Camera calibration 'V4' profiles Nikon D700

Hello, I have a question about the camera calibration panel. I'm using a Nikon D700. In the profile list of the camera calibration panel I'm seeing for example 'Camera Standard' but also 'Camera Standard V4'. I'm confused about which one to use the best. Because if the 'Camera Standard V4' is a newer version, why is the 'Camera Standard' profile also still there?

Any profile that is listed is there to be used. It's up to your personal taste and your shooting style to determine which profile is "best". I don't have that camera and I don't have different versions of profiles. It would be reasonable to assume that a version 4 would be improved. That sometimes happens with new cameras. But the only way to determine which is going to be the best for your images is to try them both and decide. There is no right or wrong profile to use. The right profile to use is the one that gives you the best results.

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Camera Calibration - which Profile to use?

This is a spin out of another thread in the forum - How do I avoid magenta discolouring?.
I am using a Lr 5.7.1 on OS X Mavericks (10.9.5) and photos from 3 cameras - Nikon D600, Nikon D40, and Canon 450D - they all exhibit a very similar behaviour with RAW files described below, but it much more noticeable with the Nikons and very noticeable with the D600. I have been using Lr since version 3 (I think but I might have started with version 2, I cannot remember).
By default I have always imported my RAW files leaving the profile under Camera Calibrations as Adobe Standard. I have been moderately unhappy with the results I was seeing in Lr, not with all the images but with quite a few of them; in a nutshell they don't as I envision them and they don't look the way they look in camera. With "the way the look in camera" I mean inspecting the histograms and clipping warnings.
I am fully ware that Lr does not read the picture control settings of any camera, my Nikons have always being set to Standard.
Below are 2 screenshots from a photo taken with the D600.
1) Histogram with Adobe Standard profile
2) After and before view, left "Adobe Standard" right "Camera Standard"
There are 2 different images, the histogram is changed, the greens are render differently. I also know which one I'll pick for further work, the right image, the one with Camera Standard as the profile.
Back to the question for this post: Camera Calibration, which Profile to use? (and why?)

ssprengel wrote:
Which profile to use is a matter of personal taste, so why does it matter what other people use?
I am not sure I would agree with this statement without making some important qualifications.
Camera profiles can be used for creative purposes, no disagreement there. However, I don't think this is the sole purpose of camera calibration and camera profile, isn't it? Jeff Schewe, who sometimes contributes to this forum, wrote in The Digital Negative "The profiles are designed to calibrate a particular camera model's particular colour rendering intent [...]. It's entirely possible that your particular camera might be a bit different from the one they profiled, so you might be able to make a customer profile for your camera that would produce a more accurate rending than what comes with Lightroom and Camera Raw"; the quote is taken from his section on Lightroom Camera Calibration and leads to conclude that the purpose of camera profiles is also to reproduce the colour rendering intent of camera.
My point on the original post is that it seems that Camera Standard, with both my Nikons set to "Standard" picture controls, seems to better reproduce the colour rendering intent of both cameras, specially if greens are involved. All I am looking for is advice regarding best practice. This is absolutely non trivial from my point of view, best practice is not a matter of personal taste as I am sure you know. Insisting that default settings are best practice, I am not saying you are saying this, is not helpful.
ssprengel wrote:
As to your question about making Camera Standard the default profile, you do it the same as customizing any other LR default: by selecting an unedited photo, setting Camera Standard as its profile, then on the keyboard use Alt - Set Default… (the button was Reset before pressing Alt) then confirm that you want to update the LR defaults to the current settings.
This is correct.
ssprengel wrote:
I am not sure how to find photos with a particular camera profile but perhaps one of the filters in Library can do that, or a smart collection query. I don’t have LR in front of me right now to try things, myself.
I don't think this possible. I cannot find a way to do it with smart collections or the filter library. I'll keep experimenting.

