you had presented about an hour ago. And every time my Flash Player, or Acrobat Reader or support tool for one of my Adobe designer Software asks for a update I have to go through this time after time after time again. And I’m assuming that no-one ever does this because else any sensible company would put some effort into changing it.
    So that’s why I have decided to write this three page long document and emailed it to Adobe. Since I figured someone has to be the first. But that is until you discover that Adobe doesn’t have a Customers support email address. Everything that they do that involves Support is directed to their Adobe Community Forums. For which I need a account to access and post to, for which I need to comply with another set of Terms of Use, (10 - 15 minutes of read)
    - https://adobeid-na1.services.adobe.com/renga-idprovider/pages/tos/en_US/ADOBE_MASTER
    And with their “Privacy Policy”, a link that directs you to a preselected language website and offers you another seven to ten minutes of reading material.
    Postface
    In conclusion I’m going to make a final bold assumption here. Because no-one ever bothers to read the Terms of Use, Adobe couldn't be bothered to make these contracts presentable in a user friendly fashion. Instead whenever you want to download a new update, Adobe just offers a link to the main Terms of Use website and hope you just tick the damn “I Agree” box already. And that is just an absolute disgrace for your company’s legal face, especially for a company like Adobe that frequently presents large and serieus Terms of Use Documents to it’s user base and demands them to agree or get out.

    I'm not being a smart alec, but... have you ever had a lengthy conversation with an copyright attorney... about what they do?
    I know two personally. One because we went to school together decades ago, and the other because he is on retainer for a client of mine.
    What you see in the terms of use (End User License Agreement) IS the revised version... I've never seen the FULL thing, but I'd assume it could hold it's own with the Affordable Care Act, in three areas:
    1. The overall number of pages.... necessary or unnecessary.
    2. The amount of sense it would make to the average person.
    3. The number of people in the world who have actually read it.
    I've read nearly all of the license agreements for every product I own from Adobe. Mostly because I have to answer questions about things like Norton, McAfee and Google Chrome being bundled and people say they never agreed to it... Well, by installing anything downloaded from here... they did.
    BTW. You can'T install ANY legal, legitimate software from ANY company at all without agreeing to terms of use.
    Here's where I will be a smart alec... If you have a problem with that... then you need to stop using computers immediately and permanently, or you're going to have a stroke from the self inflicted stress.

  • Community Forum or Farce?  MODERATOR PLEASE READ!

    I've just scanned the headings for the most recent 300 or so threads in this sub-forum, and can find only ONE that has been "Locked" - my own recent "+iTunes a victim of the obesity epidemic+"?
    Your Help documentation states that "+Only the original topic poster has the option to mark replies as either Helpful or Solved ... *the originator* can also end the discussion by marking the topic as "answered+"."
    I did NOT mark the topic "answered" or a reply "Solved". After wasting a lot of time typing a reply to recent posts, only to have it rejected because someone chose to close the thread while I was typing, I eventually discovered that it had been marked "+assumed answered+" by "_a moderator_". (Help doesn't say anything about "+assumed answered+").
    More time spent working out that I can change it back to "unanswered", only to find that that doesn't appear to make any difference - the thread remains locked.
    Can you at least advise why the arbitrary decision? Why just my thread out of at least the most recent 300? Why a thread that minutes earlier had had a reply posted by someone else? Why not even the courtesy of advice or explanation when a current thread gets closed down by some anonymous person?

    Thank you, joshz. I guess Rachel has been too busy to answer for herself, and I will assume that her comments are her own, and that she is not speaking on behalf of Apple.
    Rachel, thanks for your input. What follows is both a reply to your post, and an attempt to address some broader issues that it raises.
    First some background. I have been involved with microcomputers in the PC world, not the Mac world, since the day IBM released the first PC, and long before even the first version of Windows. (For "involved" read "working in the industry".) Until iTunes, I have had very little to do with Apple. That allegiance does not necessarily reflect a product choice - it has been partly through circumstances and career requirements. I have worked for/with large players in the industry (including IBM), and my career has placed me in many roles including moderating user forums and heading technical support departments.
    So while new to these Apple Discussions, I would like to think that I come here with a little knowledge about the industry and its relevant practices, policies and ethics.
