Cloning Panther fom PB to PM

Hi, I did clone Panther (10.3.9) from my Powerbook (G4 12" 1,33Ghz) to my Powermac (G5 dual 1,8Ghz). It seems to work fine. Here is my question: Will it make any trouble because I did not use the original instalation DVD/CD wich came with the PM? Does the Panther clone recognize al the new hardware and so on?
Thanks
Powermac dual 1,8 / Powerbook 12" 1,3 / Imac G3DV 400 SE Mac OS X (10.3.9)

It is generally not a good idea to swap OS installs between different machines because they don't share the same hardware and therefore don't use the same drivers. Having said that, for nearly a year I used an iMac at work which I restored using a disk image from my PowerBook. It was an emergency situation and since it worked and I was pressed for time I didn't get around to resolving the situation until the end of the academic year. But I was ever mindful that at any moment I could find out just how bad an idea it was.

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Can I run Tiger and Leopard on the same computer

Hi folks.
I've been meaning to install Leopard for ages but have never got round to it (I bought the retail box when it first came out). I have upgraded my RAM to 2GB and my hard drive to 320GB with no problems.
My upgraded hard drive has been partitioned into 2 equal parts of 160GB. These appear on desktop as Mackintosh HD1 and HD2. HD1 is the disk with all my files, music, OS etc and HD2 is empty
I have 2 bootable clones of my present system - one is on a 160GB external and the other is the original 80GB HD that I replaced.
My question is this - can I install Leopard on to my 160GB external HD, then clone it on to the empty HD2. If I do this would I be able to run both Tiger and Leopard on the same Macbook?
Is there any problems with this plan? Would I be able to transfer between the 2 OS and how do I install Leopard on the external drive. Is it just a case of inserting the Leopard DVD and choose the external drive as the target?
As usual thanks in advance
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# Original Tiger in the internal HD, New Leopard in the external HD.
# New Leopard in the internal, Legacy cloned Tiger in the external.
# Split internal, one partition with Tiger, another with Leopard.
Leopard is backwardly compatible with older Macs, just make sure yours fulfills the minimum system requirements, both use the same filesystem format, so each can see the other. You can't run both at the same time, unless you purchase the server version of Leopard and run it virtualized. 99.9% of Firewire external HD's are bootable, some USB's are bootable but have to test first. You can choose which system to boot from by pressing the Option key at boot time, before the chime. Just make sure the external HDD is plugged in and turned on if that's where you want to boot from.
When I migrated my PBG4 from Panther to Tiger, got an external FW HDD, cloned Panther onto it, upgraded using Archive and Install, cleaned up, customized and tested it. When I was satisfied all was ok, cloned the original Panther onto another partition of the external HDD, wiped and tested for failure the internal HDD, then cloned the known good and tested Tiger into it. Only thing that died along the way was my old and ancient Photoshop v2.x, that refused to run on Tiger.

External Hard Disc - Partitions - Using TM

I have upgraded my iMac to Leopard and installed an Iomega minimac 500 Gb EHD. I searched for advice on discussions and then created 3 partitions. 60 Gb Rescue, for clone of Leopard, 80Gb Last, for previous Panther clone, 325Gb for Back up. Query is: if I use Time Machine, do I need seperate partition for Rescue? If I use TM in Back up volume, should I also save my photos and video iDVD's seperately by creating a spaces( volumes or folders) for them as well?
I don't really want to reformat as I will lose my cloned Panther volume.

