Color management help - exporting JPEG

The attached image was shot in RAW (Nikon D70 NEF) and imported to Lightroom 1.3.1 for some contrast and toning tweaks. The image on the right is shown as LR displays it. When I export it as a JPG, however, and open the image in Photoshop or InDesign the image (as shown on the left) is much more red. I'm using sRGB as the exported colorspace and the same as the working space in PS and ID. I've also tried exporting using AdobeRGB and ProPhoto RGB with similar results. What's going on? I'm using a MacBook Pro with OS 10.4.11.

What are you using to calibrate your monitor? And how are you calibrating? Does the jpeg look wrong in preview.app (a color managed app that cannot be wrongly configured, contrary to Photoshop) too? We have seen some cases here of certain calibration devices creating bad monitor profiles. Sometimes it helps to simply select the default color profile (Color LCD on most Macs) to see if the difference disappears or to try another calibrator. Make sure your calibration software only creates a single rendering intent. Differences between Photoshop and Lightroom are usually caused by the calibration software creating a perceptual intent next to a relative rendering intent. Lightroom uses perceptual if available, while Photoshop uses relative. You can check whether this is your problem by softproofing in Photoshop to the monitor profile. Do not check preserve RGB numbers and select perceptual as the intent. If it looks the same as Lightroom, this is your problem.

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Color management help needed for adobe CS5 and Epson printer 1400-Prints coming out too dark with re

Color management help needed for adobe CS5 and Epson printer 1400-Prints coming out too dark with reddish cast and loss of detail
System: Windows 7
Adobe CS5
Printer: Epson Stylus Photo 1400
Paper: Inkjet matte presentation paper with slight luster
Installed latest patch for Adobe CS5
Epson driver up to date
After reading solutions online and trying them for my settings for 2 days I am still unable to print what I am seeing on my screen in Adobe CS5. I calibrated my monitor, but am not sure once calibration is saved if I somehow use this setting in Photoshop’s color management.
The files I am printing are photographs of dogs with lots of detail I digitally painted with my Wacom tablet in Photoshop CS5 and then printed with Epson Stylus 1400 on inkjet paper 20lb with slight luster.
My Printed images lose a lot of the detail & come out way to dark with a reddish cast and loss of detail when I used these settings in the printing window:
Color Handling: Photoshop manages color, Color management -ICM, OFF no color adjustment.
When I change to these settings in printer window: Color Handling: Printer manages color. Color management- Color Controls, 1.8 Gamma and choose Epson Standard it prints lighter, but with reddish cast and very little detail and this is the best setting I have used so far.
Based on what I have read on line, I think the issue is mainly to do with what controls are set in the Photoshop Color Settings window and the Epson Printer preferences. I have screen images attached of these windows and would appreciate knowing what you recommend I enter for each choice.
Also I am confused as to what ICM color management system to use with this printer and CS5:
What is the best ICM to use with PS CS5 & the Epson 1400 printer? Should I use the same ICM for both?
Do I embed the ICM I choose into the new files I create?
Do I view all files in the CS5 workspace in this default ICM?
Do I set my monitor setting to the same ICM?
If new file opens in CS5 workspace and it has a different embedded profile than my workspace, do I convert it?
Do I set my printer, Monitor and PS CS5 color settings to the same ICM?
Is using the same ICM for all devices what is called a consistent workflow?
I appreciate any and all advice that can be sent my way on this complicated issue. Thank you in advance for your time and kind help.

It may be possible to figure out by watching a Dr.Brown video on the subject of color printing. Adobe tv
I hope this may help...............

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You need to have your monitor fairly dim (80-130 lumens or so) to reproduce color. I thought eyeone actually calibrates brightness but I could be wrong. Most people have their monitors set far too bright. Next, you need to look at your pictures using a good fairly bright lamp with much higher color temperature than most desk lamps. If you are getting dull prints (as opposed to just dark) the likely culprit is the wrong colorspace or bad calibration. Some calibrators simply turn out to be broken. Do the pictures look dull too after export in another managed app such as Photoshop, preview, etc? Lastly, you have to realize that it is simply not possible to reproduce every color you can see on a good screen on paper. This can lead to lower saturation. This is the reason why soft proofing is important, which unfortunately is not yet possible in Lightroom.

