Capturing as DV/DVCPRO Or Apple Prores HQ

Ok, so I have a hundreds of BETACAM SP tapes that need to be digitized (this is for work). I found a post-production house that can do it at a good price, the man I spoke with there told me the following:
"Our system captures to Quicktime DV/DVCPRO - NTSC, 720 x 480, with 48k 16bit Stereo Audio .
The files will be approximately 15GIG for (1) one hour of material."
Now I spoke with my boss and he wants the footage to be captured to Apple Prores HQ instead (I assume he means Apple Prores HQ 422 NTSC). Is there a major advantage to doing so? If it takes up more hard drive space, that shouldn't be a big problem (unless we're talking WAY more hd space), but our main concern is quality. Is there a big difference in terms of quality between DV/DVCPRO NTSC at 720x480 and Apple Prores HQ at 720x480?
The footage will be used online (probably exported as h264 once edited) but down the line it could be used for broadcast as well.
Thanks
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Je viens de regarder ta manipulation, chose que j'avais plus ou moins déjà aperçu.
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I use ProRes all the time as well, but I have Final Cut Studio on my workstations.
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