Capturing 24p from XL2

Hello folks,
I have some tapes that were shot on a canon xl2 in 24p mode. i assumed initially that i would need to capture using the advanced pulldown. when i did this the footage came in still at 29.97. just to see what happened i also captured using the dv/ntsc 24 fps method, and the footage comes in at 24 but i'm scared that its not really doing it correctly. i've read a couple things that seem conflicting; one says you capture at 29.97 and render in a 24 timeline and then you're okay, i've also been told the 29.97 isnt really 24p and that i'm better off just using it at 29.97, which sounds dumb to me.
has anyone got some experience with this particular deal and could offer some input? thanks. so its clear also, this footage is not so much for the image, the camera was used to plug into an audio board for a concert so its image is less important than making sure playback is exact for the audio.
thanks

ive never done this, so just to clarify i'll look for repeated frames and then count the pattern, right?
could i also just quickly apply the reverse telecine for each option to the footage and then scroll through them after they're done to see which looks better? it seems easier than counting the repeated frames, plus at this point i'm not sure which option applies to which cadence....though i'm sure i could find it online somewhere. thanks for your help.

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Hi everyone, just looking for some help here. I should have known better abotu all this 24p stuff but want to make sure I get it right. K, I shot some footage on my XL2 at 24p and 2:3. Isn't 2:3:3:2 or Advanced mode only for if you shoot something that you are going to transfer to film. If you weren't to transfer would it have any benefits in the digital world???
Anyways, as for me, I just shot 24p standard. I capture as just DV NTSC 48 KHZ. However, I never thought of going through the easy setup and saw there was a 24p setting. However doesn't that one still just capture at 29.97. Anyways, so my timeline is set at 29.97, is this right or should it be at 24/23.98.
Also, can anyone tell me if a guy should ever play around with the feild dominance stuff. I have never but was just wondering if someone can shed a bit of light on that. Thanks.
Nathan

24p (3:2) already HAS a pulldown on it. Pulldown refers to the process of adding frames by pulling down half the field of one frame and other half of fields from the next frame adding a NEW frame. So, just to keep you straight... you need to REMOVE the pulldown, cadence or pulldown cadence (all the same.)
WARNING... 1) don't attempt if you are short of time 2) have the fear of failing 3) don't have your original material 4) don't have a FULL case of beer 5) NEED this project done right! 6) any number of things I forgot!!
SO... if you've already edited some of this there is no good way to convert what is already edited into a 23.98 sequence. So you'd have to start again.
IF you choose to proceed...
Copy and duplicate all of the material you captured just incase you mess something up.
Open Cinema Tools
Cancel out of the first (database) dialog box
File - Open... first clip
This will open a box with your video in it. Toggle thru the video. You'll see PPCCP (progressive/combined (combined frames will look interlaced)) for every 5 frames. The first C-frame is the BC combination of fields. You'll need to park your playhead on the first of the two C-frames in a group. Then, when you reverse telecine you'll mark the BC option and hit go.
Try it once and see if it works for you. You'll get the new movie open and as you frame thru each frame you shouldn't see any C-frames... they will all be progressive.
Now... open a new FCP project and import those reverse-telecined clips and start editing in 23.98 timeline/sequence.
If you ran into a problem, just duplicate the original clip back again and try again. I may have missed an important step... doing it off the top of my head.
As for shooting 24pA now... well... as I stated before... this can be less stable. The cadence is harder to add for the camera and any ANY oddity in shooting will throw off the cadence and give you a HUGE headache trying to capture it.
Don't EVER turn off your camera while recording
Don't EVER review your material and then continue shooting
Don't EVER change any setup on your camera at ANY time that might switch it to 24p even for a second
Don't EVER take the tape out.
That said you shouldn't have any problems!! Use the DV/NTSC 2:3:3:2 Cadence Removal preset for capture and your clips will indeed be 23.98 in the browser.
Good luck... don't panic.
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#23 Differences between 24p and 24pA
Shane's Stock Answer #23
Quoting Ken Stone's site found at:
http://www.kenstone.net/fcphomepage/24p_in_FCPnattress.html
24p Normal
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To use 24p Advanced and gain all it’s advantages, you should know that you cannot edit it as is (as this would leave it’s jerky looking pulldown intact), but you must first remove it’s pulldown. Final Cut Pro will do this for you, leaving you with the 24p footage without any of the extra “padding” fields that are added to make it’s frame rate 29.97fps. Now that your footage is 23.98fps, it must be edited on a 23.98fps timeline, and this can cause problems if you, for instance, want to include other footage, B-Roll, or stock footage, that comes from a different source. However, once you have your finished edit at 23.98fps, you can make a 24p DVD, which will allow you to compress your MPEG2 less than if you were making a normal 29.97fps NTSC DVD, and hence attain higher picture quality. Similarly, if you’re making a web movie, you will find it easier to get a higher quality result from 23.98fps media than normal NTSC media. 23.98fps movies are also easier to take out to film that 29.97fps movies.
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Again, my capture setting are for "DV NTSC 48 kHz Advanced (2:3:3:2) Pulldown Removal". Does "pulldown removal" in fact mean that it is capturing at 29.97?
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