Desperately Seeking Color Management Help: iMac G5

I need some input concerning color management.
I need to find a way to match the output from
a Fuji Frontier 390 printer to the display
on my iMac G5 so that "what I see is what I get".
I use a Canon EOS 1D Mark II to capture, and I make
minimal corrections to levels or contrast in
Adobe Photoshop Elements 2.0, and I find that some
prints look muddy or oversaturated coming out of the
Frontier, even though they look fine on the iMac's display.
I understand the basic concept of color management and I know that I "should" be able to get the display dialed in to match the printer using Color Sync or some other utility, but I need help with the specifics.
A FujiFilm technician explained to me that I could download a printer profile for the 390 from Fuji's website and use that with my image editor but it seems that I am unable to do that while using the "blue collar" Photoshop Elements package. I think that I would have to upgrade to the full Photoshop package (though I'm not totally certain) and I'm really not too interested in doing that.
Could I get some pointers from any of you color gurus out there? Any info will definitely be appreciated!
Thanks, Alan

I didn't mention that I am also a photofinisher and
I am the one doing the printing on the Frontier,
so I know the chemistry and the paper are all
"up to snuff". I also have seen the info on
drycreekphoto.com and they say that I cannot
do what I am wanting to do with my Photoshop Elements
because that program isn't robust enough for it.
The Frontier generates an "upkeep" print with each paper- or emulsion-change; I was wondering if I could employ one of those prints to set a benchmark for my iMac monitor, or if I would go about it some other way. I'm hoping to get some nuts-and-bolts suggestions from someone who has already dialed their iMac in to match a Frontier; I figure there must be a few out there!
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Alan

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Hello! As you can probably see, I have a problem with color management! How can I eliminate this PNG conversion? The green is bright and I practically lose his leg there. The shadows are just a lot darker then they're supposed to be. I've realized that I've always had this problem but its never been THIS noticable. Can someone please help me with the settings?
PS (the screenshot is not as sharp as it is in photoshop. It looks way better in PS CS5, but the color difference is apparent)
--Rebecca

Your document profile says U.S. Web Coated (SWAP) v2 which should be used when you print to offset press, and you are printing to HP Photosmart B209a printer. Next to Document Profile it should show the profile of your printer. You assign the color space of your printer to your document in Illustrator by choosing Edit > Assign Profile and choosing the color profile of your printer which should come with the printer and installed with your printer software. You also have to know what color mode (CMYK or RGB) your printer can use. Alternatively, if you create documents for this printer most of the time, in the Color Settings for the Working Spaces, select the color profile of your printer and then every new document will be in the color space of your printer by default.
You don't have to do all this if you as John suggested in the print dialog, choose Let printer determine colors. This however will limit the creation of your colors in the U.S. Web Coated (SWAP) v2 color space while your printer may have wider color space so if you don't want to work directly in the color space of your printer, using wider color space like Adobe RGB is a good suggestion.

Color Blind - Color Management help

Hello all.. I was wondering if there was some utility out there that can tell me how to best match colors for design of sites? I am partially color blind and matching colors isn't possible for me. Is there a tool i can use that I specify 1 color, then it tells me all the colors that i can use to match to it properly?
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Hi Dog Lover!
Have you had any luck finding information since your original posting?
There are resources on the internet that offer those with normal color vision a glimpse at what colors a color deficient observer might perceive, but I haven't heard of any tools for doing the reverse...
The actual in-the-brain process of color sensation isn't fully understood yet, so anything that simulates what someone with color deficiency might see is an educated guess at best.
Check out www.colorhelper.com. There's a software product called the eyePilot that allows you to distinguish a single color apart from any others on a web page or other sources of visual media. I don't know how accurate it is, and I haven't tried it myself, but there's a trial version available so perhaps it could be useful.
Your best bet would be to have someone you know with normal color vision check your web pages and give you feedback on what colors work well together. You can also check color coordinate values (RGB, Lab, etc.) on images in Photoshop by using the eyedropper tool and the "INFO" information window.
Hope this helps!

Help - Color Management Confusion!

