Business System/Business Service

Hi All,
Can anyone let me know what are Business System and Business Service.
Regards,
SP

Hi
Business Service
1) You use a Business Service, when you do not have the System details of the the partner system to which you want to communicate. i.e. you have not configured the partner system in SLD.
2) Business Service is an Absract Unit with Sender and Receiver Interfaces,In this case you need to explicitly add the message interfaces while doing configuration in ID.
3) It is generally used for NON-SAP applications, this is just a general prinicple followed but not mandatory.
4) This is not defined as part of SLD and whose technical parameters are not completely known.
5)Business service is used when the message is not addressed to a business system. It is used mostly in B2B scenarios.
Business systems:
Business systems are logical systems, which function as senders or receivers within PI. Business systems can be SAP systems or third-party systems.
Depending on the associated technical system, the following types of business systems are defined in the SLD:
Web AS ABAP:
A business system, which is associated with a Web AS ABAP.
A business system, which is associated with a Web AS ABAP, can play the role either of an application system or an integration server. An integration server is the central component of PI, which provides a framework for the exchange of information among various internal and external entities of a company. The integration server facilitates the interaction between the different operating systems and applications across internal and external networks.
Web AS Java:
A business system, which is associated with a Web AS Java.
Standalone:
A business system, which is associated with a standalone Java application.
Third-party:
A business system, which is associated with a third-party technical system.
Technical systems:
Technical systems are application systems that are installed in your system landscape. An example of an application system is a Customer Relationship Management (CRM) server. In the SLD, there are five types of technical systems:
Web AS ABAP:
Regard's
Chetan Ahuja

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In Business Service creation, for Adapter Specific Identifiers, the parameter for the Logical System. It is only possible to assign one logical system to one Business Service ?.
i.e. to do
MyBusServ1, Z_LS_1
MyBusServ2, Z_LS_1
is not possible ?
When trying to assign Z_LS_1 to MyBusServ2 I get the error that Z_LS_1 is already assigned. Is there a way to circumvent ?, I do not want to create two logical systems in R/3 as the IDOCS types submitted by the Business Services are the same.
Thanks
Damien

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Sarvesh - The Business service is the sender of the information \ IDOC. If I remove the Adapter specific config then how will XI know what Logical system to apply to the IDOC ?.
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Already used Logical System in Business Service?!

Hi, well i am facing a JMS2IDoc-Scenario.
As sender i configured a Business Service (K15) with the CC_JMS. The receiver is a business system (HRT) with the CC_IDoc.
While i test the scenario i received following error:
"Unable to convert sender service to an ALE logical system"
Thats fine so far, therefore i checked the Adapter-Specific Identifiers and entered the Logical-System name. This is already in use at the business system (HRT) because of some CC for other Scenarios.
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Hi,
The issue is with the fact that this Logical System Name has been assigned to another Business System ( say Buss System X) .And you want to use this same Logical System Name for the sender JMS service( Buss System Y) as well , correct?
Solution is,
In the Receiver Agreement , Select Header Mapping and for the Sender Servicce, select the Correspodning Sender Service ( Sleect Buss System X )to which the Logical System Name is assigned.
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Business Systems and Business Service - does any difference

Hi Experts,
Could any one please guide me what is the difference between
Business Systems
and
Business Service.
Which situations we use Business Systems / Business Service.
Does it have any performance issues?
Why we are not configuring Business service in SLD?
Cheers Experts!!
Sunil

Hi Sunil,
Business System: Address a particular business system as the sender or receiver of messages.
A business system is an actual application system in a system landscape. A business system
(service) comprises information about the inbound and outbound interfaces and the software
component versions of the business system. The business system services are used when
configuring internal company processes.
Business Systems are Logical Senders or Receivers that exchange messages by using the Integration
Server and that are entered in the System Landscape Directory.
The Business Systems in the System Landscape Directory relate to a system landscape.
The Business Systems of business partners are therefore not entered in the System Landscape
Directory. To be able to address such business partners logically, use communication components in
the Integration Directory. A business system is a way of specifying a communication component in the
Integration Directory more precisely (business system component).
Business Service: Address an abstract business entity as the sender or receiver of messages.
Using a business service, you can define the technical or business subunits of the companies
involved and then assign them the relevant interfaces. The business services are used when
configuring cross-company processes.
In the PCK, the Service is of type Business Service. It represents an abstract, addressable unit.
Business services are used in cross-company processes, for example, if the parties involved have only
published their interfaces and not their system landscape, or it is only partly known.
Using a Business Service,we can define the technical or business subunits of the companies involved
and then assign them the relevant interfaces.
It is useful to use Business Services when configuring cross-company processes. Usually, the
interface descriptions of the business partners involved are made publicly available.
Also,There is already lot of thread regarding the same discussion, please see it below.
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Business Service vs Business System in Integration Directory.
Business Service (vs) Business System in Integration Directory.
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Vinod.