Thanks Kappy for your quick reply. I would use CCC for the cloning. My question really concerns the use of TM in the Back up volume. Will I be OK to rely on TM to keep back up of all my photos and videos? Or would I be able to set up separate folders for that purpose. I propose to scan and file a lot of slides(transparencies) which I want to make sure that I can keep for the future.
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After reinstalling Panther, you will need to install Leopard. But note that upgrade disk to Leopard are difficult to find and, especially, at a reasonable price. You may need to buy a box set.
If you decide to make the move, then, in your case, I suggest that you do an upgrade install. If you do an upgrade, then, after installing, all you file, setting, users, and apps will be in their proper places, except for incompatible apps which will be archived in the Incompatible Applications folder. Upgrading is a very sound method.
I would not upgrade to Leo using any method unless, again, I had an external drive with a bootable clone of my internal-drive boot volume (this time a Panther clone) on it. I think that there is enough risk upgrading to Leopard that such conservatism is warranted. I would not use time machine for an installation backup; I don't trust it enough.
If you do not like Leopard or get a bad install, then you can restore your internal back to Panther using the clone, and nothing will be lost. In doing an upgrade install, the clone is your data backup and fail-safe device. In both cases, you can clone with Disk Utility, SuperDuper, or Carbon Copy Cloner. If you like the idea of cloning for a backup, etc., then I would acquire one of the last two mentioned programs.

Quicksilver G4 will not boot from a cloned firewire external drive.

Hi all,
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That Leopard Disc should work...
2Z691-6037-A Mac OS X Version 10.5.0 Leopard...
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Fan Ramps to High/Loud in Panther and is fine in Tiger?

Just got my Dual 2ghz, the PCI 4gig max Ram version (currently 2.5 gigs installed), and in Panther 10.3.3 the fan begins ramping up after the OS loads and continues to cycle upwards until it reaches what I can only imagine is it's high setting. I stuck some ribbons on the back of the grill and they are floating in the wind. It's the fan on the bottom of the tower underneath the video card connection. I have a Panther partition and a Tiger partition. Tiger seems fine. Panther is a wind tunnel.
Does anyone, hopefully someone at apple, know how to fix this. I would love to stay in 10.3.3 on the Panther partition cause I'm catering to some moody software. Tiger is up to date. If I have to upgrade I will, but can't we fix this issue without upgrading. Is it the Radeon 9600 (128mb, Dual DVI) video card? I've noticed that none of the ATI updates address that card. The system does have problems coming back from sleep in Panther. That's usually caused by PCI cards but maybe the AGP card isn't happy. I should re-seat the card... I will.. Haven't tested sleep in Tiger yet. Seems to be running fine, and the fact that it's ok in Tiger leads me to believe that there has got to be a software fix for this thing. I know the boys and girls at apple are clever enough to fix this. I mean... come on... they brought us Final Cut and iPods. How hard is it to fix a fan? Please don't tell me I have to lug this thing into a nearby repair shop for re-calibration. Hook a brother up. Eagerly awaiting the miracle cure. Thanks for any input towards the fix.

Hi Paul,
The G5 ran this way under Panther from the start. I need the Panther partition until all my software is Tiger capable. Plus my version of Pro Tools LE doesn't recommend that I go to the most up to date version of Panther. I think they recommend 10.3.6 unless I upgrade the Pro Tools software to the next level, which will cost me. You know how it goes. I was just hoping that the system I had on my G4 could be transfered over to my G5 partition and work as well there as it does on the G4, which it does except for the fan issue. I will try a fresh install of Panther since I cloned the drive originally. I'll let ya know what happens. Thanks.

Can I install Panther on an extra internal drive to swap into another G5?

Bear with me on this long explanation...
I have a G5 that won't boot (lock on grey apple screen and then the fans blow wildly). I can't get the optical drive door to open unless it's in target disk mode with my powerbook -- where the drive door opens fine...but not when trying to boot the G5 on it's own. Unfortunately - this is preventing me from booting from the G5 Panther install discs.
I used Disk Utility while in target disk mode to verify/repair the disk and the report says the drive is fine (which I know doesn't mean it is free from corruption)...but if I then try to boot the G5 on it's own --- grey screen and I'm stuck. Seems like the G5 startup disk has died.
Also tried to boot from a FW drive with a cloned copy on it. Holding down option on restart --- I get the icon for an OSX volume (which is the FW drive)... click on the icon to select it (doesn't seem to do anything) but if I then hit the right arrow icon -- it goes back to the frozen grey screen.
OK -- here is the question:
Can I use my wife's G5 that runs Tiger to install Panther from my G5's install discs onto an extra internal drive that I can drop into the empty drive bay on the Tiger G5 --- and then install that extra internal drive (hopefully with panther now installed) into my G5 as a brand new start up disk?
If so -- are there any things that I need to do other than the procedure above?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance!

