Comparing and sorting raw (NEF) & JPG in LR

I am interested in importing raw & jpg and then comparing them.
I want to apply different effects on the raw files to see if I can match or better the jpg files as rendered by the camera
(I use Nikon).
Background:
In the past I have used L:R to view my Nikon NEF files side by side with JPG files from the camera and discovered the amazing versatility of the NEF files at fixing problems in image files and I have therefore always preferred working with RAW files.
But recently I read a discussion of NikonView (or maybe it was different editing software by Nikon -NX2?) compared to LR wherein several people agreed that Nikon is better at rendering its own NEF files than ADOBE  and they suggested that this was because Nikon engineers know the exact processes (algorithms?) they used to extract & compute the chip data and therefore can better engineer the right editing environment, while Adobe uses a "best guess".  I have no idea whether this is true but it seemed plausible.
Now I don't own the latest Nikon Software but I wanted to see if I could compare "good" JPGs out of the camera with the image Raw data in LR.
(Without having to buy the softwareor even open a free trial version)
The first thing I did was import NEF files and JPG files as separate imports into the same catalog, by changing my import settings.
It was easy to notice the difference on my screen. (How that translates to print, I dunno.)
What surprized me was that the JPGs out of the camera immediately looked better than the "Unproessed" NEF files.
(When properly captured.)  I don't expect them to be as easy to enhance as the raw files though.
But could I get the Raw file to resemble the JPGS?
I attempted to set the NEF files to my preferred camera profiles, ( was using portrait setting in camera)
Even upon eidting my first RAW file I noticed that if I wanted to match the JPGs, I would have to use other adjustments such as contrast, recovery etc.
I intended to do quick mass-adjustments to the RAW files to see if I could match or beat the JPGs for overall image quality
I wanted to use Synch to copy those setting to each NEF file.so I set out to sort out the NEF files and JPG files into different groupings and soon discovered I don't know how to do this:  
IS THERE A QUICK WAY TO SORT / GROUP FILE TYPES IN LR?
Can I select just the RAW file or just the JPG files?
I know I can sort files by metadata,  but can't figure out how to sort by extension.
I realize I can do a workaround by removing the entire folder from the catoalgue and sorting them using windows explorer(XP) and then reimporting them separately.
But I think there should be an easy way to sort them right in LR.  But I fear there  is not.  Am I right?
Once I sort them I would be able to mass-apply settings (like contrast adjustments) to one set or another and do some side - by - side comparisons between the RAW files and the JPGs and get the most out of my photos.

To select by file type, go to the metadata panel in the Library filter (if this isn't showing check
Show filter bar in the view menu). Then click on any of the meta data panels and select file type. Select the file type you want to see.

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    "The shooting data I referenced is available in Nikon View Browser when viewing your images. Looking at all the images at once, it is easy to compare changes made to the camera by quickly clicking on the separate thumbnails. They displayed the differences I had mentioned before. If you do not already have the software, you can download it here:
    Title: Nikon View 6.2.7 Full Version - Windows
    URL: http://support.nikontech.com/cgi-bin/nikonusa.cfg/php/enduser/stdadp.php?p_faqid=13760&pcreated=1131989543
    Nikon Capture will not report a temperature value for White Balance, unless a manual Kelvin setting is selected using the option in the D200. As I mentioned before, Auto White Balance, and other Auto settings in the camera may not deliver a consistent result in a burst or as separate still frames even if the subject has not moved or changed. You have a cast on that one image using Auto White Balance. This is not uncommon, just choose a different value. The value may not even accurately reflect what situation you are in. It may be sunny, and you choose cloudy. The White Balance is not measuring the ambient light, it's used to measure the temperature of the light reflecting off your subject. The closer your subject is to white, the closer the value. This is why a preset is taken with a white or neutral gray card.
    Since Auto White Balance covers a wide range of temperature, the exact value is not recorded anywhere that I know of. In addition, all White Balance temperatures are approximate values, as per the manual page 35. Having a cast on an image while using Auto White Balance is very possible, just choose another value more suited to the ambient light.
    Set the White Balance to K , and capture an image, and this will be reported by the shooting data in Nikon Capture. I have no idea whether ACR is reporting an accurate value or not, we do not support that software, but check this value against what you see in there software."
    Regards,
    Steven

  • Should I shoot RAW or JPG and what ratio should I pick when shooting stills?