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you are kind to suggest this but why is there no one at Adobe to just answer my questions? This is not something for some amateur to give me advice on -- I want the programmers and inventors of the actual program and updates to tell me so I get the right answer in one place. I have now had four emails from someone at Adobe and none of them even apologize for not answering.
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New Nikon D3, D300, and D700 "Camera" v3 beta profiles

Hi everyone,
I have posted a zip file containing updated "Camera" color profiles (Camera Standard, Camera Neutral, etc.) for the Nikon D3, Nikon D300, and Nikon D700. The zip file contains a copy of the readme, but I'll post it here for convenience, too:
For lack of a better name, I am calling these "v3" beta profiles.
BETA RELEASE NOTES
Overview
These updated Camera v3 beta profiles for the Nikon D3, Nikon D300, and Nikon D700 are designed to reduce banding and highlight color artifacts. They also address the "too bright" tone curve issues with the previous "v2" version of the D3 and D700 profiles.
IMPORTANT NOTE: When using these v3 beta profiles, if you wish to match the default tonality of Nikon's Picture Controls (e.g., match View NX / Capture NX), you must set the Exposure slider in Camera Raw / Lightroom to -0.5.
Of course, feel free to adjust Exposure to make your image brighter or darker as you like. But in terms of matching Nikon's default tonality, you must set the Exposure slider to -0.5, or the default will be too bright.
For workflow convenience, you can use presets in Camera Raw / Lightroom to take care of both (e.g., simultaneously set the profile to "Camera Standard" and set Exposure to -0.5).
Installation
If you are on Mac OS X, drag the "Camera v3 beta" folder to:
    /Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles
If you are on Windows XP, drag the "Camera v3 beta" folder to:
    C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles
If you are on Windows Vista or Windows 7, drag the "Camera v3 beta" folder to:
    C:\ProgramData\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles
Note that the above path on Windows Vista and Windows 7 may be hidden by default. Check your folder settings.
Feedback
The profiles are currently in beta status. Please provide feedback via the online Adobe user-to-user forums here:
http://forums.adobe.com/community/cameraraw
http://forums.adobe.com/community/lightroom
Thank you!

Vit Novak wrote:
It's because ACR assumes that exposure slider at 0 actually means exposure correction of +0.5 EV for this camera model, so with expsure slider at 0, upper 0.5 EV of histogram is clipped
If this bothers you, there is a workaround - convert NEF to DNG, then change BaselineExposure tag in a dng from 0.5 to 0. There are several utilities for this
Or wait for some future version of ACR where this will be solved
The BaselineExposure used by the DNG spec and ACR can complicate ETTR exposure. A uniformly lit surface, when exposed as determined by the standard ISO light meter, should result in 0.18/sqrt(2) or 12.7% saturation of the sensor according to the ISO 12232 saturation standard. This is the standard used by DXO and it allows 0.5 EV highlight headroom. For ETTR exposure, no (or minimum) headroom is desired and mid-gray (18% reflection) is 2.5 stops below 100%.
For example, I exposed a gray card according to the camera light meter reading with the Nikon D3. The resulting 12 bit data number was 497 and the saturation is 497/4095 = 12.1 % saturation, which is very close to the expected value of 12.7%, confirming that the light meter and sensor are properly calibrated. The corresponding pixel value in 8 bit sRGB is 99.8 as shown.
The raw file can be rendered into sRGB with in camera processing or Nikon NX2, which closely approximates in camera processing. With the Standard Picture Control, the camera sRGB value is 150. This is a hot tone curve and the a highlight with 100% reflectance would be clipped. The table below shows the results with ACR and various presets. If one uses the Adobe Standard camera profile, the sRGB value is 162 rather than the expected 99.8 Other combinations are shown. To get the proper value for mid-gray one must use a linear tone curve (sliders on main tab set to zero and a linear point curve) and an exposure correction of -0.5 EV to compensate for the +0.5 EV BaselineExposure. With no exposure correction and a linear TRC, the sRGB value would be 116, very close to the calculated sRGB value of 117 for mid-gray (18%). However, the linear TRC gives a flat appearing image.
The take home point is that if you use Adobe Standard with no exposure compensation with ETTR, your images will appear overexposed and lead to cutting back on the camera expoure. The raw file highlights will have values well under sensor saturation.