When installing Panther on the extra internal drive using the G5 running Tiger --- can I just insert the install discs into the Tiger G5 optical drive while it is already running and perform the install onto the extra drive
No. You have to boot from the installer disc to install any OS.
or would I need to restart the Tiger G5 with the install disc inside the optical drive and hold down c on restart to reboot from the Panther install discs and select the extra drive as the install destination?
Yes.

How to clean install/upgrade from9.1/9.2.2 to Panther and make HD space

Dear group,
After reading many posts looking for answers to my iMac problems, I've decided to make a post. I've an iMac from the 500 series (which came with 128Mb, 20GB HD and 500MHZ and a slot for cd's) which I bought in 2001. From the start I prefered using OS9.1 instead of the OSX 10.0.3 that also came with it. But during the years there were many conflicts between programs and a lot of websites are not viewable now. I added 512mb to the 128mb working memory, but since I added more programs too, the 20GB HD was getting rather full:-(. Also upgraded Os 9.1 to 9.2.2.
My idea was to buy a external HD and to copy the intern HD to the external HD. This way I wouldn't lose any programs (of which 1 I broke the cd of) and then install programs I want to work with on the internal HD. After informing with several Mac-stores, they said this is not possible:-(. So I could only use an external HD for files and docs. When I finally saw an external HD of my choice (WD) it said that minimum OSX 10.3 was needed. This I don't have on my Mac, so didn't bought it. Also my HD was almost full. So I've been copying files to cd's to make some space. Here I read about "firmware" and found out mine does not need update anymore.
Online I bought the Panther software. It's Mac Os X 10.3.2 cd version however it says "eMac" on the cd. The person who sold it said it would be no problem to run on an iMac though. Reading some posts here, I wonder..
So to my questions:
How to proceed from here?
Did I understood right that Os 9.1 or higher is needed to upgrade to Os X (Panher) ?
Should I do a clean install of 9.1 again to avoid future conflicts? Or should I chose another type of install (or maybe remove parts or all and if so, how)?
And how to remove other programs from the HD without forgetting plugins or other files of that program that are spread in different folders on the HD?
Or was the Mac store wrong and is it indeed possible to move all to an external HD? And which external HD's are compatible with Os 9.1/Os 9.2?
I've many more questions, but since my post is already lenghtly I'll leave these for another time;-0.
Kind regards,
'Vonne