Parties, Business Systems and Business Services

Hi guys,
I've read a lot about items in subject, but have some doubts about applying them to my scenario. I have to integrate SAP system and web service.
As far as I understand concepts, this is B2B communication, so I have to use parties. To represent SAP system I use Business System, as it's described ins SLD, and for Web service I use Business Service... just as we use business services for web services
--- Am I right here? Will it work ok in reciever determination, agreement?
Thank you.

Hi,
You are doing the usage of business systems and services in proper way.
The scenario will difinately work with combination of business system and service.
It will be fine for all other configurations such as Receiver Determination, Sender/receiver agreements and interface determination etc.
Please see below the importance of Parties, Business Systems and Business Services
A communication party
A communication party (party for short) represents a larger unit, which is involved in a collaborative process. Using a communication party, you generally address a company within a cross-company process.
You can assign a communication party one or more services to address it as the sender or receiver of messages.
A business system
If you want to address a particular business system as the sender or receiver of messages, choose this service type.
A business system is an actual application system in a system landscape. A business system (service) comprises information about the inbound and outbound interfaces and the software component versions of the business system.
You usually use business system services when configuring internal company processes.
A business service
If you want to address an abstract business entity as the sender or receiver of messages, choose this service type.
Using a business service, you can define the technical or business subunits of the companies involved and then assign them the relevant interfaces.
You usually use business services when configuring cross-company processes. In this case, you only make your interfaces known to the business partners involved and either do not make any details about your own system landscape available, or only specific details.
For example, you can define RosettaNet Partner Interface Processes (PIPs) as business services.
Thanks
Swarup

ALE logical systems for business service or process

Hi,
I am trying to send an IDOC into my R/3 system. It is the same IDOC type that I have sucessfully sent out to parties. All the config is in place for communicating with the system, because I have sent others IDOCs in the past. However, they always were sent from another R/3 business system. They processed sucessfully.
I am now trying to sending IDOC's from a BPM,as well as, from a business service. They are under the "With Party" section of the directory. These obviously do not have logical systems, so when I try to send the IDOC I get
"Unable to convert the sender service Purchase_Orders to an ALE logical system", where purchase_Orders being the name of the business serice.
How can I handle this problem?
Should I hard code values somewhere?
Which ones?
I have read the other posts for the error above, but my situation seems to be different.
Help!
Chris

Hi,
To solve your problem, here my solution:
1/ In your Business Process of your ID (configurator), go to menu "Service > Adapter-specific identifier" and in the part "IDoc Adapter", write your Logical System.
2/ Create this Logical System on your target system (R/3).
WARNING: XI allows you to used a Logical System for only one service (Business Process). Thus, if you are several interfaces, you must used different Logical Systems.
Mickael.

Logical system for business service!!!!!!!!!

Hi all,
I send a file from filesystem to XI which inturn converted to IDOC and posted to SAP system. Filesystem i've added as a business system(which has a logical system in R/3).
now i've added the filesystem as a business service(assinged to a party). So if send the file i'm getting the error as "Unable to convert sender service to an ALE logical system".
How can i resolve this problem?
can we assign the business service a logical system name ?(as business system)
What could be the procedure for processing this kind of b2b scenario where we dont have information about systems or sevices in SLD?
Thanks in advance for your replies........
Santhosh.