I'm hoping someone can give me some clear guidance as to how to configure my software to integrate color management so that what I see on my monitor is comparable to what I print or post on the web. I've read all I can find on-line and looked through a number of books and magazines, but as my reading increases, so does my confusion - too many menus, options, links and connections. I'll describe what I have in terms of hardware and software in as much detail as possible. My hope is that someone can help me figure out how to coordinate color management across all platforms and outputs.
I run an HP desktop with an ASUS IPD monitor. I have ColorMunki and have reguarly conducted their diagnostic, which gives me an updated monitor profile every two weeks - when a new profile is created, it becomes my default under Windows 7 Control Panel Color Management. I print with an Epson Stylus Photo R1900 with Epson paper and ink. I use the printer and paper profiles supplied by Epson for the R1900 and specific papers.
On the other end, I have Nikon photo equipment. I set the color space on my cameras to ProPhoto and I shoot exclusively in Nikon raw format - .NEF. I shoot a D90 and a D7000 with 12M and 16M files respectively. I download directly from the SD card using Windows Explorer and then import into Lightroom 3.
I have Lightroom 3 and Photoshop CS5 Extended. I use Lightroom to import raw files into the catalog and to do basic editing. From there, I publish to Smugmug as .TIFF files - directly from Lightroom. I also export files from Lightroom to Photoshop CS5 Extended and save them as .PSD and .JPEG files. The files that I export to Smugmug look pretty good - similar to what I see on my screen. My real conundrum is with the Epson printer and Lightroom/Photoshop. What I see on my monitor is very different from what prints. From both platforms. As a rule, the shots are too dark and the colors are often very muted. This is especially true with images of people and skin tones. They often come out looking pale gray or blue.
Right now, my solution is to tweak and print until I get something close enough to print, while the image on my monitor looks horrible. Needless to say, this is not a viable solution for the long term - it is too expensive and time consuming. I've tried to read and then adjust adjust both programs, but I'm confused as to what to set where. I've taken to explorting Lightroom files into Photoshop to use the soft-proof capability. it works better but still not great and not consistent. When I do the Photoshop soft-proof, I see signficant portions of most images as "out of gamut>" I also notice that these areas are often the ones with odd colors.
My problem, (well, one of them) is the multitude of menus that have color management inputs - how do I make sure they are all working together and reinforcing each other instead of working at cross purposes? In Lightroom, I have Page Setup and Print Preferences, as well as Color Management options in the Print Module right hand panel. In Photoshop, I have Print and Page setups, as well as Color Management menus. There are also the Proof menus to consider.
In Photoshop, softproofing, I think I ned to select teh printer profile so that Photoshop is showing me how the printer will interpret the color space. I also think I need to be consistent in how I define the workspace - from Nikon to Lightroom to Photoshop to Epson. If I use ProPhoto with my camera do I need to use that in every circumstance? Should I switch to Adobe RGB? I have printer setting color space turned off in both LR and PS.
Can someone walk me through any or all of this? Right now, all of these moving parts is making me dizzy. It's said that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. This proves the point. Three months ago, I had color management problems but had no idea what such a thing was. Now, I know a lot more about it, but my results are no better - worse in some respects. Anyone who can help will earn major Karma points and hae my undying gratitude for several months. Sorry - that's all the compensation I can offer!
Thanks in advance for any help.