Hi, Vonne -
Now how do you 'boot' /make an ext. HD a boot drive?
A boot drive is the drive containing the OS from which the the machine boots. If you install a valid OS (an OS of adequate version and one whose install is compatible with that machine) on a external drive, and the machine is capable of booting from that kind of drive, all you need do is one of the following -
• select the OS on that drive in Startup Manager (control panel in OS 9, or control pane in System Preferences in OSX) and Restart.
• use Startup Manager to select the OS/drive which you want to use for that startup at the start of the boot process. This article describes using Startup Manager -
Article #HT1310 - Startup Manager: How to Select a Startup Volume
I used the phrase "one whose install is compatible with that machine" carefully. It is certainly possible to replicate (via copying in the case of OS 9, or cloning in the case of OSX) an OS from another machine onto an external drive, and then connect that drive to your machine. However, if the machine that was used as the source for the replication is not the exact same model as yours, it is unlikely that the OS will be viable - although the OS may be of adequate version, OS installs are usually tailored by the installer to match the hardware of the machine upon which it is being installed. A different model will probably have different hardware, and so the replicated OS will not have files in it to support the different hardware.
So I can also chose to remove the whole Os 9 and only put Os X on it? I thought I read somewhere you need to have Os 9 on it before you could
Correct. An install of OSX is stand-alone. Using a full-install disk set for OSX, there is absolutely no requirement at all that any prior version of any OS already be there.
Note, though, that most OS 9 programs are not compatible with OSX. This means that if you remove OS 9, you will not be able to run those programs which are not OSX-native. Some few are compatible with both OS's, such as later versions of AppleWorks 6.
The reason for this is that OS 9 and OSX are not written in the same language, do not have the same roots. OS 9 shares its roots with previous OS's, all the way back to OS 1. OSX is a new critter, written from scratch (although it is, I understand, based somewhat on Unix). The way OSX handles stuff (processes, routines, toolbox calls, etc., as well as the concepts of extensions and control panels and more), are not at all like OS 9 and earlier.
There is a solution for that - OS 9 can be used in the Classic mode under OSX. As Classic, OS 9 is used as a program (not as an OS) in order to provide an environment in which many OS 9-only programs can be run. To be used as Classic, OS 9 must be OS 9.1 or later, preferrably OS 9.2.x.
An install of OS 9 can be used for Classic and still retain its ability to boot the machine as an OS. Many folk have found that when possible it is better to have two installs of OS 9 - one dedicated for use as an OS, the other dedicated for use as Classic. This necessitates having more than one volume available. since it is near impossible to have two installs of OS 9 on the same volume and have them usable without conflict. In this context, a "volume" = an unpartitioned drive, or a partition of a partitioned drive.
Do you've brand names for me? The Mac stores only have the newest types that go from Os X 10.3 or greater
The brand names I have are somewhat outdated. At present I have four bootable firewire drives, three connected full time (the fourth is set up as an emergency boot-and-repair drive for both my G4s). Of those, three are VST brand; VST was bought out several years ago by SmartDisk. The fourth is even older, a FireDrive from MacTell - I have no idea what became of that company.
I have a hunch that most any drive that is connectable via FireWire 400 will be suitable for OS 9, provided that it is reinitialized after receipt. The requirement for OSX 10.3 may pertain to any formatting or backup software that is bundled with the drive. With regard to compatibility with OSX, I understand that using a drive with an Oxford chipset is preferred.
Perhaps someone else more familiar with current drive offerings will post in with more specific info.
How do I verify the drive works as a boot drive?
Same way any piece of hardware is verified - by trying it out. Boot the machine to the drive to verify it is bootable.
They said drag and drop can't be done.
They're wrong, with regard to OS 9. They're right, with regard to OSX.
OS 9 stuff - programs as well as OS's - is eminently copyable via drag and drop.
OSX stuff needs to be cloned using a cloning utility.
Have you experience with booting an internal drive to an ext. drive?
Yes. As I mentioned, I have four bootable firewire drives. Three are connected full time to my G4/500 AGP model; the fourth is an emergency disk. All have bootable OS's on them, of various kinds - a recent duplicate (via drag and drop) of the OS 9.1 on my primary internal drive; OS 9.2.1; and OSX 10.1.5 (which I have rarely used); and (on the emergency disk) a universal install of OS 9.2.1. How do I know they are bootable? Because I tested them by booting the machine to them.
Os X 10.0.3 is on my internal drive, so why should I use the OsX install CD to boot? Or do you mean the install cd of the new OsX (Panther) version?
Because the later versions of OSX have a better version of Disk Utility. The one that came with OSX 10.0.3 may be adequate; however, OSX 10.0 was a public Beta version - the first real release (one classed as a complete OS, not a Beta, i.e. trial, version) of OSX was 10.1.
I wasn't able to see the new cardreader I bought (which should be for Os 8.6 and higher). Could it be something is broken within Os 9.1/9.2.2 and it would be wise to do a reinstall anyway so to fix bugs like that?
If the card reader was not connected when the OS was installed or updated, the set of drivers needed by the card reader were probably not installed. OS 9 installers are sometimes too clever - they read what hardware is available, and install any software available which is needed by that hardware. This means they often do not install software which is not needed at that time; later changes or additions to the hardware can result in an apparent incompatibility, but that oes not mean something is broken. A re-install of the last version installed will sometimes take care of it.
Specifically, see this User Tip (although it addresses USB PCI cards, the same set of extensions is often needed for things like card readers) -
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=607556&
Ok, so it looks like I don't the right Panther software. So maybe good reinstall Os 9? In the 'Help' I find the option to re-install parts or remove parts of the systemprogram. Another option is the so called 'clean install'. And there's the possibility to use the recovery cd. I've no clue which option is best.
As Allan mentioned, it is unlikely that the eMac OSX 10.3.2 disk you got will work - disks that are shipped with a machine are usually model-specific to that machine model. If a disk states a model name on it, it is intended for use with that model. The retail disk sets, those for both OS 9 and OSX, contain a universal installer, one which has assets available to it which allow the installer to place a full, complete OS on any machine model supported by Apple for that OS version.
A Clean Install of OS 9 can be performed only using an original Software Install CD for a machine, or by using a retail OS 9 Install CD of adequate version. A Clean Install neither disturbs nor removes anything - it installs a brand new OS 9 System Folder, renames any previous one to Previous System Folder, installs a standard set of utilities if those are not already present, and does little else. A Clean Install is the only relatively convenient way to change the inherent language of an OS 9 install, or to downgrade the OS version. This Apple KBase article disusses it further -
Article #TA43881 - Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9: Performing a Clean Installation
A Software Restore CD can be a dangerous disk to use. The primary purpose of an OS 9 Software Restore CD is to return the drive to its original "as-shipped" configuration. Although its installer can be set to retain all info already on the drive, it is very easy to accidentally erase the entire drive. I do not think that a Software Restore CD will serve the purposes you have described.
The main difference between a Software Restore CD and a Software Install CD is that a Software Restore CD uses a disk image of the drive as originally shipped as its source, while a Software Install CD uses a library, an archive, of individual software components from which the installer selects as needed to match the machine's hardware configuration. In this context, a retail OS 9 Install CD is much the same as a Software Install CD, except that its archive of software somponents is usually more extensive.
A Software Install CD (and a retail OS 9 Install CD) can also be used to install or re-install individual OS software components. This is accomplished by selecting the Custom button on the Start page of the installer, then the group, then individual items as needed. The requirement here is that the version of the OS 9 on the hard drive must match the one the CD is intended to install.

