Classic on a Intel Mac

At the moment only garbage freeware and shareware emulators exist. Does anyone know when a commercial Classic solution will be around? Until one comes, I will remain using a PPC Mac. I just have WAY WAY WAY to many Mac OS 7.x-9.x apps to move.
Many of these apps never have and never will be upgraded again. I must run them, as I have no OSX replacements, and in many cases cannot afford an upgrade (Photoshop is one example).
Thanks,
John

I was going to mention the joy of backwards compatability that PC owners enjoy but I thought one more item and I'll start to sound like a raving lunatic. Perhaps too late.
"Geez, check out the poor Classic dweeb." they'll say.
"Rave on!" I say.
My work is forcing me into a corner however. I'm getting DVD-Rs from clients that my old beast can't even recognize. Buy a new DVD-ROM? I did... drivers only for OS 10. Now I may not even be able to use the system DVD if I do upgrade.
For me buying that first Mac was partly a form of protest but mostly it was fear of being out of step and incompatible with the Graphic Design industry. Now I work for agencies that can't open my files because they're running Lotus or something. But I still don't want to give up on the Mac!
I don't think we're alone in our dilema. I've got hungry mouths to feed. A new computer is a major investment for me. I want to invest in something that will last (like a Mac) and not have to play the trade-in game every 6 months (Jaguar anyone?) to keep current. I've stalled about as long as I can.
Problem is that Macs are no longer happy being the computer of the underdog. These new Intel Macs are going to tempt a lot of folks who are working graphics or film on PCs and the wealthier than thou Mac owners are going to welcome these lovely Intel chips with open wallets. It's a great move! Think of all of the frustrated Mac owners who can finally view all of those WMV files that they patiently downloaded in the dead of night in a plain brown wrapper. Personally I'd sell the dog for a chance to play old Dungeon Keeper. But it's the new market that calls to Apple and they've forgotten those of us that made the hard choice of quality over compatibility. You want to know where Apple's head is? Just look at the choice of personal avatars for this discussion section... looks like a catalog. I almost picked the rubber ducky. I just can't relate my own self image to a side view of an iMac can you?

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is there a way to run/convert classic applications to run on an Intel mac legally?
or an easy way to convert freeware PPC apps into universal binaries? (preferably the latter).
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Hi Dreamr;
I think now that you have stated that you are interested in Glider Pro, I don't see much hope for you getting it to work on Intel Mac. If it did it would probably be extremely slow. I think your best bet is to find a universal version of Glider Pro.
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Running Classic on new Intel Macs

Hi all,
This is interesting for those of us who may upgrade to an Intel Mac but want to be able to run OS9 software that we treasure.
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what did apple do by allowing windows to run on a Mac. if you ask me it is sorta counter productive in a way to OSX sale's. man i want to run OS X tiger on my Beige so bad but its missbehaving by the internal screen going black all the time and locking up the Mac. and i cant mount any cd's or dvd's unless i reboot with a cd or dvd in the drive but only works for a few minute's. man why couldent apple make drivers for the wings personality card on OS X 10.2-10.2.8 to make it work fully. prolly no one will ever make one. but any how that really urk's me on what they did allowing windows on a apple. yea it will boost sale's but thay are also messing with current Mac user's with hardware more than powerfull enuff to run there current version OS X. and now the B&W and yikes will no longer be supported in 10.5 . man that just out right suck's

Running Classic Apps on Intel Mac

Hi, I'm looking for a free and legal way to install and use classic apps. I don't have an "old" mac that runs classic, so I need an emulator or an app that can open these apps. Does anyone know any solutions?

Old Macs that run Mac OS 9 are quite cheap these days, and much more legal to obtain. See my FAQ*:
http://www.macmaps.com/usedrefurbished.html
http://www.macmaps.com/macosxnative.html
for references.
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How can you FORCE Classic mode to run on an Intel Mac? OS 9 emulation Rosetta Software Design