Missing camera calibration profiles (Nikon P7700)

Until recently I've been able to apply a choice of camera calibration profiles (e.g. Camera Landscape, Camera Portrait etc.) in the Develop Module to images taken with my Nikon Coolpix P7700. However, these have now vanished, and I'm only left with the option of Adobe Standard. When I view photos that I previously applied the missing presets to, I see the old preset (e.g. Camera Landscape) briefly in the Camera Calibration Profile setting in the Develop Module, but then it changes to Adobe Standard.
I think what caused this change was an upgrade to OS X 10.5.8. I haven't changed LR recently, and have been using LR 4.4. It's currently using Camera Raw 7.4; I haven't updated Camera Raw separately, although it may have been updated by OS X? I've tried upgrading to LR5.2 to see if this will fix the problem, but it doesn't.
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Thanks for that Geoff.
Apologies: I did mean upgrading the OS to 10.8.5, not 10.5.8! I wasn't sure whether ACR was affected by OS X upgrades. And I am viewing RAW files.
If LR has ACR built in, do you know whether it uses the files at Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles/Camera/ or does it get the profiles from elsewhere? Something's changed the profiles LR reads on my computer, but if it's not OS X, and since it wasn't an LR upgrade that triggered the change, then I'm stumped as to what's caused this!
If LR does use profiles at the directory above, then presumably installing new profiles there (in ~/Library/) will override the built-in ACR files?
Thanks for your help.

Lightroom 4.3 is applying the wrong Camera Calibration profile Nikon D600

Running Lightroom 4.3 on my Mac, I have my D600 set to shoot using "Camera Neutral" profile. However, upon import into LR, for some reason, it changes to "Adobe Standard" profile. I can change it to camera neutral, but it's a pain. Any other users experiencing this?

The camera settings, other than White-Balance, are ignored by Lightroom since it does its down conversions with its own settings and doesn’t really have any way of duplicating what Nikon does since they are distinct corporations, each with their own intellectual property not shared with outsiders, so it’s best not to even bother with camera settings if you are going to be using Lightroom and learn what the Lightroom settings mean, instead.
As already stated, Adobe doesn’t really know what Nikon means by the in-camera Camera Neutral, but it has reverse-engineered something somewhat analogous that is also called Camera Neutral in the LR’s Camera Calibration section.
If you always want Camera Neutral as your starting point for LR adjustments, then set it as the new default by importing a new image with all the LR-default settings, change the Camera Calibration area’s Profile to Camera Neutral, then Press and Hold the Alt/Option key and click the Set Defaults button.
You can also make a Develop Preset that sets whatever profile you want and apply it to either the selected set of images or to all images in a particular Import.

New Nikon D3 and D700 "Camera" v2 beta profiles

Over in the Camera Raw forums, I have posted a zip file containing updated "Camera" color profiles (Camera Standard, Camera Neutral, etc.) for the Nikon D3 and Nikon D700, along with some release notes. That thread is here:
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/602274

Here are some sample pics, as requested, processed with Camera Standard original and V2. They show the more contrasty highlight rendering. Switching to "linear" tone curve doesn't quite tone the highlights down enough.
I noticed the steeper tone curve in the V2 profile seems to result in somewhat more desaturated colors too. I tried to show this in the 3rd image, but may be hard to tell. It it as if you took an image in Photoshop and added a slighty S-curve, but only on the luminosity channel (e.g. make adjustment curves layer, set blending mode -> luminosity).

Does LR3 include new Nikon D700/D3 Camera Profiles?

A few months ago, Adobe released some new "beta" camera profiles for the Nikon D700/D3. Are these profiles included in LR3? If so, do I have to do anything to get my photos to use them?