OS X Panther and TechTool Pro

Can an earlier version of TechTool Pro be used to diagnose and fix issues with a drive with Panther 10.3.9 installed?
I have tried to install TechTool pro version 4.1.1 for Panther on my beige G3 and it will not launch. It "unexpectedly quits".
Also, I have a second drive that won't boot a cloned copy of OS X Panther and I can't use this drive to boot from and use same version of TechTool on that drive to diagnose the primary boot drive.
The idea was to have 2 versions of OS X Panther to be able to fix issues with both internal drives when needed. Can't seem to be able to do this.
The TTP 4 CD won't boot from the beige's internal CD drive, either. I have an additional CD drive connected via a PCI FW card, but I beleive that the beige Macs are not bootable through FW. So, that won't work.
I have an older version 3.X of TTP that does boot from CD and can be used from OS 9 to diagnose an OS X system. I used to use this version to fix issues with OS X 10.2.8 Jaguar. Since I appear to have some limitations, is it advisable to use an older disk repair app to fix a newer OS X system?
I realize that it might not "fix" everything but will it fix what it'll recognized and not do any additional file damage to a newer system?
Bad idea?
I am kinda stuck as I have a perfectly good working version of OS X Panther running on this Mac, but with no way to do any disk maintenance or repairs with the Panther version of TTP.
Any Suggestions?

Boot to OS 9.
Run XpostFacto.
Insert the Panther Install CD.
Boot to the CD (and claim you will install on the cloned drive) -- this will get you running off the Install CD, but do not install. Instead, choose Disk Utility from the Installer menu as your first action.
Use Disk Utility to Repair the cloned disk. Run again until it comes clean or gets stuck. Then Repair Permissions once.
Quit Disk Utility and set Startup to OS 9 and Restart.
Run XpostFacto.
Select the cloned drive and choose to boot to it.
If no success, go back to OS 9 and run XPostFacto again. Select the cloned drive. Uninstall everything. Re-install everything (it takes a while this time) choose to boot to that drive.