Hi just check this Bolg for Help
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/06/28/xipi-faq-frequently-asked-questions
Ques.3
Or refer to this link
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/03/29/xi-error--unable-to-convert-the-sender-service-to-an-ale-logical-system
if u want to learn more bout
How to configure Idoc adapters
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/d19fe210-0d01-0010-4094-a6fba344e098
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Sachin Dhingra
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Business Service and logical system naming criteria across environments

Hi !
Imagine this scenario: File-XI-IDOC. There is a file server where files are uploaded by a legacy application. XI polls that directory, converts the file to IDOC and sends it to R/3.
R/3 is a production business system, for example "R3_PROD", the file server is a business SERVICE, because of its abstract nature.
Is it ok to give that business service a name such as "BS_FileServer" and then create the logical system "LS_FileServer" in R/3, to be able to receive IDOCs from the sender business service?
If we need to use 3 different file servers, one for development, one for test and another for production...is it ok to create the business service in each integration directory with SAME name, and the 3 logical systems with same name in each R/3 receiver...because creating business services as "BS_FileServer_DEV", "BS_FileServer_TEST" and "BS_FileServer_PROD" we imagine that could give us problems when transporting scenarios from dev to test, and from test to prod...because we will need to recreate the whole scenario using the new object denomination.. e.g. a scenario including BS_FileServer_DEV in development is called BS_FileServer_TEST in test..or worse..we could have the BS object transported and as a result we would have a BS_FileServer_DEV object in integration directory of our test environment...
Is this the right path?
Thanks,
Matias.

Hey,
When a technical system is defined for a product / s/w comp version we also enter the parameter for logical system name. If a buisness system is defined for a technical system then it in turns refers to the technical system with buisness system assigned to it.
Itz lyk linkage of PRODUCT -> S/W COM VERSION -> TECHNICAL SYSTEM (LOGICAL SYSTEM) -> BUSINESS SYSTEM
As per file to idoc scenario where BUSINESS SERVICE is used it doesn't refer to technical landscape so there is no question of Business system. With relevance to transports.
With File -XI-Idoc scenario the concept of logical system only comes into picture if we have a integration process also involved in the scenario. Where in adapter specific identifiers we specify the logical system name of the sender file system.
Integration Repository.
1) The Software Component version need to be same in all the landscapes that is a prerequisite else transport will fail.
Integration Directory:
2) Assuming that transport is being done for all the objects under a service and the objects has been transported to the test landscape business service with same name will be create in test sys only address and access parameters that have to be entered again and the change list has to be activated.
I haven't tried exporting individual object from ID so no clue.
Please refer the following link<a href="http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/93/a3a74046033913e10000000a155106/frameset.htm">Transporting XI Objects</a> .
Hope itz helpfull.
Cheers,
*RAJ*
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Business service or Business system??

Hello All,
I do get confused with respect to Business service and Business system?? What differentiates between them and when accordingly are they used??
If I am using a HTTP adapter to connect to a URL address of a 3rd party system, what would be my steps in Intergration directory involve?? I get lost in receiver determinations and interface determinations and their purpose...
Thanks,
Kenneth

Hi Ken,
Basically business service will be used only for published services and not those which have a physical landscape set up. If there is a physical landscape available then we go for business systems.
Receiver determinations talk abt the receivers available for an outbound interface and interface determination tell you abt the interfaces ( both outbound and inbound) in play and their mapping pgm involved.
Hope this was helpful and any add ons are also welcomed.
- Teresa

Business service and business system

Can someone please tell me what is the difference between business service and business system and in which cases are they used respectively?

Hi,
Business System
Business System have an entry in the SLD and Buiness Service do not.
Business Systems are used when you are sending data to and from an R3 system and can be of ABAP, JAVA and Third Party Types.
Business System is a logical representation of a Technical System.
Business Service :
Business Service is a abstract representation of a System. For instance, www.google.com have a several system working together and IPs of this machines change eventually. When we use a Business Services like google we reference a computer that we don't know the phisical implementation.
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Satya

Business Service -- Business System

Hi all,
I've read several tutorials about scenarios in XI and have seen that sometimes business services are used and in some cases they use business systems to implement a communication partner. When do I use business services and when do I use business systems?
Thanks in advance and regards,
Marc

Hi Marc,
You use a Business Service, when you do not have the System details of the the partner system to which you want to communicate. i.e. you have not configured the partner system in SLD.
Business System is always configured in SLD and you use it when you have all the data you need to connect to the partner system
Michal: correct me if I am wrong.
Regards,
Padmaja

Business service is not working in sender side but business system is working soap to idoc but why like that

i have scenario SOAP to IDOC
when i'm using business service in sender side it is getting an error as follows
sender message can not convert to ALE Logical system
in this i'm using altova spy as testing tool
my sender interface is asynchronous
but when i'm using business system everything is working fine
In sender side i'm using soap adapter,i checked the logical system everything is fine
mainly the problem is why it is working when i'm using business system rather than business service
my pi version is pi 7.0
thanks in advance
regards
satish

