Bullets, Lists, and Hanging Indents

As far as I can tell, the capability I would like does not exist in Pages, but I'll throw it out anyway.
Instead of spending so much time on "automatic" lists, I prefer inserting a number manually (or a bullet) and using manual indentation. Word uses command (or control) -T and the old Word Perfect used F4 (PC). If one is an accomplished typist, I would submit that this is easier and places more control with the author.
Hanging indents are especially difficult. One can indent with the toolbar, but then it takes forever to anchor to the tiny line and then drag it backwards.
It would be helpful to be able to define a shortcut for a bullet or any other custom character, so that one could command-b or something like that.
I've tried command-], but it does not seem to help with hanging indents.
Any suggestions?

Jack,
keyboard shortcuts to assign styles have been discussed some time in this forum. Unfortunately, there's no way to define them in Pages.
Hopefully such an option will be available in Pages 3. Anyway, you could give feedback to Apple.
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