Camera Calibration settings????

When I am in develop mode,and I scroll down to camera calibration tab,I usally leave it set to Abode Standard.
If I change this setting to ...Camera Standard,,I see that the hitogram changes slightly ,and the image appears sharper,with a slight increase in saturation.
Can I assume that Lightroom can detect my camera{Canon 5DII } settings,and, am I getting an assigned profile?? specically for my 5DII?
Any help/advise would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Mike

mikek244 wrote:
...Unbelievable,I never know this setting existed..Time to spend more time on this forum...
Mike,
I've suggested Adobe put Camera Profile at the top of the right-hand develop panel - as a non-collapsible ever-present setting, since its so important and frequently missed. Even after years of experience I occasionally spend several minutes editing before I realize the Camera Calibration profile is not what I want, and then start over...
In any case, I definitely think a learning resource is a good idea when first starting out. Not everything in Lightroom is obvious...
The forum is great, but also consider a book or web resource if you are really green - and dont forget Lightroom Help.
Rob

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Ed,
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Roxie380 wrote:
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Thanks
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