Lundberg02 wrote:
is that the hand of God in the picture?
That was a nearly mature tornado forming in Nebraska, and it dissipated at the last moment because at that time the sun went down and the temperature dropped rapidly. I was glad, because I was camping in a travel trailer at the time, and everyone knows trailers attract tornados.
Lundberg02 wrote:
Please explain why and under what circumstances anyone would want to use a device independent profile as a monitor profile, which should be a device dependent profile.
Here's one example, to answer your specific question:
You have a monitor that provides sRGB performance (e.g., via a specific sRGB setting). You judge (and/or ensure via your own calibration) that it provides satisfactory sRGB color accuracy for your needs, so you set the monitor profile to sRGB, which is accurate in this case.
What does this do for you?
Images displayed in Internet Explorer, which assumes your monitor is sRGB regardless of your profile, are now properly color-managed because you have made IE's assumption valid. By the way, Microsoft does not appear to be going to change this behavior any time soon.
Untagged images, considering a majority of untagged images assume sRGB encoding, are displayed properly by apps that just pass them through to the display. Some browsers do this.
sRGB images (the majority) are displayed properly by non-color-managed apps. If you choose to set your preferred working space to sRGB, then your own processed images will display properly using your non-color-managed apps. Such apps include various viewers, the thumbnails in Windows Explorer, etc.
The sRGB IEC61966-2.1 profile is a clean, well-formed color profile and works well in virtually every color-managed application. It's the Windows default, so you can imagine most apps are very well tested with it.
Screen grabs are already in the sRGB color space, so if your working space is sRGB then you gain simplicity and don't have gotchas when mixing screen grabs back into your workflow.
Since the color-gamut is not wide, the distance between adjacent colors in a 24 bit color environment is smaller - the display of gradients looks smoother, and you might not crave 30 bit color quite so much.
There are other subtle advantages as well, simply because so much of software development throughout history has assumed the representation of color images on computers is sRGB. It's akin to "going with the flow".
In short, setting up a soup-to-nuts sRGB system means more images match more often across more applications with a system set up this way. If I'm not mistaken, that's about what the original poster is asking about, which is why RikRamsay's response is not unreasonable.
And there are, of course, some specific disadvantages to doing this.
For one thing, one does not have the direct ability to work with a wider gamut of colors. There are those who wish to work in wider gamut color spaces, have wide gamut monitors, and wide gamut printers. Brighter, better managed colors may well help such a person set his/her work off from the crowd. This is starting to become more and more important in this day and age of better and better wide gamut hardware.
It's not straightforward to set up a system so that its sRGB response is accurate, though it is doable. Can you trust the factory sRGB calibration of a monitor that advertises sRGB response characteristics?
-Noel

Color management isn't helping me

Hi there, someone please help me out?
I'm designing in illustrator CS3 on Windows 7 64-bit. I'm having difficulty syncing color with my network printing, a Sharp MX-5500N. No matter how I tweak the color management settings in the print dialogue, I always seem to get the same result. The only way I can get satisfactory results is if I change apply the color profile of the printer to the document I am working in and then completely redo the colors of my artwork. But no matter what, when I try to export the artwork to PNG and place it in a Microsoft Word or Publisher File, it prints completely bogus, purple is way too blue. Should windows color management prevent this? What am I doing wrong?
Thanks
Dalton

Hi Emil, sorry I disappeared, I've kind of had to put this on the backburner, but now I have process pantone swatches to compare to and know a little better what I'm doing.
Here is where I am at:
I used the Adobe bridge to find the closest CMYK values to my Pantone colour. On my screen, they look completely wrong compared to my swatch, which is most likely my display's fault. (I can't seem to get it calibrated; this has obviously been part of my problem) Anyways, these values print completely wrong. So I tried using ai’s conversion tools both how you described and just in the print dialogue. The result is slightly better, but still awful. I see that the profile conversion does work quite similar to the conversion in the print dialogue. It is converting the colours, but not properly. Also, I tried that cool web program, but it was unable to read my printers icm file.
My conclusion is that for whatever reason the colour conversion isn’t working with this printer. So I went ahead and painstaking found out what CMYK values print closest to our pantone from this printer, something the conversion should be doing for me. I found a value I like, so as long as I print from illustrator and preserve CMYK values I am happy. It doesn’t matter whether I pick SWOP or the printer’s icm in the dialogue under “printer’s colour profile” I get the same result. I believe this is because, since everything I am printing is illustrator shapes, no colour management takes place. (Don’t feel bad telling me I am wrong if I am)
BUT
How can I get these same results once I export the PNG?
I appreciate your PDF suggestion Emil, but no one else where I work will be able to do that. They need to be able to drag the PNG into a document, click print, and get the right results. So I need find out what I need to set the colours to in illustrator to export them and get PNGs that print.
So I sort of did what you suggested Emil, I converted them to the printer profile and then exported them. The results were better but still not great.
However, I am able to export JPEGs and TIFFs no problem, whether or not I embed the profile. They print fine. However, I need transparency. Metafiles, whatever that is, has the same problems as PNG.
Thanks for all your help Emil, I guess my new and final question for you, or anyone, is: How can I export to a file that supports transparency with reliable colours?