Upgrading Panther to 10.3.9

I now have Panther disks in hand (retail) and am wondering if there is a preferred upgrade path to get to 10.3.9.
In Jag, I found that the sequence (where "SA" = "stand-alone"):
10.2.3 (retail install base) > 10.2.4 SA > 10.2.6 SA >10.2.8 Combined updater
gave the best results. Is Panther as persnickety about its upgrade path?
Thanks,
Allan

Hi Allan,
Just so I don't start to worry that I've lost more brain cells than I care to, I think Archive and Install appears when you press the "Options" button on the same screen that you choose which drive to install Panther onto. The install process will automatically create a "Previous Systems" folder on your drive. (I may have been working with MacDad too long, with associated memory loss!)
That said, Once your new drive is partitioned, you could clone your existing Jag system to it, unless those invalid key length errors are file errors that will get cloned as well.
Then again, a clean install from scratch has its appeal. I'm thinking of doing exactly that one of these days, to see if it cures the still occasional kernel panics.
Have fun!

2001 laptop: will it be better off with Tiger or Panther?

My dad has my old 15" Apple laptop (bought in 2001 or so). It's running Panther now, and is quite sluggish. I'm wondering: if I bring it up to Tiger, will it be even slower (if Tiger requires more performance) or better (if Tiger is somehow leaner and more efficient than Panther)?
Mike

If you have or are willing to learn some experience with using clone utilities,
the external hard disk drive in FireWire enclosure is where the content of
the computer's nearly full drive could be moved via clone; freeing the internal
and allowing the option for a clean sweep of the internal hard disk drive of
the Mini (or any other) by using Disk Utility (Tiger's) from the install disc to
later wipe the drive, overwrite it with zeros, reformat it, and make sure it is
healthy and ready for an all new system.
You can get decent clone utilities that run free, via download online; the
two fairly well known ones are Carbon Copy Cloner and Super Duper.
New versions of both appear to offer some good controls over how the
clone is made and also in re-cloning the bootable copy back to the Mac
from an external at some point, if you have partitions on the external FW
HDD; it can then support multiple clones of your computer's full content.
{Since Tiger retail installer disc does not include the later versions of iLife
a computer installer software packet for a new computer shipped with Tiger
would have included, if you expect to continue using iPhoto, GarageBand,
iDVD or iMovie (as hardware permits) the iLife 06 may be the one to get.
Since iLife 09 and 08 may present issues in older computers lacking the
correct specification hardware to support the needs of later iLife versions.}
By avoiding the older Panther (a new install from scratch and no upgrade
over the Panther original system; to forgo the Mini's original software) is
the best way to have Tiger in a computer. The installation is much cleaner
and the system parts are correct; as some Panther parts carried forward
in an upgrade and install to Tiger may remain and not be the better ones.
On the other hand, reasons to consider a clone of the older Panther
system on the external drive, is that can boot the computer and all the
older stuff could run better in that more empty hard disk drive; and so
could all the older iLife apps in Panther; plus AppleWorks, and other apps.
Camino browser works well in Mac OS X from 10.3.9 to current versions.
The Opera browser may offer satisfactory support, back to Panther. The
best option is to work on upgrading the slow older computer's hardware
so it can support Tiger as good as it can; if you can find and buy the
OS X family pack for 10.4.x and then get the standalone updates for it;
you can save having to duplicate downloads of all those parts.
The 2001 'Book, may do adequately; if given all the RAM it can support
(see http://mactracker.ca for various machine specifications) and at a
point in the future, a larger hard drive inside it may be worth the effort.
A family-pack Tiger installer could be a less costly way to install a full
new system from scratch in the computers and also have a bootable
installer disc for later maintenance and support of the resulting systems.
In any event...
Good luck & happy computing!
edited.

Dual 2ghz G5 Panther runs fans on High constantly.