Hello everyone, I had a few thoughts on running Classic mode on intel macs which I wanted to share.
Now I know little about software design, but maybe someone who does could tell me if these ideas I had are at all feasible:
Now in the first place I now that, technically, "Classic" mode went out back with Tiger because of the switch to Intel chips. Switching to Intel, Rosetta was required to "translate" pre and non-intel OSX applications, with the exception of Classic since Rosetta does not translate deep enough into the system to do that. As a substitute to Classic, SheepShaver, Basilisk II, etc. can be used to emulate OS 9, but these are very lousy applications compared to Classic mode.
Is there ANY way whatsoever Rosetta could be edited, or Classic itself so that it will work on intel macs?
(that is, with the exception of 10.7+ systems since these don't even use Rosetta)
I know if Classic was placed on an intel mac, it would tell you to download Rosetta, but from there will crashes because frameworks in the system's library does not support (or was not designed for) Classic...
So what I wanted to know:
What if an old, Classic supporting PowerPC system's library folder was added to an Intel computer in a location other then that computers real system folder (as not to confuse the real, current system) and Classic manually edited so that it would search for the needed frameworks/etc files in the new location? Would it work?
Since, after all, it now has the correct "system" to run on (which before Rosetta could not convert), do you think there's any chance it would work and function properly?
Now beyond that, I wouldn't know the actual results (or consequences). I suppose the main problem to consider would be that the the PPC's system frameworks/etc wouldn't work at all on an Intel (which leads us back to Rosetta lacking in this area), and since those frameworks will be searching for other files in the system library (which would bring them to the current, Intel system) the same results would happen: crash! Or maybe sensing the system was mixed up, one or more files would try to "fix" themselves, and in turn destroy the computer's real system.
So, would it be worth a try?
I'd love to hear any other thoughts on running Classic on Intel...

There is an "easier" way to acquire SheepShaver called Chubby Bunny and I have put together a post with some safe links that are relevant to this topic. I see that emaculation is one of them.
Why do you need OS 9 greater than 9.04?
Feel free to let me know if you need any more help.
With the newer Intel Macs, you have to run a Classic emulator such as SheepShaver, which requires you to extract the Mac ROMs from your older Classic Mac and then install Mac OS 9.
A related program is Chubby Bunny, which comes bundled with all of that included.
More information on SheepShaver:
http://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/sheepshaver_mac_os_x_setup
and
http://www.everymac.com/mac-answers/mac-os-9-classic-support-faq/run-macos-9-on- intel-macs.html
and more information about Chubby Bunny:
http://www.macwindows.com/OS9_on_Intel_Mac.html#092408b
and
http://hackthemac.blogspot.co.uk/2008/08/chubby-bunny-old-virtual-machine.html
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Leopard, Intel-Mac, OS 9

Is it possible to install OS 9 Classic on an intel mac that has Leopard installed on it as the OS?
If so, how do I do it?
Thanks.

Yes, if you set up SheepShaver.
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Which software won't work on Intel Macs?

Hi,
I wonder if you would know of a list of program versions and compatibillity with the new Intel based Macs.
Thanks in advance!

Anything that needs to run under classic won't run.
I had to upgrade or drop the main apps a long time ago due to the peripheric support issues in Classic. However, even if I have not read it through, there is an interesting article on how to run Classic apps on Intel Macs with emulation. Could be interesting for some.
http://www.atpm.com/12.09/classic.shtml

Partition w/Tiger and able to use classic on Intel Mac

(1) Can I partition an Intel-based Mac with Leopard on partition#1 using Scheme GPT and Tiger on partition #2 using Apple Partitioning Map? (2) Would classic work booting from partition #2 with Tiger? Thanks, Bob

The answer is no classic is not supported on Intel Macs reguardless.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303137
There is however other classic emulators that you can download.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6512539&#6512539
George

Can I use OS9 as the start up disk on my Intel Mac?

I have a new Intel iMac. I want to partition my hard drive, install OS9 and run the old system. I know I can't use "classic" on 10.4.7 but I wonder if I could simply install OS9 and reboot my computer. I don't need to move between the two, meaning I don't need to work in OS9 then instantly click and be in 10.4.7. I can deal with the inconvenience of rebooting.
I'm having 3 problems
#1, I have an old version of Photoshop. I'll buy the newest Photoshop someday but the latest version wasn't made for Intel Macs and it is very expensive. $600. I wonder if it runs slow on Intel Macs. Maybe I should wait for the next version.
#2 I have a great Epson printer (875 DC) but Epson has not updated the print drivers for this model and probably won't. OK fine I can buy a newer better photo printer $550.
#3 I have a "Nikon Coolscan 4000" film Scanner $1,300. This scanner is great in OS9 but the thing never worked in OS10 and now that I have this Intel iMac I downloaded the latest software update and the thing still doesn’t work and if the computer sleeps while the Nikon software is open it won't wake up and I have to restart.
To sum everything up, can I run OS9 on my Intel iMac? I don't care if I have to work in OS9 then shut down and restart to work in 10.4.7 Can this Intel iMac understand OS9. If I try to restart using OS9 as the startup disk will I damage the computer? Will I screw things up and have to spend hours and days removing files and correcting problems?
I feel like this computer is a fresh clean new baby and I'm afraid that if I start messing around with it I'll regret it.