Exporting h.264 and color managment

I'm wondering what everyone that owns the production suite does with color management.
If you open Adobe Bridge....what are you color management settings? The reason I'm asking is that I've got two 2408WFP monitors and I'm using CS3. Everything looks great in Premiere CS3, but when export to h.264 I get horrible contrast results. It really looks over exposed. I've checked my Adobe Media Encoder settings and I'm exporting at 100% with 20,000kbps and it still looks like garbage.
When I play the same footage on a iMac....it looks under exposed to the point I can barely see it.
If this is a monitor calibration issue, how do you recommend I calibrate? What do you use and what are your settings? Also, does anyone else here use a 2408WFP monitor?
Much thanks!

It has to do with default Gamma settings. Mac are 1.8,(until Snow Leopard, which is now 2.2) PC is 2.2
PC's look a little brighter, more washed out compared to MAC. You should get a monitor calibration image from the net, and adjust your monitor.
Here is a link that might help...
http://www.gballard.net/photoshop/osx_22_gamma.html

Color management issues with Flash CS3, please help?

Hello everyone.
I am having issues with color from a Jpeg image produced in Photoshop CS4
after importing onto the stage in Flash CS3. The color in Flash changes the image to a lighter less saturated state. Yuk.
Here is a link to a screen capture to show you what's happening (for a bigger view):
http://www.rudytorres.com/color/weirdcolor.png
As you can see the front image is the Photoshop image showing the sRGB color profile embedded but Flash (behind) changes that color.
This client is quite picky and she will notice this difference.
If any one can help, please.
- Rudy
P.S. It's a button somewhere, Right?

Dougfly,
Only an hour wasted? Lucky you. Color is an incredibly complex subject. First, forget matching anything to the small LCD on the back of your camera. That's there as a basic guide and is affected by the internal jpg algorithm of your camera.
2nd, you're not really takeing a color photo with your digital camera, but three separate B&W images in a mosaic pattern, exposed thru separate red, green and blue filters. Actual color doesn't happen until that matrix is demosaiced in either your raw converter, or the in-camera processor (which relies heavily on camera settings, saturation, contrast, mode, etc.)
Having said the above, you can still get very good, predictable results in your workflow. I have a few color management articles on my website that you might find very helpful. Check out the Introduction to Color Management and Monitor and Printer Profiling. In my opinion, a monitor calibration device is the minimum entry fee if you want decent color.
http://www.dinagraphics.com/color_management.php
Lou

Help - color management issue, sunburns! (with a calibrated monitor)!

I love Lightroom and its workflow, its unlike anything of its kind. However, lately (since I first started using it) I've seen a problem related to color management on my computer (I believe) and hope someone out there can shed some light.
After importing JPG pictures into Lightroom and making modifications to them, I am getting *completely* different results once I export them (as sRGB, as I'll be sharing them via web). All of the pictures are coming much more saturated (for a lack of a better description).
Here is what I am getting (see brief descriptions below each pic): http://www.bachmannphoto.com/test/couple.html
I'd be very curious as to how they are showing up on your (calibrated/uncalibrated) screen(s), but the 1st and 3rd pics are showing up as 'realistic' on my PC, while the middle (exported from Lightroom) is showing up as too much saturation and even reddish push, as though the couple got hit with sunburns.
Another example of this result here: http://www.bachmannphoto.com/test/dog_chair.html. Though in this case, the picture in the middle actually looks better, it doesn't change the fact that I am getting very different output than what I see in Lightroom (or in photoshop without the embedded profile).
I am thinking this is a problem with color management settings on my PC. First guess would have been "monitor calibration"... but as mentioned in the title, I calibrated my monitors (I have two Dell 1905FPs... not great for accurate color representation, but they do the job) repeatedly, using Spyder2 Pro.
What pushes me to think this is the following (represented here http://www.bachmannphoto.com/test/couple_original.html ):
Before making any modifications to the imported sRGB picture - in other words, importing the picture straight from the camera memory card into Lightroom and then exporting it back (again, without making any modifications to it) - the pictures, both the original and the exported which still look the same and are kept sRGB, look completely different in Lightroom then if I was viewing them in a non-color managed software on my PC, such as the default windows picture viewer.
If my LCD panels are properly calibrated, should I not be more or less seeing the same image colors, whether I'm viewing them through windows, or through Lightroom (or Photoshop along with the embedded sRGB profile)? What gives??
Jesse
PS. I *more* than appreciate anyone taking time to respond to this post. I've been up for nights now trying to understand/fix this.
If it's any help, I have the different version (but original and exported) files here:
original file:
http://www.bachmannphoto.com/test/couple_original.JPG
Original file, imported into Lightroom and then exported back out w/o any modifications (sRGB): http://www.bachmannphoto.com/test/couple_lightroom-nomidification_exported_srgb.jpg
Original file, imported into Lightroom, MODIFIED and then exported back out (sRGB):
http://www.bachmannphoto.com/test/couple_lightroom-modified_exported_srgb.jpg