Regarding the G5 fan issues in Panther.
To recap, I have a Dual 2 ghz system with PCI, 4 gigs max ram and a Radeon 9600 128mb. After unwrapping my G5 fresh from Apple's refurb lab I set it up and found that my Tiger partition seems to run fine, but the Panther partition, 10.3.3, runs the system fans on full blast. I would like to keep a mirror of my G4's 10.3.3 on the G5 until I sort out a bunch of things. The fact that this model G5 is supposed to support Panther is why I bought the refurb and not a new model.
I basically wanted a G5 that mirrored my current system, but faster. So anyway, I knew that the hardware worked because Tiger worked, so I upgraded the OS to 10.3.9 and the fans were fine. So the fix is a software issue. But do I need to jump to 10.3.9 to achieve it? Can I install a more specific software to address this issue?....Lets see...
I made another partition after a fresh cloning and using my 10.3.3 partition I installed just the extensions from the 10.3.9 combo update using Pacifist. This solved the fan problem. Granted, it whacked out the firewire which stopped recognizing my external drive, but I was just checking to see if the fix was in there separately somewhere... and it was. My only fear was that the fans were now not going to ramp up when it was warranted. What the **** do I know, but I think this proves, or at least suggests pretty strongly that the fan issue can be solved with an individual update. All I need to know is which elements from the 10.3.9, or even an earlier update, are needed to reliably solve the fan issue without hurting the system in some other way. I don't want to do anything to jinx the system so I'm returning it to it's normal state and then upgrading one level of the whole OS at a time to see where the fan fix kicks in. I've already tried 10.3.4 and that doesn't work. 10.3.5 is next. After I find the first OS upgrade that fixes the fan I will check all my software and see if I can live with it until everything is Tiger compatible... unless someone answers this question for me and then Panther is back to 10.3.3 with the fans fixed. As it should be. The only reason I'm obsessed with it is that the OS and my programs work fine, but the fan is driving me nuts...and I'm worried that letting it crank away on full blast like that would eventually wear them down. Any ideas? Would love to hear from someone at tech support? Thanks....

I think the G5 DP2 you have, with 4 RAM slots & PCI, is known as an 'Early 2005'.
From this list
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25517
the build of OS X supplied with it was at least 10.4
Apple do not support running an earlier version of OS X than the build it shipped with
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25497
Sometimes an earlier version works ok, often after an install from a "retail" copy of 10.3 - system discs from other Macs may have system-specific features.
This was discussed at great length when the G5s supplied with 10.4 were released. If you search on "10.3" last year, no doubt some of it is still around.
You could also try browsing/searching/posting in the 10.3 forums
http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=161
Otherwise, I guess it's a case of trial and error.
Using the "combo" updaters may help alleviate some problems. No doubt you are repairing permissions, disconnecting peripherals (esp. firewire), etc, etc. Good Luck.

Panther System Preferences now in Application ƒ after power glizh

G'day-10.3.9 on a G4 Sawtooth and had a recent power failure (Sydney) that affected my Time/Date + OSX warning to fix it pronto. Did so & ran DskWarrior as well. Next day noticed an apple icon file in my Applications ƒ labelled _System Preferences_.
My preference pane is still functional in the Dock but crickey, Iv'e got this problem.
The System/Library has got 1) System Configuration....finishing in .bundles
2) Preferences Panes & System Profiler as likey repositories of Panther Sys. Prefs with own extns.
Can someone please tell me if I can rename & relocate these preferences without crashing my System. I'm in the process of backing up to Carbob Copy Cloner and wondering if I want this to get cloned to the wrtong file in the interim.
Here's a case that DskWarrior didn't pick up such a glitch as far as files go ey?
Appreciate your help. Thanks
Graeme Nicholas known as <gdnic>

Ran 10.3.9 Combo updater & everything seems kosher except for the <System preferences>Folder remains in my Application Folder. Its dated April 05 (modified) & is 460kb.
Wonder now if I can safely delete it ??
Re Combo update, some of the /Library/Prefs were modified as well as some System/Library files, so assuming that exercise to be effective -thanks.
Q....Can anyone identify for me the name of the Panther Sys.Preference file please, so I can delete the rogue one in my Apps File!
Thanks from Down Under
Graeme

Looking to upgrade to Leopard from Panther; any thoughts?