Mark,
I cannot give you a definitive answer to your question, but I can tell you what file-dates the different D3/D700 profiles have:
Older Profiles:         31.10.2008
Beta-Profiles:          06.03.2010
ARC 6.1/LR 3.0:     21.05.2010
So my guess would be that the beta changes have been included. If they will be used automatically on already imported photos after installing LR 3.0 you would have to test, since the profile names are different. On new imports, they'll be used automatically.
Maybe somebody from Adobe (Eric?) can confirm this.
Beat Gossweiler
Switzerland

Missing Camera Calibration Profiles in Lightroom Creative Cloud

I am missing the ADOBE SUPPLIED Nikon D700 and Olympus OM-D E-M5 camera calibration profiles in Lightroom. They were there until I had to reload the apps from CC. I looked in the forums already and haven't found any answer. I have tried to get support from Adobe through Chat and the person there had no clue what I was asking.
I found this answer on a similar question but it does not explain why the Adobe-supplied profiles are missing. To be clear, I am not talking about custom profiles.
"If you are asking about Adobe-supplied profiles, they will be installed every time you update the software so there’s no need to copy them, anywhere, and the reason for not seeing them would be that the current photo is not a raw file since most profiles are only for raw not jpg."
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Camera Calibration Profiles do not show in Develop Module LR5 / Windows 7

I have selected three specific camera profiles (Nikon D300, Nikon D700 and Canon G12) and placed them into:
c:\Users\{me}\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles\{Nikon D800}
I restarted Lightroom 5 and viewed a RAW photo (not jpg or tif).
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DdeGannes wrote:
It is possible to have third party software providers create profiles for your camera that simulate other camera profiles. I have had that done for my Olympus E520 and E300 cameras so that I have dozens of option available.
Yes (to a degree). You can build your own custom DNG camera profiles, that's a good first start. Then you could edit them using the free DNG Profile Editor from Adobe. I'd start with custom profiles for each camera and see if that produces an acceptable match among them.
This may help too:
In this 30 minute video, we’ll look into the creation and use of DNG camera profiles in three raw converters. The video covers:
What are DNG camera profiles, how do they differ from ICC camera profiles.
Misconceptions about DNG camera profiles.
Just when, and why do you need to build custom DNG camera profiles?
How to build custom DNG camera profiles using the X-rite Passport software.
The role of various illuminants on camera sensors and DNG camera profiles.
Dual Illuminant DNG camera profiles.
Examples of usage of DNG camera profiles in Lightroom, ACR, and Iridient Developer.
Low Rez (YouTube):
http://youtu.be/_fikTm8XIt4
High Rez (download):
http://www.digitaldog.net/files/DNG%20Camera%20profile%20video.mov

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I shoot on my Nikon D700 in "RAW + FINE" mode, which means that for each picture the camera records two images: a RAW file, as well as a high-resolution JPG file.
As is well known, RAW files often look washed out, since they don't have any of the extra saturation and sharpening settings applied that the camera automatically applies to JPGs.
Camera Calibration / Camera Profiles is supposed to solve this problem by applying some of those standard JPG enhancements to RAW files. However, no matter which Camera Profile I choose (there are about 10 different ones shown in the Lightroom dropdown), none of them look like the JPG. The "Camera Neutral" profile comes the closest. But even this profile makes the RAW image look less saturated than the corresponding JPG.
How can I reproduce the JPG look EXACTLY? The Camera Profiles give me an approximation at best, but it still does not come close to the JPG look.

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Camera Calibration / Camera Profiles is supposed to solve this problem by applying some of those standard JPG enhancements to RAW files.
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Camera Raw does not and cannot not know what settings you had in your camera that affect the JPG ... things like high contrast, high saturation, etc.
How can I reproduce the JPG look EXACTLY? The Camera Profiles give me an approximation at best, but it still does not come close to the JPG look.
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If you want that JPG look, use your JPGs. It's a lot simpler and faster.

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Why would 'auto white balance' no longer work just because I change the profile from 'adobe standard' to 'camera standard'?
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Works as expected here...
Which Lr version and what OS??

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Color artifacts with A7s and A6000 files using Camera calibration profiles

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Below are some examples without any adjustment, the only difference is the choice of camera calibration profile:
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Adobe Standard:
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The legacy ACR X.x profiles are no more produced nor included for newer cameras (AFAIK, since ACR 5.1/LR 2.1). The Adobe Standard is the new default starting point for these.
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