Exiftool reports the original contains the following EXIF tags:
Interoperability Index : R98 - DCF basic file (sRGB)
Interoperability Version : 0100
The nomidification_exported version does not have those lines, but contains the actual sRGB profile:
Profile CMM Type : Lino
Profile Version : 2.1.0
Profile Class : Display Device Profile
Color Space Data : RGB
Profile Connection Space : XYZ
Profile Date Time : 1998:02:09 06:49:00
Profile File Signature : acsp
Primary Platform : Microsoft Corporation
CMM Flags : Not Embedded, Independent
Device Manufacturer : IEC
Device Model : sRGB
Device Attributes : Reflective, Glossy, Positive, Color
Rendering Intent : Perceptual
Connection Space Illuminant : 0.9642 1 0.82491
Profile Creator : HP
Profile ID : 0
Profile Copyright : Copyright (c) 1998 Hewlett-Packard Company
Profile Description : sRGB IEC61966-2.1
Media White Point : 0.95045 1 1.08905
Media Black Point : 0 0 0
Red Matrix Column : 0.43607 0.22249 0.01392
Green Matrix Column : 0.38515 0.71687 0.09708
Blue Matrix Column : 0.14307 0.06061 0.7141
Device Mfg Desc : IEC http://www.iec.ch
Device Model Desc : IEC 61966-2.1 Default RGB colour space - sRGB
Viewing Cond Desc : Reference Viewing Condition in IEC61966-2.1
Viewing Cond Illuminant : 19.6445 20.3718 16.8089
Viewing Cond Surround : 3.92889 4.07439 3.36179
Viewing Cond Illuminant Type : D50
Luminance : 76.03647 80 87.12462
Measurement Observer : CIE 1931
Measurement Backing : 0 0 0
Measurement Geometry : Unknown (0)
Measurement Flare : 0.999 %
Measurement Illuminant : D65
Technology : Cathode Ray Tube Display
Red Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 2060 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Green Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 2060 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Blue Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 2060 bytes, use -b option to extract)
The modified_exported version likewise does not have the interoperability index tag but contains the actual sRGB profile:
Profile CMM Type : Lino
Profile Version : 2.1.0
Profile Class : Display Device Profile
Color Space Data : RGB
Profile Connection Space : XYZ
Profile Date Time : 1998:02:09 06:49:00
Profile File Signature : acsp
Primary Platform : Microsoft Corporation
CMM Flags : Not Embedded, Independent
Device Manufacturer : IEC
Device Model : sRGB
Device Attributes : Reflective, Glossy, Positive, Color
Rendering Intent : Perceptual
Connection Space Illuminant : 0.9642 1 0.82491
Profile Creator : HP
Profile ID : 0
Profile Copyright : Copyright (c) 1998 Hewlett-Packard Company
Profile Description : sRGB IEC61966-2.1
Media White Point : 0.95045 1 1.08905
Media Black Point : 0 0 0
Red Matrix Column : 0.43607 0.22249 0.01392
Green Matrix Column : 0.38515 0.71687 0.09708
Blue Matrix Column : 0.14307 0.06061 0.7141
Device Mfg Desc : IEC http://www.iec.ch
Device Model Desc : IEC 61966-2.1 Default RGB colour space - sRGB
Viewing Cond Desc : Reference Viewing Condition in IEC61966-2.1
Viewing Cond Illuminant : 19.6445 20.3718 16.8089
Viewing Cond Surround : 3.92889 4.07439 3.36179
Viewing Cond Illuminant Type : D50
Luminance : 76.03647 80 87.12462
Measurement Observer : CIE 1931
Measurement Backing : 0 0 0
Measurement Geometry : Unknown (0)
Measurement Flare : 0.999 %
Measurement Illuminant : D65
Technology : Cathode Ray Tube Display
Red Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 2060 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Green Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 2060 bytes, use -b option to extract)
Blue Tone Reproduction Curve : (Binary data 2060 bytes, use -b option to extract)

