Closing socket as no data read
Hi,
I am using weblogic 10.3 application server. I am frequently facing the below warning in log file
<BEA-000449> <Closing socket as no data read from it during the configured idle timeout of *0 secs*>
As a response, "Page cannot be displayed" error is seen in browser for that request. I checked the config.xml, nowhere it is configured as 0 seconds.
Please help me with your suggestions.
Regards
Purushoth
Edited by: user13299431 on Nov 29, 2010 2:01 AM
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Weblogic 11G error = BEA-000449 Closing socket as no data read from it
In My Weblogic 11G, i am getting Warning msg in my log file saying Closing socket as no data read from it
####<Nov 2, 2010 12:10:53 AM IST> <Warning> <Socket> <TradeServer> <TradeServer> <[ACTIVE] ExecuteThread: '8' for queue: 'weblogic.kernel.Default (self-tuning)'> <<WLS Kernel>> <1288636853607> <BEA-000449> <Closing socket as no data read from it on 95.66.7.15:58,089 during the configured idle timeout of 25 secs>
####<Nov 2, 2010 12:10:53 AM IST> <Warning> <Socket> <TradeServer> <TradeServer> <[ACTIVE] ExecuteThread: '8' for queue: 'weblogic.kernel.Default (self-tuning)'> <<WLS Kernel>> <1288636853607> <BEA-000449> <Closing socket as no data read from it on 95.66.7.15:58,088 during the configured idle timeout of 25 secs>
####<Nov 2, 2010 12:21:37 AM IST> <Info> <JDBC> <TradeServer> <TradeServer> <[ACTIVE] ExecuteThread: '23' for queue: 'weblogic.kernel.Default (self-tuning)'> <<WLS Kernel>> <1288637497701> <BEA-001128> <Connection for pool "IB_JDBC_Data_Source" closed.>
I have follow the following step
If you want to follow this solution. Go to Admin console -> Click on Domain->Configuration->Log Filters->create new Log filter.
I added this line in expression "(MESSAGE !='Closing socket as no data read from it during the configured idle timeout of 5 secs')"
Go to your server-(for each server you have to set it individually)->Logging->Advanced->Select this log filter for Standard Out or log file.
My Filter is "(MESSAGE !=Closing socket as no data read from it ')"
this is not working in weblogic 11G, any one have the solution to stop this msg.
Edited by: Amar_Shaw on Nov 3, 2010 1:40 PMHi Amar,
I think you have given the wrong string in the filter, you are getting "*Closing socket as no data read from it on 95.66.7.15:58,089 during the configured idle timeout of 25 secs*" and you have given in the filter "*Closing socket as no data read from it during the configured idle timeout of 5 secs*".
You can change it and see if that works for you.
Also the above option is just to suppress the issue which are getting which in this case is fine as its just a warning message, however you can even try to tune few of the follwoing parameters that too would help you to remove this warning message.
1. Set the parameter -Dweblogic.client.socket.ConnectTimeout=XXX, in the start-up script of the server which you are seeing this issue under JAVA_OPTIONS
Note: Where "XXX" is the value in ms.
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2. Try tuning the duration time to a higher value from the below Console path
Server -> Protocols (tab) -> HTTP (sub-tab) -> Duration
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prakashpIn My Weblogic 11G, i am getting Warning msg in my log file saying Closing socket as no data read from it
####<Nov 2, 2010 12:10:53 AM IST> <Warning> <Socket> <TradeServer> <TradeServer> <[ACTIVE] ExecuteThread: '8' for queue: 'weblogic.kernel.Default (self-tuning)'> <<WLS Kernel>> <> <> <1288636853607> <BEA-000449> <Closing socket as no data read from it on 95.66.7.15:58,089 during the configured idle timeout of 25 secs>
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Hi,
I am using weblogic 10.3 application server. I am frequently facing the below warning in log file
<BEA-000449> <Closing socket as no data read from it during the configured idle timeout of *0 secs*>
As a response, "Page cannot be displayed" error is seen in browser for that request. I checked the config.xml, nowhere it is configured as 0 seconds.
Please help me with your suggestions.
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Edited by: user13299431 on Nov 29, 2010 4:36 AMHi
This is message you can filter it thru LogFilter
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I added this line in expression "(MESSAGE !='Closing socket as no data read from it during the configured idle timeout of 0 secs')"
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Message--> 000c100000300000007f100700302E12008071104060400 Lane Communication Is OK 004d100500300302E0100000027000000000000000000000000000010845800000000000000000000000c100000302E01007f100700303E12008071104140200 Lane Communication Is OK 004d100500300303E0402350427000000000000000000000000000119107300000008500000000000000c100000303E00007f100700304E12008070704085600 Lane Communication Is OK 004d100500300304E0201521427000000000000000000000000000081090700000003640000000000000c100000304E00007f100700305X12008071104111600 Lane Communication Is OK 004d100500300305X0801411215000000000000000000000000000048892600000000810000000001000c100000305X00007f100700306X12008071104102600 Lane Communication Is OK 004d100500300306X0800660815000000000000000000000000000046838800000000760000000000000c100000306X00007f100700307X12008063003542200 Lane Communication Is OK 004d100500300307X1000445315000000000000000000000000000125509000000017220000000127000c100000307X000104100300300307X200807111727309311015004453030200000000000000000000000000000527000001020102000000001154210344501304E2008071116072500EZPASS TAG# 022 - 04522780 STATUS = VALID TYPE = INTERIOR FPT Program Status = Success 00012550910000001723000000012820104100300300305X200807111727325610815014112010200000000000000000000000000000000010201020102000000005146360015500121E2008071117010800MANUAL CASH IN EXIT MANUAL 00004889270000000082000000000100104100300300307X200807111727353911015004453030200000000000000000000000000000072000001020102000000001154220344700103E2008071117070600EZPASS TAG# 008 - 03623801 STATUS = VALID TYPE = INTERIOR FPT Program Status = Success 00012550920000001724000000012800104100300300307X200807111727379411015004453030200000000000000000000000000000072000001020102000000001154230344900401E2008071117181300EZPASS TAG# 006 - 00468916 STATUS = VALID TYPE = INTERIOR FPT Program Status = Success 00012550930000001725000000012800104100300300306X200807111727399610815006608010200000000000000000000000000000000010201020102000000000075910013300613E2008071117032500MANUAL
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I need an editing computer and don't have the money to buy a new $1500 or so system. I have a 2.4GHz DP Power Mac G5 (ppc) and want to know if it would be worth buying a new graphics card and more RAM. I'm looking at around a $300 or so upgrade. I am
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I'm currently working on what I thought was a relatively simple movie project in iMovie when after putting only 15 minutes of audio and video together the program is acting extremely sluggish and slow to respond. Most of the raw video used was filme
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No persistent reference could be generated for object 'PAYLOAD'
Hi, I'm using a multimapping inside BPM mapping 2 messages into one message and it fails for some reason but when I try to have a look at the BPM workflow, I cannot see the 'PAYLOAD' in the MESSAGES_IN and MESSAGES_OUT properties of the cont
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How can I get help with an app not working properly?
I just bought a 'learn Gujarati' app and the sound is so low I can hardly hear it even with the sound control on the iPad turned up as high as it would go. I have only had the iPad a few months - present from children, and I LOVE it and want to make