    Some of us arguably misguided "PC folk" have long held a sometimes-concealed envy for the Apple world. From the outside, Apple has appeared to stand out as a more liberal and freethinking company/environment than the more formal, old school, mainstream of the industry. It is with genuine regret that my experience on these forums in the last few days has gone a long way towards destroying that perception.
    My impression so far about Apple Discussions includes the opinion that its ranks are broadly made up of four categories of individuals...
    - A very large number of users seeking help, some of which are not afraid to express their frustration about problems encountered (as one would expect in any such forum);
    - A smaller number of users with a wealth of knowledge, and the commendable altruistic trait of offering assistance to others;
    - A smaller subset of the previous category who can be and usually are just as helpful, but that though not directly associated with Apple (as far as we can tell), also bring with them a strange zeal, passion or obsession to defend Apple at all costs and in any situation - not always, IMHO, fairly or impartially. Apple is always right, the customer wrong. They unfortunately (again IMHO) can become quite condescending towards other users who sometimes may deserve it, but often do not. (They can appear to be self-appointed enforcers, but I will refer to them here as the loyalists.)
    - An even smaller number of invisible hosts or moderators, including some that are undoubtedly doing a great job, but others (hopefully a small minority) that give the appearance of also getting carried away with too strict an enforcement or interpretation (often arbitrary) of "the rules" or their intent.
    Rachel, to you and that "someone" that you mentioned who also sought to "set me straight" in my locked thread, I would say that the very "Help and Terms of Use" that you are both fond of quoting can give rise to some interpretations other than your own. (I take comfort in the clause that states, "Views expressed on the Site are not endorsed by Apple".) Here are a few random snippets, which I admit include my opinions - but respect them if you wish me to respect yours.
    - The very first sentence reads... "Apple Discussions is a user-to-user support forum where experts and other Apple product users get together to discuss Apple products." And the name of the facility is Apple Discussions. Sorry, but I object to you and ed2345 trying to suggest that you know what constitutes a valid discussion, but I don't.
    - "A user-to-user support forum" - with due respect, that could imply to some a slightly greater degree of user rights than what appears to be the case, or what you appear to endorse.
    - "Constructive feedback about product features is welcome". Sorry, I thought that that was what my locked post was about.
    One of the problems, in my view, is that some of the users for whom this facility is allegedly provided choose to treat that last quote as reading "+Constructive feedback ... is welcome as long as it does not include any negative remarks, nor attempts in any way to convey dissatisfaction or the suggestion that Apple is anything less than perfect+".
    "Constructive feedback" carries an implication that something can be improved or is lacking. It is difficult for some to validate this without illustrating what is wrong or needs improvement. That task is made even more difficult if there is a bunch of people around waiting to jump on a well-intended contributor because in their view the thin hazy line between describing a problem and complaining about it has been crossed. You believe that "+Complaints are not constructive+". As another poster so aptly put it in another thread in which you also participated, we are left feeling that we must constantly "+walk on eggshells+". (He also suggested that these forums are suppressing free speech.)
    Here is how I am left feeling: There is a surprising degree of paranoia in these forums, and they are conducted in a fashion that implies that criticism cannot be tolerated and dissent must be suppressed. (As a foreigner, I'll refrain from any comparisons to world politics or suggestions of great irony.)
    As surprised as I have been to find this within Apple of all places, I am even more surprised at the degree of patronising defensiveness that appears to motivate some of the "contributions" of a small group of loyalists.
    Time to walk on eggshells, and emphasize that I am attempting to express impressions that are generated here, and in no way am I trying to be "defamatory". My previous reference to Seinfeld's Soup Nazi was meant to be as light-hearted as its source. But my mind is now entertaining some uncomfortable comparisons with the Hitler Youth movement, trained to believe and preach that the leader can do no wrong, and that suggestions to the contrary must be stamped out.
    (Yes, Kryten, I may have again invoked Godwin's Law, which I believe might be your way of saying that you believe that I’ve lost the argument. But I think that the "Fanboys" and "Post Count" segments may equally apply to some of the people that I am talking about.)