Hello to all, this is my second post, so please bear with me if it sounds silly:
I have a late 2004 iMac Power PCG5, 20inch display, 1.8GHz, 2GB RAM, running Panther 10.3.9.
I am looking to possibly buy a few iPhones for the wife and I and I know that system requirements are 10.4.1 or higher. Since I cannot get Tiger anymore, I need to buy Leopard.
My computer runs smoothly, no problems, I have always kept up on software updates. Heck, we have only used like 30GB of the 160GB hard drive!
My question(s)- has anyone experienced any problems doing this kind of jump from Panther to Leopard? Known issues? I really appreciate any and all input.... I would rather not have to buy a new computer just to simply get Leopard 10.5.
I just would like to hear some reassurances or downsides before I spend $129 for Leopard.
Thanks in advance,

Drumfreak 68
2nd post for me as well.I just installed leopard on my imac.I had the same type of concerns as you.My wife is a part time college teacher,very important I have no issues with upgrading OS. I spent 6 months reading these forums.I've learned so much.
I upgraded to Leopard from tiger in the following manner.Every thing I did I read on these forums.
I purchased 2 external hd. The first is a 1 TB with the plan to use as a time machine disk after transition.The 2nd was a 320g that I partioned in half.I cloned my internal hd to both external hds,using superduper {fantastic program for 27$] I installed Leopard on the 2nd partition of the 320 gig hd.I booted from and ran computer from both external tiger volumnes for about a week.I booted the computer from the Leopard partition of the 320 Ex. Hd.I ran the computer from the leopard partition for the same time frame.I ran every app, that I could think of that my family uses . I had no issues at all.When I was happy with everything,I then used superduper to clone my external leopard to my internal.I will keep my tiger clone until i am confident that I have all the files moved.

Upgrading from panther to (tiger?)

Hi
im on os x 3,9.
Im getting to the point where i need to move onto os x 10.4 with some software i want to use.
What are my options ? :
1. What should i move on to Tiger - Leapord - whats suitable for my emac 800mhz?
Also am i limited to only upto a certain upgrade eg 10.4.3 or can i go upto 10.4.9 and onto leapard?
2.. Should i buy and install tiger on an external hd partitioned volume ? If i cant why not , because isnt it the same as cloning an internal ? If i could, the logic is i could keep my panther on the internal and also access a tiger OS on the external. this is a good solution for me.
3. I'm confused about all the different operating system install discs & pc compatability - am i right in thinking i need ANY PPC install dvd version - can i get these from anywhere ?
thanks for helping me out on this confusing subject
d

Apple has yet to formally release the minimum specifications for Leopard, and anyone who really knows what are likely to be the final specs would be under a non-disclosure agreement, so no one can say for sure if your eMac will run Leopard or not (although there rumors about greater than 800 MHz CPU clock speed, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Leopard with a 800 MHz model).
Tiger is available in two ways: as a retail black-label DVD for PPC Macs meeting Tigers minimum specs (this includes all eMacs), or model-specific gray-label discs for late model PPC and Intel Macs. The model-specific discs cannot be used to install on any other models --- Apple is in the business of selling the OS, after all. Whatever version OS is on the retail Tiger DVD, you can use the OS X Update Combo 10.4.10 (PPC) to get up to the latest version of Tiger.
If your external HD is formatted as Mac OS Extended, you can install Tiger onto a partition and switch between Tiger and Panther using Startup Manager. One cavet: Tiger makes changes to it's boot disc to support additional disc attributes; once you use a disc to boot Tiger, you cannot readily revert that disc back to an earlier OS without erasing and reformatting it. Also, any utilities, especially disk utilities like OnyX, that you use should be updated to Tiger-compatible versions (see e.g. Only use Mac OS X 10.4-compatible disk utilities with Mac OS X 10.4 volumes).
The first boot after upgrading will likely involve a double start as a firmware update is pushed through as well, so don't be surprised to see the screen go blank after the first start. Also, the first start upder Tiger will take longer than usual, with subsequent starts being much faster.
There ar ehandy tips for upgrading to Tiger at Gulliver - Tiger Upgrade Guide.

Cloning Panther fom PB to PM

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