Print to JPEG problem, color management

I tried the print module option "Prin to JPEG File". I have compared the result with Photoshop CS3: the colors appear more muted with LR2 than with PSCS3. The color management parameters are the same in both programs:
Profile: sRGB
Rendering intent: Relative
Have you experienced the same problem?
Thank you.

I got the same problem.
From the tests I've done, the "print to jpeg" function produces a file in the display profile, whatever profile it is tagged.
LR2.4 WinXPSP2, and it has been replicated by another user on LR2.5 with vista64b (link in french). Didn't try with LR3beta yet, but will soon.
1) export a file as sRGB to make a reference, which will be called 'the export'.
2) set it as a full page in the print module, and 'print' as jpeg with the sRGB profile : when opened in PS besides the export, it is quite different, and to restore colors you have to assign the display profile to it (not convert).
3) another 'print as jpeg' of this file with another color space (AdobeRGB eg) is similar to 2 in non-color-managed apps (say IrfanView, that means that RGB numbers are the same) and consequently different in PS : again, you have to assign the display profile to make it look like the export.
My personal conclusion : the print to jpeg exports files with RGB numbers relative to the display profile, tagged with the profile the user asked for.
Can anyone replicate this, on the Mac side maybe?
I'd think it's worth a bug report?

Export Color Management

I'm using Lightroom 1.1 350273 on OSX.
This has probably been addressed before, but my searching is not yielding results.
The object is to export jpgs from Lightroom for use on a website.
It is the old story - exported photos look washed out in Firefox.
Photos look great in color managed browser (Safari).
Is there anything we can do to make photos look correct in both apps?
I have compared photos on various websites and some of them look the same in both Firefox and Safari.
Check this one in both browsers for yourself: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tenoot/536936968/in/pool-cotc/
-Jeff

Agree with Jao, on my MBP LCD, the image looks just about the same in Firefox & Safari.
I have profiled my monitor(s) using i1 colorimeter.
I am willing to bet that the image looks different to you on your Mac because you are using the 'canned' monitor profile that came with your computer/display, which is usually completely wrong. I had the same problem before... the 'canned' profile caused color-managed (CM) applications to over-saturate warm colors so that when I looked at the same image in Firefox (nonCM), the image looked washed out.
After proper calibration, results are more similar between CM & nonCM applications, though LET ME STRESS here that getting the same colors between CM & nonCM apps is NOT the point of color management! But that's a long story that I will spare you of :)
If none of this is making sense, I recently discovered what seems to be an incredible book on truly understanding color management:
'Understanding Color Management' by Abhay Sharma
Hope this helps,
Rishi

JPEG and color management

Hi. Is it impossible to get 100% identical colors (if we leave aside the jpeg compression artefacts) when saving a .jpeg file with Photoshop using the highest quality setting (12) ?