Hello,
I have a new Intel iMac. I want to partition my hard
drive, install OS9 and run the old system. I know I
can't use "classic" on 10.4.7 but I wonder if I could
simply install OS9 and reboot my computer.
The problem here, is that the OS 9 environment / Operating System will only run on a PowerPC processor.
The only reason that OS X will run on either processor, is that it was specifically designed to do so from the beginning.
But, OS 9 and older were specifically written for the PowerPC / Motorola processors.
So, you will need a machine with a PowerPC processor to run OS 9.
Currently, there is one program that will enable OS 9 to run on an Intel Mac. But, it requires making a copy of the Power Macintosh ROM. So, it's legal use is questionable at best.
http://www.gibix.net/projects/sheepshaver/
This program works by emulating the PowerPC processor. And, it is reported to operate at roughly 1/8-th of native speeds. So, it could be pretty slow for productive photo work.
#1, I have an old version of Photoshop. I'll buy the
newest Photoshop someday but the latest version
wasn't made for Intel Macs and it is very expensive.
$600. I wonder if it runs slow on Intel Macs. Maybe I
should wait for the next version.
If it is a Mac OS X version, then it will run on the Intel systems. But, yes it will be slower. Usable, but slower.
I haven't tried this program, so I cannot personally comment on it. But, even Steve Jobs admitted it was slow on the Intel Macs.
#2 I have a great Epson printer (875 DC) but Epson
has not updated the print drivers for this model and
probably won't. OK fine I can buy a newer better
photo printer $550.
OS X comes with drivers for the Epson Stylus Photo 875. They are provided by the Gimp-Print layer. But, installed / select just like any other printer. So, as long as you can connect the printer using USB, then you can select the driver for the 875 and be fine (as long as this is the same printer).
Otherwise, some people have reportedly installed PowerPC print drivers without trouble. I haven't tried it myself.
#3 I have a "Nikon Coolscan 4000" film Scanner
$1,300. This scanner is great in OS9 but the thing
never worked in OS10 and now that I have this Intel
iMac I downloaded the latest software update and the
thing still doesn’t work and if the computer sleeps
while the Nikon software is open it won't wake up and
I have to restart.
Can't really help you there.
To sum everything up, can I run OS9 on my Intel iMac?
I don't care if I have to work in OS9 then shut down
and restart to work in 10.4.7 Can this Intel iMac
understand OS9. If I try to restart using OS9 as the
startup disk will I damage the computer? Will I screw
things up and have to spend hours and days removing
files and correcting problems?
As mentioned above, the only method currently available to use OS 9 on an Intel system is that SheepShaver program.
But, I would not expect good results with it for your uses. And, it's legal status would be questionable since you need to copy a ROM file from another Mac to use it (which goes against Apple's license agreement).
I feel like this computer is a fresh clean new baby
and I'm afraid that if I start messing around with it
I'll regret it.
Just make sure you have a good backup of everything before you start experimenting.
I hope this helps.