Hi Satish,
You are sending IDOC's to SAP system right. we should create Business system not business service.
so we should create the business system as web AS ABAP in SLD and import the same in ID.
When we create the business system in SLD the logical system name is assigned for the business system. like SAPCLNT100...It plays a key role in IDOC scenarios.
sender message can not convert to ALE Logical system
Reasons for this issue is
1) logical system name is unable to read from SLD for that corresponding business system.
Goto business system click on Adapter specific identifiers from the menu --> read from SLD.
it will automatically fetch the logical system name from the SLD.
2) Sometimes the logical system name will be deleted from the business system in SLD.
Delete the business system and re-create it, and follow the above procedure.it will resolve your issue.
Regards
Bhargava Krishna

Business Service (vs) Business System in Integration Directory.

Hi to all,
I want to know the best practice for using Business Service and Business System, Then
When we should go for Business Service instead of Business System in Integration directory? Can any one give me suggestion for me .
Thanks,
Vikram.C.

Hi Vikram,
>>Business System: It represent a specific application System in the SLD.
Business Service: It represents an abstract service and are used in Cross Company Process.
>>When we should go for Business Service instead of Business System in Integration directory?
Its purely used in the Cross Company Process, i.e. whenever you are communicating with external system.
regards

What is the difference between Business System and Business Service?

Hi
Please tell me what is the difference between Business System and Business Service...? In real time at what situation we will use Business System and in what situations we will use Business Service..? Please help me
Best Regards
Ravi Shankar B

HI,
Business system:
If you want to address a particular business system as the sender or receiver of messages, choose this service type.
A business system is an actual application system in a system landscape. A business system (service) comprises information about the inbound and outbound interfaces and the software component versions of the business system.
You usually use business system services when configuring internal company processes.
Business Service:
If you want to address an abstract business entity as the sender or receiver of messages, choose this service type.
Using a business service, you can define the technical or business subunits of the companies involved and then assign them the relevant interfaces.
You usually use business services when configuring cross-company processes. In this case, you only make your interfaces known to the business partners involved and either do not make any details about your own system landscape available, or only specific details.
For example, you can define RosettaNet Partner Interface Processes (PIPs) as business services.
Regards,
Sudheer.

How to covert business system to business service

I have, for example, business system (BSys1) in inegration directory and some scenarios that use BSys1...
and now i need BSys1 to be business service (BServ1). Is it possible?

Hi,
You can transport the Same BS and Associated TS to QTY Server Itself.
So wats the prob now???
Check this
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/9e76e511-0d01-0010-5c9d-9f768d644808
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Seshagiri

Should i use Business system or Business service for a 3rd party file sys?

Hi Gurus
My requirement is to send a file from 3rd party client system to SAP ECC system.
I want to confugure a file sender CC to pickup the file and send it to ECC system thru proxy.
Now, after going thru the SAP definitions of 3rd party Business system (if the system is present the landscape and technical details are available) and Business service (if system's technical details is not available because it is not present in the landscape. Only the interface details are available, for ex: external webservice), i am not sure which one to use.
What is the use of using a 3rd Business system instead of using business service in my current situation?
In both the cases, i can use a file sender CC and pickup the file from a folder using FTP protocol.
What is the criteria based on which i need to take this decision?
And finally, how are the system name & host name details, which we given during 3rd party technical system definition in SLD useful?
Many Thanks
Chandra

Hi Chandra
Its always preferred to use Business service for communication with systems outside the landscape. As it does not refer to any SLD components and safe to use on internet etc.
What is the use of using a 3rd Business system instead of using business service in my current situation?
If you want to use 3rd party system you need to define party based communication and it acts as a party in production environment. You can also create a Standalone sytem in SLD for your use. Standalone technical system mostly refers to standalone Java applications in landscape.
n both the cases, i can use a file sender CC and pickup the file from a folder using FTP protocol.
What is the criteria based on which i need to take this decision?
If your communication is party based and the 3rd party you refer is a party for ERP then it make sense to use a third party communication and use party name as well.By this i mean business wise. Else its always good to use Business service.
And finally, how are the system name & host name details, which we given during 3rd party technical system definition in SLD useful?
To use this third party system you need to register products on TS else you will not be able to see any Interface etc while configuring in ID. you need to add all details to it in SLD.
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