Thanks for helping in this test despite hating JPEGs
Your screenshots proves that there are differences not only along hard edges (i.e. the borders between color patches), but that also whole color patches are affected.
This would mean, that color management isn't working properly with jpeg files. I hope someone with sound color management knowledge can confirm this or otherwise explain the problem.
> When using the Magic Wand (which I confess I don't understand what that is supposed to prove)
I try to explain once again:
1) Download the original source file (png) from the link above
2) open it in Photoshop and assign sRGB profile
3) save it as jpeg with highest quality settings possible (12)
4) open the jpeg file
5) add it as new layer over the png file
6) select "difference" as blending mode in the layers palette
7) now the whole image should appear almost black
7) select the magic wand tool (with abovementioned settings!)
8] click somewhere into the formerly gray area
explanation: you just selected all completely black pixels (0,0,0) i.e. all pixels that are identical in both layers
9) you should see "marching ants" forming rectangular patterns
10) invert the selection (Shift+i)
explanation: the selection now covers all the other pixels, i.e. all pixels which are different between both layers
11) create a new empty layer and select it in the layers palette
11) set the foreground color to white
12) fill the selection with white (alt+backspace on Windows, accordingly on Mac)
13) set the blending modes of all layers back to normal
explanation: you now have the image I posted above, i.e. you see all identical pixels in their respective color and all different pixels in white
The expected results would be white pixels along the borders between color patches, resulting from jpeg compression, but if color management works correctly there must not be entire color patches with the wrong color (i.e. white here)

Need help with color management

I am looking for someone to help me. Please!
I am looking for help with Photoshop/printer not printing correct colors.
I have: Windows 7, Photoshop CS5, Photoshop Elements, HP Pavillion Laptop, new Okidata C530dn color laser printer
Previously I had a Canon Pixma MP620 and a gentleman from another forum gave me the correct settings for printing on photo paper and colors were perfect. I now have a OKIdata C530dn color laser and have started a business printing business cards and greeting cards, etc., and I do advertisements on a freelance basis.
I will be working a lot with cardstock or cover stock 65-110 lbs paper. I have an old OKIdata 2024e at work, and the colors are much better with that printer than my new personal one. I have tried matching the settings of that printer to mine to no avail. I have finally gotten the color close, but not quite. When I print on my Canon injet the colors match and print perfectly.
I have tried every setting variation that I can think of to get the color correct with my new OKIdata. I have to get the colors correct or my new business will go under because I can't match colors for my customers. I am a self taught Photoshoper and a novice so please bear with me.
Using Okidata PCL. Also have PS
Color settings in Photoshop:
North America General Purpose 2
sRGB 2.1
U.S. Web Coated Swop v2
Dot gain 20 %
Dot gain 20 %
Preserve embeded profile
Preserve embeded profile
Preserve embeded profile
engine: Adobe (ACE)
Relative Colormetric
Tried RGB color mode and CMYK color mode, no difference
Printer settings:
Photoshop manages colors
sRGB 2.1 Printer profile
Relative Colormetric
Print setup:
Letter
Multipurpose tray
Weight: printer settings-default (when I used heavy setting for cardstock it printed green instead of the color light blue, so that was a start to the right color)
Job Options:
Hight Quality
Color: No color matching
Printer preferences in Printer properties:
Color management
Device: Display 1 generic PnP monitor AMD M88og with ATI Mobility Radeon HD4200
ICC Profiles: Generic PnP Monitor (default)
Advanced:
Windows Color System Defaults:
everything under this tab is set at System Default
I have gotten the color close, but colors are dull. I have tried an adjustment layer and setting the saturation higher, but that doesn't help. I know my laptop is showing the right colors, (calibrated) because I am still printing to the Canon with cardstock and the colors are perfect using the same settings above.
Tried printing in PSE and it gave me an error that it was not a post script printer. Installed ps driver, still getting errors and it wouldn't print.
I would appreciate any help you could give me before I run out of toner and have to buy the expensive toners, or just slit my wrists j/k LOL
Thanks! JS

You need an ICC profile for your printer. Chromix has an excellent service at http://www2.chromix.com/colorvalet/ which will do this calibration for you. You download some software they provide, then print a test file on the exact same paper you are using for your cards. Then send the output to them and they will calibrate the colors with their equipment and send you the ICC profile file. Once you have it, you'll be able to print accurate colors.
There are other services out there that may cost less, but I do not know how reputable they are. Chromix is a good business I've worked with many times.
If you are trying to run a business and you don't understand color management yet, you may be in for a lot of trouble. Please get the book "Real World Color Management" available at http://www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor/ and it will save you a ton of money and headaches.

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