    I want to take artistic pictures. Does that mean I should shoot RAW and then deal with the settings in Photoshop? I realize I can't for the corporate photo contest because I am not allowed to Photoshop anything for the contest. And pictures at a party that I intend to share or immediately upload, I understand why I would not shoot RAW.
    Are there other reasons not to do so?
    Many of you know me. I have been shooting video for a while and I am just now starting to shoot stills. These are tough questions for me.
    I always assumed I would shoot stills using the maximum frame size possible. However, I have other choices.
    When the aspect ratio setting is [4:3]
    4608x3456 pixels, 3264x2448 pixels, 2336x1752 pixels
    When the aspect ratio setting is [3:2]
    4608x3072 pixels, 3264x2176 pixels, 2336x1560 pixels
    When the aspect ratio setting is [16:9]
    4608x2592 pixels, 3264x1840 pixels, 1920x1080 pixels
    When the aspect ratio setting is [1:1 ]
    3456x3456 pixels, 2448x2448 pixels, 1744x1744 pixels
    Now, to be honest, I can't think of a reason to shoot stills at any size other than the 4:3 based 4608x3456 except to save room on the memory card. But I figured I should probably ask just in case I am missing something. Storage is not an issue as far as I can tell at this time. I bought two 64GB cards and I will be able to use part of my 16GB Smartphone memory card for additional storage should the need arise. Most likely I will have plenty of room until I can copy over to my laptop and then on to an external drive.
    For reference: http://www.herviewphotography.com/2012/06/18/raw-vs-jpg-file-formats.html

    Steven,
    You are correct, that you should not shoot the Holiday Party pics in RAW, as they will only be used to blackmail your boss, and co-workers, so JPEG would be adequate for that (unless you really need to do Photoshop work, to make the images more "compromising... ").
    Now, shooting in Camera RAW has several advantages, and really only two disadvantages, that I can think of.
    Camera RAW captures everything that the sensor can, but it is in unprocessed form (one of the disadvantages), and then Photoshop with the ACR (Adobe Camera RAW) can "process" your images. I do this, when I have real use for the Images. I have developed a Preset for my Nikon Camera RAW, for each camera, so it's fairly easy to batch process. I always Save_As PSD, since I will very likely do additional work (not useful for the company competition, but CAN be useful for those black-mail pictures, if you have much "work" to do).
    I Save my NEF's (Nikon Camera RAW) Images, and then, in a separate folder, my processed PSD's. Those are sort of like duplicate transparencies, but with slightly different data in each. From the first, the NEF's, I could always run them through ACR again, should something happen to my PSD's. The reverse is not true, but at least I would have my PSD's.
    For use in Video, I will almost always Open my PSD's, and Scale them, plus possibly do other Image-editing, per my needs. As I shoot at max. resolution (~ 4000 x 3000), I will be Scaling, and then likely Cropping (as most Projects now, are 16:9). If you do any 4:3 Projects, then you are already there, save for the Square Pixel vs Rectangular Pixel issue, but if you Scale the 4:3 material to 640 x 480 Square, it should look just fine in a 4:3 PAR=0.9 Project's Frame.
    In camera, I always try to mentally compose the Images into 16:9 horizontal, if I see the potential for Video use. It's like keeping 11 x 17 in the back of my mind, when shooting for potential double-truck magazine use. [Back in film days, I made several Nikon screens, to fit various common uses.]
    Though PrPro CS 6 (as of CS 5), with full CUDA/MPE support, can do a great job of Scaling, I still use my PS Actions to batch process entire folders, and usually on Bicubic Sharper, though for some subjects, I choose Bicubic Smoother. This means that I am not "pushing around" a bunch of unused pixels. I Crop each Image, and then Scale it, with the Action, to match the Frame Size of the Project.
    Now, back to RAW. That allows you the full capture from the sensor, so you have everything to work with. I shoot in 16-bit, for as much data, as I can get. One step in the process, but usually well after the ARC processing, and Saving_As PSD, will be the conversion to 8-bit Mode, but only after ALL of my processing, as PrPro cannot use 16-bit Bit-Depth, for Video.
    For just general shooting (usually "happy-snaps"), with no inteneded high-rez printing, or Video use, I will shoot JPEG, at the highest quality setting (lowest compression), and be done with it.
    One disatvantage of Camera RAW is the write time to the card, but with newer cameras, and faster cards, that is less of a problem, than it once was. Still, even high-rez JPEG's, though they do require in-camera processing to JPEG, will allow one to shoot more quickly. [That can be very important with those Holiday Party pics, as who knows what will happen in the next nanosecond?]
    To me, Camera RAW is sort of like standing in front of a photograph, with my entire set of cameras. I ask, "Is this really a great shot?" If so, out comes the 4 x 5. If the answer is "maybe," then I grab a Hassleblad. If the answer is "no, but it IS interesting," then the 35mm is my choice. Sort of the same thing, but instead of cameras, it's RAW vs High-rez JPEG.
    Just some thoughts.
    Hunt
    [Edit] PS - what the linked article said.