Someone tell me why is it so difficult to print from my Intel Mac Mini

I'm so frusrated at this Intel Mac Mini of mine. I wish honest to God that I never bought this evil little machine.
I have the following printers:
HP Photosmart 7550
HP Laserjet 1012
Canon MP830
I can't get anything to print! It so **** frustrating. I switched my wife from her WinXP to a Intel Mac Mini (10.4.6). She hates the Mac Mini because she can't print anything.
Why is it so difficult? Please someone enlighten me.
After months (not kidding) of searching on the web I was able to get the Photosmart 7550 to print using one of the gimp drivers, but I couldn't get it to change the paper type or quality. So that tells me I can't print any photos from my Mac. Need to use the WinXP box.
Then I was able to get the 1012 printing by selecting "open using rosetta" for the Printer Setup Utility, and selecting the "HP LaserJet 4 series - Gimp-Print v5.0.0-beta2". So now I could at least print BW docs. Great the Mac Mini is not a total waste. Then I updated software, which include the Mac mini SMC Firmware Update. I don't know what did it, but now I can't print to the 1012 anymore. ARGHH!
I tried deleting the Library/Printer/HP directory, Reseting the Printing System, Restarting the CUPs, Installing PDDs, Installing the gimp drivers. What the ****! Why do I need to do any of this? I thought the Mac was suppose to be so easy. With all those **** commercials talking about how the Mac can do anything a PC can do, you would think one of those things is being able to print.
Those people making those commericals should try using the "Printer Setup Utility" program. That will change their tune. First you have to search for your printer, then pick the Printer Model, and then pick the specific model. And God forbid you click to fast, oops you've now picked a generic printer, needs to start all over again. There's no back button. You've already committed to the generic printer type. Now you have to open the Printer Setup Utility again and delete the generic printer and go search for your printer again. Lame.
Don't get me started with the Canon MP 830. I thought, ok maybe its because the 1012 and 7550 are older printers. I'll go buy a new printer - they must have current drivers for that. Canon tells me that the MP 830 is only a single OS machine, meaning you can only connect it to a windows machine and only other windows machines can print from it, or connect it to a Mac, and only other Macs can use it - Again, Lame.
Really I wanted to love the Mac OS. When I first got it, I was loving it. But what good is it if I can't print. I searched the web and it seems I'm not the only person having issues with printing.
I hate this Intel Mac Mini with every fiber of my being. Ok, maybe my printing woes are only because it's a Intel chip, and the PPC macs are golden. But come on, if you can't print from a computer, what good is it?
Please, someone help me. Otherwise, anybody want to buy a Intel dual core Mac Mini?
mac mini duo core Mac OS X (10.4.6)

You have two different issues: HP and Canon.
I don't know if I believe the Canon people. Windows XP has lots of different print options. Try installing Bonjour on Windows and then setting up a networked, Color Apple Laserwriter PS printer using "http://macmini.local:631" (assuming macmini is the name of your Mac). I have done this before (though not on a Canon). I am sure Canon will only support a standard configuration and this is not quite standard. Give it a try. It doesn't sound like it can hurt anything in your current setup.
For the HP, you might have to just wait for an updated driver from HP. HP has always had this problem. They are a huge printer company and I'm sure they get Apple hardware and OS versions before anybody else in the world. And yet, it seems as if they don't even begin working on their drivers until Apple officially releases a new OS. HP drivers are always the last to show up for a new OS and the first to break. If you get it working under MacOS 10.4.6, and then upgrade to 10.4.7, it is very likely that the HP drivers will stop working.
Unlike some of the other big companies, HP seems to have made the transition from Classic MacOS to MacOS X seamlessly. Their printer driver software works just as well on MacOS X as it did under MacOS.

Filemaker Pro loses applescript ability on intel mac

Hello
I am trying to install FMP6 on an intel mac. However when I do so, it loses all its applescript ability. Filemaker scripts no longer compile.
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Short answer: You can't. Buy an older Mac that supports OS 9 booting or Classic mode with OS X 10.4 or earlier.
Longer answer: There are third party OS 9 emulators that run on Intel Macs. One of them allows one to run OS 9.0.4. But these generally require one to have an OS 9 boot ROM image, and AFAIK there's no way to get one of these that complies with Apple's licensing requirements, other than buying an older Mac that supports OS 9 booting. As such it is against this forum's Terms of Use to discuss it further here. Google is your friend.

Switch iPod Classic from PC to Mac

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Any suggestions would be tremendously helpful.
Thank you.

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Oracle Forms on Intel Mac

i there,
My job requires me to access an application which has been written in Oracle Forms. Unfortunately, when I try to open the URL of the application, Safari and Firefox both complain. I tried the same operation via my Parallels Windows XP partition and noticed that it wants to install an ActiveX called 'Jinitiator'. I did some investigation on the net and found references to people being able to run Oracle Forms via a Classic program called 'Applet Runner'. Of course, on my Intel-based Macbook, I can't run that program! I installed the Mac OS X program 'Applet Launcher' from the XCode package and tried using that to access the Oracle Forms app but that didn't work :(
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Mac OS 9 on Intel Mac OS X system?

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It's an Intel x86 system.
How can I get Mac OS 9 applications to work on our new iMac running Mac OS X ?

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Longer answer: There are third party OS 9 emulators that run on Intel Macs. One of them allows one to run OS 9.0.4. But these generally require one to have an OS 9 boot ROM image, and AFAIK there's no way to get one of these that complies with Apple's licensing requirements, other than buying an older Mac that supports OS 9 booting. As such it is against this forum's Terms of Use to discuss it further here. Google is your friend.

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I am working on an Intel Mac and I have the standard DVDSP4 version?
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