    This group of users seems to condone arbitrary constraints on what can be said, and how. But please, people, at least be consistent. And try to teach by example. By all means, preach the sacred Terms of Use when it is appropriate. But one gets the impression that you interpret the TOU to fit your argument at the time. Rachel, you frequently jump in when someone bemoans Apple's lack of involvement here by emphasizing how the TOU clearly state that these are USER forums. Valid point, but in other situations you are just as quick to point out how this facility belongs to Apple, which entitles them to run it as they see fit. You seem to want to have it both ways.
    Then we are so often chastised by the loyalist group for breaking the rules about content. They quote time and again the provision that submissions should be about technical support issues or constructive feedback. But Rachel you give the impression that you can sometimes bend the rule, or that your interpretation of what it means is superior to that of others. I don't complain about your posts in "How to stop Apple spam emails" nor, in "I very disappointed with Apple", your contribution about whether some company is an authorized reseller. I don't believe such posts to be about constructive product feedback or about technical support, but neither do I believe that it is for me to point that out to you.
    Speaking of interpretation, you have called my locked thread "+something of a poll, also prohibited in the Terms of Use, seeking to get others to agree with your complaint+". With respect, that is your opinion and not necessarily factual. My feedback, which you chose to label a complaint, included the wish to find out if users with more experience agreed with my suggestion, or if there was a valid counter-argument. That is a form of seeking replies - the very purpose of the forum. I even asked for "an argument to tell me why I'm wrong", though in retrospect, and knowing what I do now, the choice of the word "argument" was unfortunate as it could lend itself to the wrong interpretation by some. (I meant "argument as in discussion", but I wasn't walking on eggshells at the time.) Loyalist traits aside, I think that to interpret that post only as a complaint and a poll is very narrow and shortsighted. (And please, don't reply that you were merely speculating on how the moderator may have seen it. (S)he can speak for him/herself, and there is a strong implied agreement in your wording.)
    I'd like to make two points about the "Terms of Use". Firstly, in the corporate world just about every "agreement" contains provisions to cover any number of situations so that the first party can optionally rely on them if considered necessary. (The operative word being optionally.) This practice, initiated by lawyers to protect their client in all circumstances, does not in itself mean that all provisions, in their widest possible interpretation, should be strictly implemented or adhered to in every possible situation.
    Secondly, the loyalists are also very fond of telling the rest of us that Apple owns these "user forums" and can therefore do as it sees fit. On the surface that seems valid, but IMHO you are implying an arrogance on the part of the company that does not benefit its image. Here is a counter-opinion: I am sick of suggestions that Apple is "doing us a favour". That's like asking me to bend down and thank the government for providing roads. WE pay for those roads with our taxes, and we pay for the government. And it is *the customer* that pays for all of Apple's (and most other companies’) facilities. I am grateful for the forums (or at least I was when first joining), but it strikes me as patronising to suggest that we should bow and give thanks for "a favour".
    As to the various no doubt well-intended suggestions that I should find other forums in which to post, it seems a little strange to suggest that I should look elsewhere for the best place to discuss or ask about Apple matters. I would like to think that my other posts have been valid and may even have included a small contribution to (what should be) the cause. I am guilty of asking more than I have answered, but didn't all of you start out that way? If the loyalists don't like the way I write, or want me to change my personality before I am accepted in the community, forgive me for feeling that that is your problem, not mine. Apple may have the contentious right to ask me to go elsewhere, but I am not subscribing to an apparent class system of users.
    Only because I'm posting this here, I find it necessary to duck some additional loyalist comeback by stating that this, perhaps the longest post that I've ever written, IS entirely "Feedback about Discussions" (even if I happen to be long-winded). And I won't dwell on someone's arbitrary distinction between feedback and complaint. The original post in this thread concluded with what I believe to be valid questions about the actions of moderators. In spite of reassurances from others that moderators do read all posts in THIS forum, and that this is the place for such questions, I have so far received no answers - just loyalist opinions. That includes Kryten's suggestion that I am "+going on an uncontrolled attack on the people that are tasked to moderate Apple Discussions+". Uncontrolled? By the way, that "attack" was directed not at "the people" in general, but at the actions of a particular moderator. Moreover, any plural use was limited by the phrase "such moderators" - I.e. those that may behave similarly. Though again I plead guilty to two mistakes - I wasn't walking on eggshells, and I broke the golden rule that says that we should not in any way question the behaviour of the company or its representatives.
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