  • Comparing RAW vs. jpg in Aperture When Shooting RAW + jpg

    I just started shooting RAW + jpg with a brand new camera. I imported these photos into Aperture. The photos all have jpg as the master with the associated Badge indicating there is also a RAW version. Changing each Badge, I can toggle between the jpg and the RAW versions.
    However, I would like to compare both versions (side by side). If I don’t like the jpeg version, I’ll post process using the RAW version. How can I do this in Aperture? Ideally, I would like to have these respective RAW and jpg versions of each photo in a single Stack to facilitate comparison.

    Sven Erik wrote:
    Excellent! However, do you know I can create separate masters after I've already imported?
    You can do this either one at a time or in multiple selection:
    1 - Select image(s) you want to see both JPEG and RAW masters for (let's say you have the JPEG set as master by default).
    2 - Photos menu > Set RAW as Master (this switches JPEG master to RAW master)
    3 - With image(s) still selected: 'Photos menu > New version from master'
    4 - You now have two RAW versions of each image (the original master version and a new version)
    5 - Select all original versions and then: 'Photos menu > Set JPEG as Master'
    6 - You should now have a JPEG master and a RAW version of each image (the same as having a JPEG and RAW master side by side). The only difference is that the RAW will have '-version #' after the image name.
    7 - You can run a batch change via 'Metadata menu > Batch change...' and use the Version Name Format drop-down / Edit function to change the name on the new masters (I sometimes use the 'Master File Name' and remove all other items from the format field, which leaves the same master name and the file extension).
    I use the 'Both (JPEG as Master)' in Tony's screenshot and then just create a RAW version if the JPEG does not meet my needs for some reason.

  • Nikon D90 RAW/NEF color vs. in-camera JPG color

    I'm new to Aperture and also (now) taking more NEF+JPG images.
    I've been satisfied with most of my JPGs in the past but I'm taking more RAW images now and finding that they don't match the JPG color when viewed in Aperture 3. When I use ViewNX to tweak RAW images the "starting point" for color and adjustments is much closer to the matching JPG but when I use Aperture, there are obvious differences between the JPG and Aperture's 'conversion' of the RAW image. The listed White Balance is different when Auto WB is used and the histogram is much different. The RAW image isn't a good starting point from which to begin tweaking to improve upon the JPG.
    I realize that there are efforts by others to "profile" the Nikon cameras but I'm surprised that Aperture is so far off the mark. Both iPhoto and Photoshop Elements seem to do a better job.
    (The latest ACR is installed.)

    I suppose it depends on what in-camera processing you're doing (Normal, Vivid, active D-lighting, etc). What you're seeing on the screen, and in ViewNX is edits applied to the jpeg embedded in the RAW file.
    The RAW will always look different from the jpeg, because the RAW has absolutely no processing done to it. iPhoto should look identical to Aperture as I believe it uses the same RAW processing. PSE/Lightroom/PS all use ACR, and they should all look the same, but will likely look somewhat different from iPhoto and Aperture.
    I generally just keep my D80 on Normal (and it doesn't have active D-lighting, but I can selectively add D-lighting in the edit menu if I choose (I don't)), and I find that a small .05 bump to Contrast, .1 to Definition, .05-.1 to Saturation, and .1 to Vibrance is about exactly what I see on the camera screen. It's a good starting point, and I just created a preset I apply to every image I import (had a very similar preset in Lightroom).
    One thing you could do is set up a tripod, set your camera to RAW+Jpeg, and go through each of the color modes, and active D-light modes. Once you get those into Aperture, you can tweak the RAW to match it's Jpeg, and save that as a preset. Then the next time you're out shooting, when you bring in your RAW images, you can just apply whatever preset (Normal, Softer, Vivid, etc) to them, and you'll have a starting point matching the out of camera Jpegs.
    I'm actually planning on doing just that for my D80, and eventually when I upgrade to a D300 doing the same for it.

  • Combined raw (nef) and jpegs

    By way of introduction, as I am new here, I am a professional photographer in Southampton, England. I shoot just about most things but especially music and other stock, combined with weddings.
    I have shot a job using combined raw and jpegs on one card and now want to separate the raw nef from the jpeg version. Is there any way to do this in my Aperture library?
    Thanks!
    Gerry

    Gerry,
    One way this works when you have captured from the card or camera, is that the JPEG is not really seen as a separate thumbnail, but is available when you right click or control-click on an image and choose New Version from JPEG Master. Once any are visible, they can be sorted on file size.
    One process is nicely described at:
    http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=10504679&#10504679
    Ernie
    Message was edited by: Ernie Stamper

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